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I think that would be a fascinating endeavor, although I doubt I would get hired because I've skated a grand total of two times in my life. I imagine the courses are expensive too...

USFS has a trial judging program, in which you shadow judge a required number of tests and/or local competitions, in order to gain credentials. There are different levels of judges: bronze, silver, gold, and beyond. Anyone, skaters and non-smokers, can enroll in the judges program. It is not uncommon for parents of skaters to do the judges program. Skaters who have achieved a certain competitive level, e.g competed Senior at Nationals, have a fast track up the ranks. Judges are also required to take certain courses and exams in order to move up the ranks. At some rank, judges start getting assignments to local and regional competitions. As they progress, they get higher and higher competition assignments within the US, then when they reach the bar, they get international assignments. The judges you see sitting at ISU competitions must have been judging for decades, probably. Most judges remain just a test judge for life.

I knew about the judge program because I started it way back when I was a new skater. I can attest that it was MUCH HARDER to tell good skating from bad when you've never done it yourself. Probably now with more years of skating and good coaching, I'll probably be better than previously. Unfortunately I didn't continue the program.
 
Hey there , i dont know if there is a thread like that anywhere else in this forum , but after watching todays ladies free skate junior in Saransk and after the previous jgp in Yokohama in Japan i got really REALLY frustrated. We have here a russian sweep in the podium while all the three ladies didnt skate well in the free programm. Of course , Polina had the 10+ points more so it is fair to be first. But Konstatinova 110 ???? REALLY ? with 2 falls and so many other problems ? Or Nugumanova with so many URs ? Yuna deserved to be on the podium , she was almost clean and should have get better PCS.
Yuna had one fall, one step-out,an UR and some travelling spins in the end the program. When she finished she curled on the ice in despair. How was it "almost clean" skate is a mystery to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02irRNwrNJI
 
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I have that person on the rink I'm skating at who has Rus Fed judge accreditation or license or whatever it is, she judges internal competitions only (Russian cup stages, Cup of Moscow, etc). She plans to try to get international ISU accreditation next year, she knows so much about elements and skating in general, I tortured her with questions this whole summer two times a week... Honestly, I've opened my eyes to so many things. so yeah, judges know a lot more than we do.
 
I have that person on the rink I'm skating at who has Rus Fed judge accreditation or license or whatever it is, she judges internal competitions only (Russian cup stages, Cup of Moscow, etc). She plans to try to get international ISU accreditation next year, she knows so much about elements and skating in general, I tortured her with questions this whole summer two times a week... Honestly, I've opened my eyes to so many things. so yeah, judges know a lot more than we do.

Please share her insights! Thanks!
 
I have that person on the rink I'm skating at who has Rus Fed judge accreditation or license or whatever it is, she judges internal competitions only (Russian cup stages, Cup of Moscow, etc). She plans to try to get international ISU accreditation next year, she knows so much about elements and skating in general, I tortured her with questions this whole summer two times a week... Honestly, I've opened my eyes to so many things. so yeah, judges know a lot more than we do.

YEAH , share some with us !! It would be really helpful to understand some things .
 
honestly I didn't think the Russian girls were stolen of a medal in Yokohama and I didn't think Yuna was stolen of a medal in Saransk either...

Not to say that the judging is always right because I don't believe that at all. PCS and GOEs often depend as much of the country of the skater, who is the coach and the skater reputation than what they actually do on the ice.

But really the overall rankings of those two events are no outrage matter imo.
 
when I read such threads more I want that user's nationality indication (if not mentioned by user, location through IP adress should be implemented) would be very helpful in such discussions. Also helpful would be indication of user's sex.

no more anonymous threads by user creators :laugh2:
 
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Chuckm wasn't shocked that a Russian was beaten by three Japanese because an American was beaten by a Korean and German?

Can somebody explain me the logic of this I don't get it.

ok, i try to explain you. So, in this season (like as in previous) your (american) junior girls are out of competition as for now (maybe a real star is still waiting ?) So, because of this frustration, your love (as usually) is passing to japan girls (second would be koreans or canadians) and russian girls are, by contrast, (as usual), the object of your agression (what is politically and historically caused, especially by media in last years). This is very simple psychological case.
(my english is very bad, but I hope, you get what I mean)

P.S. Saransk is of course a revenge for Yokohama :)
 
I've had several discussions one on one with IJS judges and have worked with and attended seminars with people from USFSA which has allowed me to discuss things with these people not unlike we do here although I tend to be more mature :o: They aren't dissimilar from us and probably are amongst us at GS. I can't share specific insight but I find it easy to discuss things with them and for the most part everyone seems to do what they think is in the best interest of the sport. Quite honestly...it's the local stuff that we never discuss that makes the real difference.
 
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I am from Greece. Our only one representative was in this JGP and took only 55 points sum up for both her programms. So i am neither inclined to Russians nor to Japaneses nor to USAs ( I mention only those because those three countries are always the ones that make the serious competition . Of course there are other countries representative skaters that are the exception like Koreans Or China ). So , from my perspectie , i think of myself a fan with an subjective opinion to such issues.

ok, so, put the Greece as your nationality in your account. And let another "anonym" users do the same.
 
I dont think it is about we dont like the final statements , but seeing the protocols and watching the performances someone can easily understand that nugumanova and konstantinova were overscored. Nugumanova had so little choreo , how such high pcs in just her debut where judges are supposed to be conservative ? They are little girls , they cannot just being judged in this way , only for Federation send a message. Hope in the worlds will be fair .

Funny, I thought the judges were supposed to be judging what's on the ice before them, not handing out high PCS due to reputation or being conservative because it's a skater's debut.

That said I'm speaking in the abstract because I haven't watched her or indeed anything from this competition yet.
 
USFS has a trial judging program, in which you shadow judge a required number of tests and/or local competitions, in order to gain credentials. There are different levels of judges: bronze, silver, gold, and beyond. Anyone, skaters and non-smokers, can enroll in the judges program. It is not uncommon for parents of skaters to do the judges program. Skaters who have achieved a certain competitive level, e.g competed Senior at Nationals, have a fast track up the ranks. Judges are also required to take certain courses and exams in order to move up the ranks. At some rank, judges start getting assignments to local and regional competitions. As they progress, they get higher and higher competition assignments within the US, then when they reach the bar, they get international assignments. The judges you see sitting at ISU competitions must have been judging for decades, probably. Most judges remain just a test judge for life.

Thanks for the insight into how judges become judges.
 
ok, i try to explain you. So, in this season (like as in previous) your (american) junior girls are out of competition as for now (maybe a real star is still waiting ?) So, because of this frustration, your love (as usually) is passing to japan girls (second would be koreans or canadians) and russian girls are, by contrast, (as usual), the object of your agression (what is politically and historically caused, especially by media in last years). This is very simple psychological case.
(my english is very bad, but I hope, you get what I mean)

P.S. Saransk is of course a revenge for Yokohama :)

Sorry, but NO. I look at the skaters and how they skate, and I look at the scores and see how they match to the skating. The competition in Japan was very tough, and the top 6 skaters were all very good---but some were better than others, and the best three were on the podium.

I analyzed the judges' marks and concluded that most of the judges agreed on which 3 those were.
One interesting thing: the Russian judge very obviously wanted Fedichkina on the podium, and gave her the highest PCS. But the Russian Judge's second highest PCS did not go to Samodurova, but to Sakamoto. The scores for the other Japanese skaters were much lower than anyone else gave. It is likely that the Russian judges' scores were tossed for being the highest (Fedichkina) and lowest (two of the Japanese skaters).

The judges were split on Samodurova vs. Yamashita, and the decision could have gone either way. It is possible that the Russian judge's low marks being tossed helped Yamashita.
 
ok, i try to explain you. So, in this season (like as in previous) your (american) junior girls are out of competition as for now (maybe a real star is still waiting ?) So, because of this frustration, your love (as usually) is passing to japan girls (second would be koreans or canadians) and russian girls are, by contrast, (as usual), the object of your agression (what is politically and historically caused, especially by media in last years). This is very simple psychological case.
(my english is very bad, but I hope, you get what I mean)

P.S. Saransk is of course a revenge for Yokohama :)

You know, I lost any desire to read anything you had to say at "your (american) junior girls". I'm not American and I don't appreciate generalising. Perhaps you could try to put aside your own bias to gain some perspective instead of creating convoluted theories.


ok, so, put the Greece as your nationality in your account. And let another "anonym" users do the same.

No, nobody should be obligated to give up their privacy so that you can judge them by their nationality. It's up to you, however, to treat everybody's opinions as equal no matter where they come from.
 
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ok, so, put the Greece as your nationality in your account. And let another "anonym" users do the same.

No nationality profiling please!

Nor racial, gender, age, or sexual orientation profiling. Anonymity has its place in fair debates.

eta. National or other biases demonstrated by a poster may be addressed but such should not be automatically assigned to all members of a population segment. It should not be assumed that all members of a same demographic have the same attributes and mentality or are incapable of being fair and neutral.
 
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why not ? Figure skating as other sports (especially based on judging assessment) are political dependent. So, I would like to know to whom I discuss.
As, for sex indication, it also would be useful. I would like to know whether the person who wrote (during Boston WC) that Radionova is ugly with her big head and short neck, is woman (probably) or man (unlikely)
 
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