While men's jumps are higher than women's on average - Trusova's 60cm quads have decent height even by men's standart.
60cm is fine, but not among the best. Regardless, she is cheating the jump, making it considerably easier to execute than how it's
supposed to be done. The rotation is less and it visibility looks different, like the jump has been amputated.
Difficulty of elements is not an end in itself in figure skating. Main purpose of elements is to make the skating more beautiful - which not necessarily means more difficult.
I find this strange of you to suddenly argue, considering the kind of skating you seem to support.
What does it have to do with the current discussion of judging quads themselves, and especially how on earth is this supposed to be some kind of argument in favor of Trusova? Her programs are not good. The amount beauty she shows in her skating is WAYYYYYY less than what we saw from top girls of her age in the past.
If you try to compare her skating to Michelle Kwan's "Salome" or "Romanza", then Trusova deserves maybe a 6.0 for PCS, whereas Kwan deserves around 9.5. Kwan is in a whole different universe with her line, posture, choreography, musicality, expression, stroking, blade control; and even her basic jump technique is better.
That level of skating we saw in the past has disappeared. It's been replaced by these forced jumps and meaningless transitions and spin/footwork positions.
The same can be said about 4Lo BV. While this quad jump is the most difficult of them - it's not the most expensive because Lutz is just better-looking.
??? The base values of the jumps are based on average level of difficulty. It varies from skater to skater, different people are more comfortable with different jumps. Which type of jump is better looking really comes down to the viewer's own preference (and how well it's executed). Overall it's fair to say 4Lz is the most difficult on average, if we consider what textbook executions of these jumps are supposed to be like. A textbook Lutz or Flip jump is actually supposed to have more rotation in the air then Loop/Salchow/Toe, which contributes to why they are supposed to be harder on average.
As I mentioned though, these cheated Quads visibly look worse anyway.
You may consider prerotated jump techniques as a way of optimization - instead of deragotary "cheating".
That's like saying a Flutz should be considered as a way of optimizing the Lutz, or that shallow edges should be seen as a way of optimizing the ability to do difficult turns on the ice, or that a corporation falsely advertising their products is a fair way of optimizing revenue. This argument is horrific and wrong to me.
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Is it necessary to compare ladies quad lutz to mens' though?
The jumps are all judged by the same criteria regardless of gender, so....
Kolyada was not able to control his quad lutz (inconsistent).
Yes, because a REAL quad lutz, particularly with his amazing amplitude, is incredibly hard. It's just a completely different thing and not even in the realm of possibility for the Eteri girls. If someone is not able to do something, the correct answer is not to cheat and give equal credit. Are you also in favor of wealthy people using bribes to get their kids into Harvard?
