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Awww, how cute.
About the other stuff: WWWWWHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT? I stop checking the thread for a couple of day and rumours explode out of the woodwork. What is going on?
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Awww, how cute.
About the other stuff: WWWWWHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT? I stop checking the thread for a couple of day and rumours explode out of the woodwork. What is going on?
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sjid, people will be people. If they speak so much about someone, it shows the relevance of the people they talk about. There's absolutely no hope to ever stop it.
Julia just has to learn to ignore it and live with it. It's not so hard once you learn the trick. She's just too vulnerable now, but given the right people around she'll find her armour and her defence.
I hate this kind of rumour, gossip and scandal, so that's why I got a little too angry these few days. It hurts everyone involved - and if there are some interaction problems, it just makes it worse, it brings about suspicion and paranoia too. I've been personally through something of the kind (to a far lesser extent, of course) - so that's why I'd personally bound everyone on every forum to stick to facts, not their ideas of what might be happening. I saw quite a few wild ideas over here too.
It appears nothing has happened. Just rumours about Yulia leaving Eteri to CSKA, but she has now denied them.
Ilia Averbukh also gave an interview which may-or-may-not be insulting (I'm neutral on this one).
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How about all through that unfortunate season? Right after it? Again, it was mentioned by Eteri in one of the documentaries about Yulia last year, and now it's supported by Ilya. I just don't see what makes you so unhappy about this.
Isabel, nice to see you're here. much ado about nothing.
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I read that damn article myself. In Russian. There's nothing insulting in it.
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An that's what I said too, if you can pay more attention to what I wrote. I just said that I do not believe that she was going to leave her, or FS, after chosing the programs. Because once you choose your programs it means you are already settled for the upcoming season. It's just my opinion on this because it doesn't make sense.
Was Eteri specific about the period? I'm disputing Ilya's word on this about the timing, on how he come on board, not that she never thought about leaving Eteri, anytime during that season. Can't you see the difference? I'm just trying to "stick to facts" that we have.
I'm not that unhappy about this, anyway. Don't worry about me, but since uhh wanted to know why I thought he was not telling the truth I replied. Does that bother you?
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Reading about what he said I don't really find any faults with what he said except for the parts about itemizing the list of "faults" such as small jumps and poor SS. While they may be true, not to me, though, I completely agree with those who said he should not have mentioned those things in the current situation.
I had hoped Yulia would compete at that Russian Cup? competition in February that way she would have time to finish any exams or other things going on and hopefully relax at that competition. If she did fantastic maybe she can go to Worlds if not hopefully she could skate two good programs.
If Yulia wants to start again next year I will be counting down the days. I wanted to see her FS clean though because even with the mistakes marring it, it was truly beautiful and I believe that clean even some of her detractor would have to admit that it was pretty incredible.
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Thanks Fauruza.
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Yeah, right. I'll enter the business of splitting hairs now.
He never said 'tiny jumps' or 'poor SS' either. What he said is that Julia is delicate, and she doesn't have flying high jumps - it does not directly follow her jumps are necessarily ' tiny'. And that she has to work on her skating skills, strokes etc. What's so insulting about that?
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Sorry, Alba, but did she have to? Within the context of a documentary to state times? For crying out loud, this is taking it too far - just because you want to believe Ilya's necessarily lying.
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You shoud speak to the people who did the translation then. I thought they were russian speakers.
If yours is the correct one, I do apologise to Ilya publicaly, and to all those who felt offended, and so unhappy, with my comments.
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No, not because I want to believe that, but because the timing is important in order to understand. The meaning of what he said is completely different because of the timing.
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I didn't find it offending, I just don't like it when someone's not allowed to speak their minds. Skaters, coaches, choreographers, experts - whoever.
Now Voitsekhovskaya seems to have an fixed idea about Julia's mum - she's ready to blame her no matter what. Not the first time she's written on the subject.
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Well, we don't know the timing to start with. It's not as if there could be only one telephone call, if it comes to that.
And Ilya isn't making himself into a saviour: he just states he's heard about these ideas before. The idea was exactly what it is now - that Julia wanted to retire.
The worst thing is that she doesn't seem to enjoy skating as much as she enjoys riding horses, instance.
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You are kind of my hero right now
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I'm sooo happy that everything has cleared up! :yay: All these rumours about leaving were making me sick, really... Yulia and Eteri seem such a perfect team and match so well to each other. Glad that Yulia is not giving up! :thumbsup: And I think it's a right decision to take a rest now and to get ready for the next season.
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Well, his interview is not directly insulting, but it does sound somehow mean in the general impression. I agree about the not perfect time and place (when journalists were on fire bashing Yulia, in the same way as it had been after Shanghai) and about too intense focusing on her problems - he didn't say "she should improve this or that" but he said "I don't know who could take such amount of work" (as if Yulia is a walking problem in general :sarcasm
. Or about "grunt work" - well, as many people point out, it's a big difference between not liking and not doing. If she doesn't like this work but does it, why is it worth mentioning at all?? And many people would understand (or would prefer to understand) such a formulation as if she doesn't do this work properly... In general, I must say that many Russian speakers commenting his interview at the Russian boards, agree with your opinion about his interview 
- and say that he would rather remember how he could hardly find time to work at Yulia's programs because he is ever busy with his ice shows...Though, in general, I can't say that I dislike Averbukh, I treat him rather neutrally, and big thanks to him for Yulia's SL program, anyway. But I'm not surprised about him giving such an interview - he seems to be that type of a person who would choose to be "in trend"... Some people express an opinion that he is thinking in terms of show business, rather than in terms of sport nowadays...
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Well, his interview is not directly insulting, but it does sound somehow mean in the general impression. I agree about the not perfect time and place (when journalists were on fire bashing Yulia, in the same way as it had been after Shanghai) and about too intense focusing on her problems - he didn't say "she should improve this or that" but he said "I don't know who could take such amount of work" (as if Yulia is a walking problem in general :sarcasm
Though, in general, I can't say that I dislike Averbukh, I treat him rather neutrally, and big thanks to him for Yulia's SL program, anyway. But I'm not surprised about him giving such an interview - he seems to be that type of a person who would choose to be "in trend"... Some people express an opinion that he is thinking in terms of show business, rather than in terms of sport nowadays...
My stance on these issues tends to be quite simple: I might not like what some experts or anyone are saying, I might heartily disagree with everything, but as long as they don't twist facts or draw conclusions based on nothing but rumour or speculation, they've every right to make their opinion known. It's only an opinion, after all - it might be biased, it might be wrong, it might be anything.
And my personal opinion is that you're now twisting Ilya's message. He explains why finding a new coach isn't likely to be easy: because everyone's busy, because Julia's going to demand all of the time and all of attention, because there's so much work to be done yet (even for such a clearly talented athlete it's a necessity) and she doesn't always look forward to doing routine hard stuff (that's only natural, you know - few people do). and because the expectation level will be very high. His mentioning her 'problems' matters only in this context.
Hardly the reason to take so much umbrage at such simple reasoning. It's not as if Ilya gave away a deadly secret.
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What I know is what Eteri and Yulia told us, that they were struggling to find a choregrapher for their programs and that how he came on board. So I'm sticking with that.
Ilya didn't just said that he heard about these ideas before. Unless the translation is not correct - you know better than me since you speak russian - what he said is: "Even Julia and Eteri already had this experience. Not just this unfortunate season, but in the season before. I remember that Eteri called me and said these words: “Julia and I are having difficulties in our relationship, she is getting ready to leave – please help me out with some good programs.”
This is very clear, and it leaves no room for interpretation. Unless you choose to ignore it.
He is allowed to speak his mind just fine. He gave an interview speaking his mind. But I'm also allowed to judge his words/actions, and speak me mind. You didn't find that offending and that's fine. I didn't said he offended someone either. I said I don't like some of his choice of words, the timing, and the fact that he's addressing some of these issues with the media.
I don't like that, and I do not trust people who do that. Not just when it comes to my favorite but for anybody.
Oh well, I know how Vaitsekhovskaya writes about Yulia and you are right, this is not the first time and not just about her mom. I didn't want to comment on that, because I didn't want another endless discussion. I like her interviews in general, but when she writes about Yulia she is totally biased against her. I have learned to ignore her articles about Yulia.
hwell:The worst thing is that she doesn't seem to enjoy skating as much as she enjoys riding horses, instance.
There have been so many things happening that I don't think it's strange that she might have though quitting altogether, or that she doesn't enjoy skating right now. It happens during a bad period. There is no enjoyment or pleasure when you fail in something, even when is related to something you love. Some do take the decision to quit and some don't, in the end. For now she isn't giving up. That's good enough, at the moment. To quote another user, she just needs her head back in the game. The appetite comes with eating.
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