Yulia Lipnitskaya

[sjid]

It's optimal if she doesn't go anywhere, but stay with eteri. I think this whole discussion on who should be yulia's coach has proved that other coaches are not necessarily better than eteri.

that's for sure. "are not necessarily better" is a polite way of saying worse. it should have been obvious from the start. people love to bark.

 

[starlight97]

i see what i did wrong here. i said i think yulia must have felt offended by something eteri did, but i neglected to add that yulia probably wasn't offended by everything eteri did. its impossible to have a nuanced conversation in an online text board, as people will mischaracterize your words, then criticize you for having said such a thing, which you didn't really say. the "black or white" "with us or against us" logic is too pervasive. for instance, to express an opinion critical of certain qualities of eteri is to "blame her entirely" and is therefore "disgraceful." this is what wars are made of. we'll never learn. i really shouldn't even be typing this. shouldn't we be "gushing?"

anyways here is a russian fs news site which no one ever links...

http://fs66.ru/figurenews.htm

they have good access to russian skaters & have several brief items everyday

You said "I don't think Yulia would do this if Eteri didn't offend Yulia".

So I asked how you feel that Eteri offended Yulia with 'everything that she did for her', meaning to say that Eteri is far from being bad for her.
It is hard to discuss via written text. But I hope you don't imply that people here 'mischaracterize your words' or 'criticize' you by asking a rational question after wondering about your post....?
Then it really does become hard to discuss.

What I mean to say is that we can't put Yulia on an invincible pillar and when sth bad happens it is everybody's fault but hers, that she is always a victim.

Yes Iliya's comments were uncalled for and imo come at a very bad time. Way to kick someone who's already on the ground, especially a little girl that has made 85% of your own succes.
And this is a horrible situation for Yulia in general.

But what's so unthinkable about the possibility that she does have a special work ethnic and is hard to handle? Nothing!
We admire her for her strong mind and unique character, at least that's for me and what I got from many here over the time.
So if Eteri, with all her other pupils and obligations simply cannot provide the specific treatment that Yulia needs anymore, or if Yulia feels that way-
Why does it have to be her "fault". And why does it have to be Yulia's? Can't it just happen?

 

[sjid]

You said "I don't think Yulia would do this if Eteri didn't offend Yulia".

So I asked how you feel that Eteri offended Yulia with 'everything that she did for her', meaning to say that Eteri is far from being bad for her.
It is hard to discuss via written text. But I hope you don't imply that people here 'mischaracterize your words' or 'criticize' you by asking a rational question after wondering about your post....?
Then it really does become hard to discuss.

What I mean to say is that we can't put Yulia on an invincible pillar and when sth bad happens it is everybody's fault but hers, that she is always a victim.

Yes Iliya's comments were uncalled for and imo come at a very bad time. Way to kick someone who's already on the ground, especially a little girl that has made 85% of your own succes.
And this is a horrible situation for Yulia in general.

But what's so unthinkable about the possibility that she does have a special work ethnic and is hard to handle? Nothing!
We admire her for her strong mind and unique character, at least that's for me and what I got from many here over the time.
So if Eteri, with all her other pupils and obligations simply cannot provide the specific treatment that Yulia needs anymore, or if Yulia feels that way-
Why does it have to be her "fault". And why does it have to be Yulia's? Can't it just happen?

Anyone with an artistic temperament is hard to handle. That's why Eteri is important. She respects all dimensions, athlete, personality, family, everything. She is tuned in to Yulia the person, not just the ice princess. I will be astonished if Eteri doesn't stay. The coach issue will be solved if/when they get the right choreographer + music coach. Mat said that is in the works. If so, we should soon be able to put this behind us. I think you characterize Ilya well, but are maybe a little too generous.

 

[uhh]

Yes Iliya's comments were uncalled for and imo come at a very bad time. Way to kick someone who's already on the ground, especially a little girl that has made 85% of your own succes.

Yeah, no one had ever heard of Averbukh, world champion, olympic medallist, respected choreographer, coach, show producer, before he worked with Yulia. Give me strength! His comments are not unkind, he praises her as well but he is just frank about what Yulia needs, and I'm sure none of what he said would be new to her. It's stuff she needs to address whether she stays with Eteri or goes, and I would be very worried, much more than I would be about this coaching gossip, if the people around her couldn't see the weaknesses in her skating and didn't point out the areas she needs to work on.

This is the Vaitsekovskaya article I referred to earlier, for whoever was asking: http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/52572/

 

[Meoima]

From FSU, a Russian poster said RFSF will make an announcement tomorrow.

 

[starlight97]

Yeah, no one had ever heard of Averbukh, world champion, olympic medallist, respected choreographer, coach, show producer, before he worked with Yulia. Give me strength! His comments are not unkind, he praises her as well but he is just frank about what Yulia needs, and I'm sure none of what he said would be new to her. It's stuff she needs to address whether she stays with Eteri or goes, and I would be very worried, much more than I would be about this coaching gossip, if the people around her couldn't see the weaknesses in her skating and didn't point out the areas she needs to work on.

This is the Vaitsekovskaya article I referred to earlier, for whoever was asking: http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/52572/

Who said he was unknown before Yulia and that nobody knew his name? I didn't say she went out on Moscow's cold streets and picked him up from a sidewalk to nuture him to a career.
She is a big success factor for him especially was last year.
And of course these issues are real, yes she has skills others lack but others have skills that she lacks. Or rather needs to work on.
What many here have a problem with is the fact that he chose to tell his opinion now.
He was not asked "Does Yulia have deficiencies in skating? Please characterize them from your point of view"
But he felt like he needed to talk about it after she has a horrible season, is mentally and physically down and is rumored to even change coach.
Ten guns to his head couldn't have made him say these things during her successful olympic season or while she skated in his Ice Shows.

I said we can't put Yulia on a golden pillar, free from all flaws, but things like these comments really make me feel for her.

 

[yay]

http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150113/799293529.html
To put it briefly, Kogan(General Director of the FFKKR/RFSF) denies the rumours about Yulia leaving Eteri.

 

[Alba]

would you tell that to yulia? .

Yes I would.

because yulia is absolutely sticking it to eteri by firing her. remember yulia is eteri's star pupil. i don't think yulia would do this if eteri didn't offend yulia.

How do you know what Yulia is sticking to or thinking? Do you have first hand news, direct contact with her? If not, then that's just your own opinion and pure speculation. Nothing more.

According to Yulia's fan page and my translator.. :yes:...that was Tat's response.

There is a link. http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150112/799145305.html

"I am now in America - Tarasova said on the phone, a negative answer to the question, did it Lipnitskaya asking her to train. - Do not even call me with such gossip."
http://translate.google.com/transla...ure_skating/20150112/799145305.html&sandbox=1

First, when Ilya Averbukh was speaking of Yulia about to leave Eteri (or rather, figure skating) before, he was referring to the 2012-2013 season, which proved to be a difficult one for the skater. Eteri has mentioned it before - so I don't see why people should think Ilya's lying.

I said Ilya is lying about the story of her programs last season. He said Eteri called him and said: Save me, Yulia wants to leave." So I created two programs for her: "You don't give up un love" and SL.
Well, the story of both programs is completely different, according to Yulia, Eteri and Yulia's mom. So yes, someone is lying here.

And he explained why - and explained why it'll be very hard for any coach apart from Eteri to work with Yulia.

Actually he said she needs a coach all for herself, because she needs a huge amount of work. Now following that logic, for sure Eteri is not the right person, with all elite students she has, right?

What many here have a problem with is the fact that he chose to tell his opinion now. He was not asked "Does Yulia have deficiencies in skating? Please characterize them from your point of view". But he felt like he needed to talk about it after she has a horrible season, is mentally and physically down and is rumored to even change coach.
Ten guns to his head couldn't have made him say these things during her successful olympic season or while she skated in his Ice Shows.

100% this. Especially the bold part. :thumbsup:

 

[uhh]

I said Ilya is lying about the story of her programs last season. He said Eteri called him and said: Save me, Yulia wants to leave." So I created two programs for her: "You don't give up un love" and SL.
Well, the story of both programs is completely different, according to Yulia, Eteri and Yulia's mom. So yes, someone is lying here.

He's not saying it was him stepping in to wave a magic wand and come up with the programs completely new, it's that Eteri asked him to come and help with the work that was already in progress becauswe they were having a difficult time.

 

[Alba]

He's not saying it was him stepping in to wave a magic wand and come up with the programs completely new, it's that Eteri asked him to come and help with the work that was already in progress becauswe they were having a difficult time.

I'm sorry but that's not what he said, unless something is wrong with the translation.

"I remember that Eteri called me and said these words: “Julia and I are having difficulties in our relationship, she is getting ready to leave – please help me out with some good programs.” I tried, and it worked (author’s note: refers to the Olympic season programs “You Don’t Give Up on Love” and “Schindler’s List,” which, without exaggeration, won over the whole world). It worked out in great part thanks to Eteri ."

Anyway, I think we have discussed about Ilya enough already. There are those who think his choice of words and timing was poor, and those who think he was correct and right. Let's agree to disagree on this, shall we?

 

[Alba]

Ermolina's Interview with Yulia, finally. http://fsrussia.ru/news/679-yulya-lipnitskaya-o-smene-trenera-rechi-ne-shlo.html
Thanks to TAHbKA for the translation: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...ng-tutberidze-gruop.94544/page-4#post-4426859

I wasn't even considering a coaching change. After a failure at the Nationals I was considering retiring altogether. It's not a secret how hard it was to go back training after the Olympics. The season was very hard. First things didn't work and I understood I can't do a thing. I was helpless and didn't know what was happening. Perhaps it's puberty. Perhaps the tiredness. My feelings were raw and it influenced the relationship with the coach. Still, the thoughts to change coaches never crossed my mind.

We had a meeting today in the Ministry of sports with Nagornyh, the RFSF president Gorshkovy, the general director Kogdan and my coach Eteri Tutberidze.. We spoke, discussed what is next. A huge thanks for their support, for taking time to understand the situation. This season is over for me. I will be recovering and working calmly on my jumps, gliding and other elements, getting back to shape and will start fresh next season. I hope the situation taught us a lot. I trust my Eteri Tutberidze's wisdom, who was and is my coach.

Am quite disgusted with such an information throw. Someone from the rink have done it. It always surprises me how the adult people are glad to dance on someone's funeral. It's too soon though. Am not yet giving up.

:thumbsup:

 

[uhh]

I'm sorry but that's not what he said, unless something is wrong with the translation.

"I remember that Eteri called me and said these words: “Julia and I are having difficulties in our relationship, she is getting ready to leave – please help me out with some good programs.” I tried, and it worked (author’s note: refers to the Olympic season programs “You Don’t Give Up on Love” and “Schindler’s List,” which, without exaggeration, won over the whole world). It worked out in great part thanks to Eteri ."

Anyway, I think we have discussed about Ilya enough already. There are those who think his choice of words and timing was poor, and those who think he was correct and right. Let's agree to disagree on this, shall we?

You yourself highlighted the key parts - help me out, it worked in great parts thanks to Eteri. He's not saying it was all down to him, and there was no reason for people in this thread to start slagging him off as they did. And now Yulia herself says she stays with Eteri, and you all got into a frenzy and started hurling insults at the people around Yulia over nothing.

 

[Alba]

You yourself highlighted the key parts - help me out, it worked in great parts thanks to Eteri.

You need help with what exactly? Eteri called him and said help me with some good programs because she is leaving, and he did. The story we've been told from Yulia and Eteri is that Yulia choose the music/subject. Asked to different people for choreo but they declined while Ilya said yes. It's very different from what he said here.

And now Yulia herself says she stays with Eteri, and you all got into a frenzy and started hurling insults at the people around Yulia over nothing.

What the hell are you talking about? Who did I insult and how?
Me criticising Ilya's poor taste and bad timing has nothing to do with Eteri and Yulia, or the rumors about a new coach.
I still think his timing was very bad.

 

[Meoima]

Phew... All the rumors have been cleared up. I can enjoy my evening finally.
You rock Yulia! never give up, that's my girl!

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

You yourself highlighted the key parts - help me out, it worked in great parts thanks to Eteri. He's not saying it was all down to him, and there was no reason for people in this thread to start slagging him off as they did. And now Yulia herself says she stays with Eteri, and you all got into a frenzy and started hurling insults at the people around Yulia over nothing.

Why are you trolling up a fan thread?

Look...I've been down on Ilya since summer time. Him publicly discussing private matters regarding Yulia and Eteri doesn't really make me like him any more if you catch my drift. I'm not putting Yulia on a pedestal either...although a fan fest is the place to do that.....I can see how difficult she can be. I'm calling into question Ilya's loyalty based on his actions.

SJID: I was waiting for you yesterday and you hit the nail on the head. :yes: He knows her personally and knows her biggest weakness is the media. The way he discussed her and Eteri's inner workings was about the worst thing he could have done to her. We should have seen this coming when Ilya told not to expect anything great from Yulia this season and hinted that maybe one day soon he would tell us all about it.

So glad she came out and set the record straight. So far...and everytime it seems....Yulia has always been the most honest and drama free person involved in these shenanigans. It's good to know her character see's her through and outshines the darkness that surrounds her.

 

[Alba]

Anyway, this meeting in the Ministry of Sport makes me think they are taking this thing seriously. Not giving up on her and she will have all the support she needs. That's the best thing right now, and she is doing exactly what I was hoping for her. Take advantage from all this time available and work as much as she can on everything. Prepare the programs in advance and come back in good shape by the August.

@bellflower: We did a schedule for her, if I'm not mistaken?

 

[MalAssada]

Yes, we did. So far, so good

I am glad everything is explained, but I gotta say I dislike Ilya even more after the interview. Talk about bad timing.

 

[ice coverage]

Eteri comments published today:

Этери Тутберидзе: «Мы скорректировали план подготовки»

13 Январь 2015

http://fsrussia.ru/news/680-eteri-tutberidze-my-skorrektirovali-plan-podgotovki.html​

Sorry if this link already was posted ... hard to keep track ...

 

[Alba]

Eteri comments published today:

Этери Тутберидзе: «Мы скорректировали план подготовки»

13 Январь 2015

http://fsrussia.ru/news/680-eteri-tutberidze-my-skorrektirovali-plan-podgotovki.html​

Sorry if this link already was posted ... hard to keep track ...

No, I didn't see Eteri's comment myself. Thank you very much Golden. :thumbsup:

 

[uhh]

You need help with what exactly? Eteri called him and said help me with some good programs because she is leaving, and he did. The story we've been told from Yulia and Eteri is that Yulia choose the music/subject. Asked to different people for choreo but they declined while Ilya said yes. It's very different from what he said here.

What the hell are you talking about? Who did I insult and how?
Me criticising Ilya's poor taste and bad timing has nothing to do with Eteri and Yulia, or the rumors about a new coach.
I still think his timing was very bad.

Yulia chose the themes, the choreography wasn't there yet & things aren't working out with Yulia & Eteri, she asks him to come and help with the programs. How does this conflict with what either of them said? He never said that he walked in with ideas that were completely new, or that Yulia didn't have any input. I found his comments to actually be very respectful of all the work Eteri has done & explaining that you can't just expect another coach to step in and work miracles, and she's been getting precious little respect from any other quarter this season. It's very disheartening that so many people have been so quick to hand wave what she achieved last year, or call Ilia a liar or say he's riding on the back of Yulia's success and using it for himself and demand changes, when it's obvious that Yulia has been struggling for reasons that are outside of a coach's or choreographer's control.

Why are you trolling up a fan thread?

Look...I've been down on Ilya since summer time. Him publicly discussing private matters regarding Yulia and Eteri doesn't really make me like him any more if you catch my drift. I'm not putting Yulia on a pedestal either...although a fan fest is the place to do that.....I can see how difficult she can be. I'm calling into question Ilya's loyalty based on his actions.

Jesus, I'm not trolling. I don't like seeing her fail, I want her to do well, but I don't see why everyone gets so upset when someone who knows her gives a clear analysis of what's going wrong this season. Is it worse to have something true and accurate from someone close to the situation, or have the gossip stirring articles or posts from vk that just insinuate things without putting a name to it? And where did he discuss truly private matters? Look at Staviski, he works with Zhulin's group as Averbukh worked with Yulia, and yet whenever he speaks to the press he says "these are the issues that need work for these skaters, this is the attitude that needs to change" and no one flips out.