Who should have won that gold! Top ten robberies

[seniorita]

I like Option 3, as well--but Piseev would've had to wait until after the dance event to do this. Otherwise, the North Americans might have swept the podium. I still can't believe Oksana Grishuk and Maxim Shabalin thought they should've won...

Pasha Grishuk?
I havent read them claiming the gold, have they?

Thank you Olympia , you always make me feel good!!

 

[blue dog]

Pasha Grishuk?
I havent read them claiming the gold, have they?

Thank you Olympia , you always make me feel good!!

Sorry, Oksana Domnina =)

There were interviews after Vancouver where they, felt that there was NA bias, and that they, the world champions, should have won.

 

[Tonichelle]

blue dog gets the Oksana's mixed up all the time. *facepalm*

 

[mikiandorocks]

Really interesting thread. Many thanks to all the posters.

About pointed toes:
The first example that comes to my mind is Patrick Chan.

Controversial results:
It's always difficult to talk about this. Some fans cannot move away from their personal preferences and they give an emotional response. We're all humans and those emotions get in the way of being 110% objective. Off course that I'm no exception. That said, here is a list of some results that puzzled me:

1.º - Worlds 2001 - Pairs
I think Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze could have won gold instead of Salé & Pelletier. I remember B&S having a strong performance in the short program while S&P had a very important mistake: she missed the side by side triple toe loop. Petrova & Tikhonov skated a clean short but weren't rewarded eventually staying in 4th after the sp. So, I feel Salé & Pelletier were lucky to be 3rd after the sp. In the long, Salé & Pelletier also had a mistake: she singled the side by side double axel but it didn't seem to matter. I also feel the judges weren't to pleased with B&S choreography. Maybe they weren't open minded enough to accept a pair fighting for gold without a lp to a romantic/love theme.

2.º - OG 2010
i'm on the quad squad so off course I would prefer Plushenko to win. But besides that I accept Lysacek's victory. He played by the rules of COP and was rewarded for it. If we would be talking about the 6.0 system, then I would say that Plushenko was robbed. But under the COP rules and the way the jumps were scored, I can't argue. It's not Lysacek's fault that the COP didn't reward the quad enough.
I don't agree with the critiscm on Plushenko's choreography in the sp but hey one has to live with different opinions.

3.º - Worlds 2010 - Ladies
Miki Ando vs Laura Lepisto. I'm very puzzled that Lepisto was able to still hold the bronze medal. Yes, Laura is lovely to watch but how many triple jumps did she land in the lp?

 

[blue dog]

3.º - Worlds 2010 - Ladies
Miki Ando vs Laura Lepisto. I'm very puzzled that Lepisto was able to still hold the bronze medal. Yes, Laura is lovely to watch but how many triple jumps did she land in the lp?

I love Laura and her amazing posture, but her jump content for that program would have been beaten by Rosalynn Sumners' 1983 performance.

 

[Skater Boy]

I like Option 3, as well--but Piseev would've had to wait until after the dance event to do this. Otherwise, the North Americans might have swept the podium. I still can't believe Oksana Grishuk and Maxim Shabalin thought they should've won...

I am confused are you talking Gritschuk and Platove fro 1994 and 1998 or Oksana DOmnia and Shabalin????

Truthfully, the winner is in the eye of the beholder - not sure how Lycacek won either imho.

 

[Skater Boy]

Really interesting thread. Many thanks to all the posters.

About pointed toes:
The first example that comes to my mind is Patrick Chan.

Controversial results:
It's always difficult to talk about this. Some fans cannot move away from their personal preferences and they give an emotional response. We're all humans and those emotions get in the way of being 110% objective. Off course that I'm no exception. That said, here is a list of some results that puzzled me:

1.º - Worlds 2001 - Pairs
I think Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze could have won gold instead of Salé & Pelletier. I remember B&S having a strong performance in the short program while S&P had a very important mistake: she missed the side by side triple toe loop. Petrova & Tikhonov skated a clean short but weren't rewarded eventually staying in 4th after the sp. So, I feel Salé & Pelletier were lucky to be 3rd after the sp. In the long, Salé & Pelletier also had a mistake: she singled the side by side double axel but it didn't seem to matter. I also feel the judges weren't to pleased with B&S choreography. Maybe they weren't open minded enough to accept a pair fighting for gold without a lp to a romantic/love theme.

2.º - OG 2010
i'm on the quad squad so off course I would prefer Plushenko to win. But besides that I accept Lysacek's victory. He played by the rules of COP and was rewarded for it. If we would be talking about the 6.0 system, then I would say that Plushenko was robbed. But under the COP rules and the way the jumps were scored, I can't argue. It's not Lysacek's fault that the COP didn't reward the quad enough.
I don't agree with the critiscm on Plushenko's choreography in the sp but hey one has to live with different opinions.

3.º - Worlds 2010 - Ladies
Miki Ando vs Laura Lepisto. I'm very puzzled that Lepisto was able to still hold the bronze medal. Yes, Laura is lovely to watch but how many triple jumps did she land in the lp?

It wasn't just the lack of triples Lepisto has a problem with - it's the lack of difficult triples. Maybe they shouldn't have given out a bronze medal - my goodness Cynthia Phaneuf was like a point and a half away from a medal and many felt deserved it over Lepisto.

 

[Poodlepal]

Did ISU lower the quad jump value after 2002 Olympics because of Goebel? I don't think so. ISU trimmed down the quad value after 2006-07 season because Brian Joubert won every single competition he entered that season and got his first World Championship title. It seemed that he had no competition and unstoppable at that time. This quad value cut down effort has created the infamous quadless champion era from 2008 Worlds to 2010 Olympics.

In a sense, Plushenko was robbed in 2010 Olympics. Before 2010 Olympics, no one has ever finished SP over 90 or even close to 90 without a quad. But it had happened first time ever in 2010 Olympics. So Lysacek was over scored in SP which had given him the overall win on the LP day.

Are you saying that they decide point values partially so that Skater X can't win? So it wasn't Ok for Brian Joubert to be unbeatable because he had the best quad, but it is OK for another skater whose name I won't mention to be unbeatable because of edges and transitions?

They should scrap the points. I used to believe in them, but this is ridiculous. The 6.0 method was ridiculously subjective and favorite playing, but at least it wasn't pretentious. Everybody knew it was subjective and favorite playing, and it never pretended to be anything different.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Are you saying that they decide point values partially so that Skater X can't win? So it wasn't Ok for Brian Joubert to be unbeatable because he had the best quad, but it is OK for another skater whose name I won't mention to be unbeatable because of edges and transitions?

They should scrap the points. I used to believe in them, but this is ridiculous. The 6.0 method was ridiculously subjective and favorite playing, but at least it wasn't pretentious. Everybody knew it was subjective and favorite playing, and it never pretended to be anything different.

They cut the number of Step Sequences in the SP, reduced the value of the LP Step Sequence, twice, and increased the value of quad jumps so the nameless quadless skater with great transitions and edges would not win a Worlds title. Happy? To bad there was no stopping this skater from stepping up to meet the challenge of the new scoring.

 

[deedee1]

1.Double gold medal
2.Platinum medal
3. Piseev hitting Ciquanta with a fry pan on the head

What you prefer?

If I get to choose, I'd vote for option #3. It would please the majority of skating fans.

Yes, yes, I am for option #3, too!!! <- for the same reason as mskater93's, of course.
As always you are so SWEEET, seniorita!

 

[Bluebonnet]

Are you saying that they decide point values partially so that Skater X can't win? So it wasn't Ok for Brian Joubert to be unbeatable because he had the best quad, but it is OK for another skater whose name I won't mention to be unbeatable because of edges and transitions?

How does this have anything to do with Patrick Chan?!

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1.Double gold medal
2.Platinum medal
3. Piseev hitting Ciquanta with a fry pan on the head

What you prefer?

Love the options! Can I choose #1 and #3 both?

 

[Olympia]

No one chose Option 2, the platinum medal? I love that one! I am entranced by the thought of someone standing there with an even more precious metal gleaming from around his/her neck, one-upping the world, unbending in the face of adversity. If there isn't another step on the podium, I envision a platform suspended on cables from the ceiling of the arena.

 

[Blades of Passion]

You have opinion, Tarasova has opinion, Rodnina has opinion, Carrol has opinion, I have opinion etc. I'm just saying before Vancouver, at Vancouver, and after Vancouver were some really interesting events.:yes:

Yes, you all have opinions, but I highly question how much those opinions are influenced by National bias.

 

[Olympia]

I have often had a national bias (Go, Michelle!), but currently (and for the last two Olympic cycles) I have rooted primarily for Asada and Kim as well as Takahashi, so I no longer know what my biases are and am unable to explain my preferences. There is no female or male American singles skater I could imagine supporting above those three competitors. Probably there are other fans like me. But if anyone is entitled to a national bias, it's Russian fans--they have the track record to back it up. (And Japanese fans, of course. And Canadian men's singles and ice dance fans. And...well, you get the point.)

 

[Skater Boy]

I rewatched the short programs and free skates of the top ladies at the 1988 olympics and realized Witt is the luckiest girl in the world. First, even with the skates that we saw it appears Manley should have won the long followed by Ito and then Witt giving gold overall to Manley. But we all know the problem when you are out of the competition and skate early int he 6.0 days but clearly Witt was beaten by both Manley and ito who because of her school figures had a horrible draw. Witt was lucky Thomas, Kadavy and Trenary didn' skate better or skate at all. She could have been beaten buy any of them.

Witt is a true competitor whereas Thomas and Sumners co faves with Witt fell apart. But two OGM's; the girl is lucky even without pointhy toes, big humps - Witt somehow always gets her medal.

 

[plushyfan]

Yes, you all have opinions, but I highly question how much those opinions are influenced by National bias.

Yes, of course. Those opinion influenced by national bias a little bit, and I'm also bias. But P. Candeloro, E. Stojko, Lu Chen, B. Joubert( year later, in an interview), coach of Shen & Zhao, and other Europeans experts and commentators, they had same opinions. National bias? I think the Americans commentators also had national bias. For example Dick Button trashing Plushenko before and after the OG, it was his patriotic duty. But if we watch some old videos, what was saying about Plushenko some years ago,everybody would be surprised.:yes:

 

[plushyfan]

No one chose Option 2, the platinum medal? I love that one! I am entranced by the thought of someone standing there with an even more precious metal gleaming from around his/her neck, one-upping the world, unbending in the face of adversity. If there isn't another step on the podium, I envision a platform suspended on cables from the ceiling of the arena.

I hate the platinum medal. He had many problems with this medal. Plushenko did'nt pass his silver medal as platinum, it was a mistake made by someone from his official site, one of the administrators probably. It wasn't even his idea, he said in an interview "as my wife said today, is actually made of platinum". And his fans liked it, and sent to everywhere. Plu is clueless when it comes to internet, his official sites, Twitter, believe me because I read his offcial forums, I follow him on Twitter, etc.
So I hate that virtual medal, it was perfect weapon for US media against Plush. I remember, Plushy's americans fans were so angry, because of the constant and saturation-level vilification of Plushy in American mainstream media in 2010.

 

[seniorita]

I am entranced by the thought of someone standing there with an even more precious metal gleaming from around his/her neck, one-upping the world, unbending in the face of adversity. If there isn't another step on the podium, I envision a platform suspended on cables from the ceiling of the arena.

Oh Plushenko Batman? You are always so descriptive,my first image that came in mind is this , its not my fault

 

[deedee1]

Say, if every one of figure skating fans are least bias, with a fair manner, level-headed, intelligent in every way, thoughtful to others, rooting for all skaters...on and on..., how many of us could survive such a long boring off season?

While I don't agree with every single opinions of yours (and don't have to necessarily ), I really enjoy reading them. In case any of GS members missing from this board, I would be get bored to death by the time Grand Prix season begins and I may decide to go back to a casual fan of MLB and rugby football (Union, of course).

 

[l'etoile]

Say, if every one of figure skating fans are least bias, with a fair manner, level-headed, intelligent in every way, thoughtful to others, rooting for all skaters...on and on..., how many of us could survive such a long boring off season?

While I don't agree with every single opinions of yours (and don't have to necessarily ), I really enjoy reading them. In case any of GS members missing from this board, I would be get bored to death by the time Grand Prix season begins and I may decide to go back to a casual fan of MLB and rugby football (Union, of course).

Incredibly well put, deedee:agree: