Yulia Lipnitskaya

[Fayruza]

Oh dear. I just think it's possible that Eteri might have contacted Ilya more than once in that bloody season - they don't live on different planets, you know. Among other things, she might have confided that piece of information. Again not a secret, since Eteri is known to have said something to the same effect. I absolutely fail to see a problem about it.
And I respectfully beg to differ if you think it leaves no room for interpretation. It does leave a lot of room for interpretation. There can be some other scenarios as well. We don't know much about their lives a year and a half ago.

 

[Alba]

Well, his interview is not directly insulting, but it does sound somehow mean in the general impression. I agree about the not perfect time and place (when journalists were on fire bashing Yulia, in the same way as it had been after Shanghai) and about too intense focusing on her problems - he didn't say "she should improve this or that" but he said "I don't know who could take such amount of work" (as if Yulia is a walking problem in general :sarcasm. Or about "grunt work" - well, as many people point out, it's a big difference between not liking and not doing. If she doesn't like this work but does it, why is it worth mentioning at all?? And many people would understand (or would prefer to understand) such a formulation as if she doesn't do this work properly... In general, I must say that many Russian speakers commenting his interview at the Russian boards, agree with your opinion about his interview - and say that he would rather remember how he could hardly find time to work at Yulia's programs because he is ever busy with his ice shows...

That was exactly my point from the start. Thank you.

Though, in general, I can't say that I dislike Averbukh, I treat him rather neutrally, and big thanks to him for Yulia's SL program, anyway.

I don't dislike him either. On the contrary, big thanks to him for Yulia's programs. All of them, not just SL. Obviously SL was a mastepiece, but I'm among those who absolutely love all 4 programs he did for her in these 2 seasons. I still think R&J is beautiful. Not his fault that she was not able to skate at full potential.

But I'm not surprised about him giving such an interview - he seems to be that type of a person who would choose to be "in trend"... Some people express an opinion that he is thinking in terms of show business, rather than in terms of sport nowadays...

That's precisely why I called that interview opportunistic. Never underestimate "being in the know" feeling/attitude either.

 

[Alba]

Oh dear. I just think it's possible that Eteri might have contacted Ilya more than once in that bloody season - they don't live on different planets, you know. Among other things, she might have confided that piece of information. Again not a secret, since Eteri is known to have said something to the same effect. I absolutely fail to see a problem about it.

Oh god Fayruza. I never said that what his comments about Yulia wanting to leave Eteri before were not true. I clearly said I take his word for it, and I'm not disputing that.So I really fon't understand why you keep bringing that argument up? I'm disputing the story of how he came to do those two programs for Yulia, because Eteri and her both said that they contacted him, after other people declined. That's it. So, I'm sorry if I'm sticking with what Eteri and Yulia told us, many times. Can we move on now?!

 

[Fayruza]

yes, Alba, we're all allowed to opine to our hearts' content, but...
Ilya's opinion just weighs a little more than any of ours since he's worked with Julia and he knows her personally. That's why I find it interesting. Not that I have to agree with it 100 per cent - but it's enlightening about Julia, Eteri and Ilya and the relationship they've had.

 

[Fayruza]

Oh god Fayruza. I never said that what his comments about Yulia wanting to leave Eteri before were not true. I clearly said I take his word for it, and I'm not disputing that.So I really fon't understand why you keep bringing that argument up? I'm disputing the story of how he came to do those two programs for Yulia, because Eteri and her both said that they contacted him, after other people declined. That's it. So, I'm sorry if I'm sticking with what Eteri and Yulia told us, many times. Can we move on now?!

Yeah, I also can't get across to you a very simple idea - Eteri could have asked for 'good programs' before SL was conceived. Or "Don't Give Up On Love", for that matter. You don't have a definite piece of information that Eteri and Julia spoke to Ilya only once. And since you don't have that information, yu can't jump to a conclusion someone's lying.

 

[Alba]

yes, Alba, we're all allowed to opine to our hearts' content, but...
Ilya's opinion just weighs a little more than any of ours since he's worked with Julia and he knows her personally. That's why I find it interesting. Not that I have to agree with it 100 per cent - but it's enlightening about Julia, Eteri and Ilya and the relationship they've had.

And I 100% agree with you here. I never thought that my opinion, or anybody else's here, weights more. Not for a second. That's why I care about what he says, and judge him a bit more. As I said above, I really do love Vaitsekhovskaya's interviews and articles in general. But I don't care that much when she writes about Yulia.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

"Wait....are you talking about....me?"

https://pp.vk.me/c540108/v540108461/194/q-sGXTDuNVo.jpg

Sincerely,
The Girl in the Red Coat

 

[Alba]

"Wait....are you talking about....me?"

https://pp.vk.me/c540108/v540108461/194/q-sGXTDuNVo.jpg

Sincerely,
The Girl in the Red Coat

OMG! That's a great picture. I adore her body.

 

[andy08]

Glad the speculation has come to an end.

Let's say that:

1. Yulia + Eteri ARE the Golden team (no underdogs in russian history have ever accomplished what they did and yes... ear rubbing will continue http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/julia3.jpg?w=1000;

2. Sorry to hear that Yulia was considering retiring after Russian National... Still a lot ahead to accomplish in her Art of Skate...

3. Given the context, good point in taking the rest of the season off... No need to stress out for Worlds or other competition.

4. As for Averbukh, he's always ready to give interviews on Yulia... And it was a rather long interview based on a speculation... Personally I didn't appreciate him referring the conversation with Eteri, but it seems it was a translation problem as someone pointed out (@nonim that's not the exact Ilia's words. Ilia is telling, that Eteri asked him to help prevent Yilia leaving from skating, not her.[/I]”).
(And just for the record, as indicated in the wonderful report on Yulia's life made by Russian TV, Eteri called him after other choreographers quitted on the idea of portraying on ice Schindler's List);

5. Fortunately the final point is always made by Yulia …

6. Whish list: msg to Yulia or her team. Just if possible, when she wants to: it would be possible, by any chance, to put online a version of R&J as she intended it to be?!?!?!The JL Practice video in Barcellona was just superb... No need for polished version... even skated in the sheep pigiama would be just fine ….
http://instagram.com/p/xRpE4CELf0/?modal=true
7. Curtain down … Until next !

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

2). The last time Yulia almost quit she came back with thunder and we got" SL"and "Don't give up on love"

6). Is the video I made of R&J too polished?
http://youtu.be/nTR5Y7KJC_Q

 

[andy08]

Good point...but it's a remix version and no sheep pigiama ...

Your video is a wonderful dreamy poem, thank you!

 

[Alba]

it would be possible, by any chance, to put online a version of R&J as she intended it to be?!?!?!The JL Practice video in Barcellona was just superb... No need for polished version... even skated in the sheep pigiama would be just fine ….

I just can't take of my mind the image of her skating R&J with the sheep pigiama now. I want to see that.

 

[sjid]

My stance on these issues tends to be quite simple: I might not like what some experts or anyone are saying, I might heartily disagree with everything, but as long as they don't twist facts or draw conclusions based on nothing but rumour or speculation, they've every right to make their opinion known. It's only an opinion, after all - it might be biased, it might be wrong, it might be anything.

I agree with Fayruza. Ilya has the right to talk. He even has the right to talk irresponsibly. The right to willfully hurt a high-minded, innocent, 16-year-old adolescent. The right to betray her trust. Yulia has the same rights. Does anyone expect her to exercise them? The rest is noise.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

The rest is indeed just noise. Empty barrels make the most noise. I think Olympia once said that

 

[sjid]

The rest is indeed just noise. Empty barrels make the most noise. I think Olympia once said that

well done

 

[Fayruza]

I agree with Fayruza. Ilya has the right to talk. He even has the right to talk irresponsibly. The right to willfully hurt a high-minded, innocent, 16-year-old adolescent. The right to betray her trust. Yulia has the same rights. Does anyone expect her to exercise them? The rest is noise.

Oh thank you for your high opinion of my frankly spoken opinion, but let me remind you one thing. Just a couple days ago it was me who was trying to stop an idle speculation about Laishev and Tchaikovskaya being the next coach for Julia, and you happily indulging in that speculation and looking forward to those changes.
Now you're riding your high horse - since largely someone (Ilya) has offered his opinion built on speculation (as he said at the beginning of his interview). Unlike you, though, he has something real to base his story on, so he's betraying Julia's trust - even when he isn't actually saying anything which hasn't been said before.
Yeah, lovely display of double standards. Irresponsible conversation is the prerogative of those who know very little and love imagining a lot, it's clear. And it's clear that those who speak irresponsibly themselves that criticise others for irresponsiblity.
This whole outrageous situation has been born out of wild irresponsible speculation of the kind you took so happily part in. Congratulations on being a part of it.
Oh, yeah, Julia has every right to speak too - and she has spoken, in case you didn't notice. I'm happy she did. Whether she'll bear ill will towards Ilya from now on is up to her - but she's unlikely to forget Ilya's helped her once or twice.

 

[sjid]

Oh thank you for your high opinion of my frankly spoken opinion, but let me remind you one thing. Just a couple days ago it was me who was trying to stop an idle speculation about Laishev and Tchaikovskaya being the next coach for Julia, and you happily indulging in that speculation and looking forward to those changes. Now you're riding your high horse - since largely someone (Ilya) has offered his opinion built on speculation (as he said at the beginning). Unlike you, though, he has something real to base his story on, so he's betraying Julia's trust - even when he isn't actually saying anything which hasn't been said before.
Yeah, lovely display of double standards.

Fayruza, I value your many contributions. I won't argue, but I will say this. Yulia is a fragile, unusually sensitive young lady who needs to be respected and protected. It is a simple rule to follow. You have followed it as well as any of us. I am excited that she may find a kindred spirit to be both choreographer and associate coach. I was adamantly against her leaving Eteri. I am relieved that she may now have the best of both worlds in which to fulfill her dream. Happily indulging in speculation is a very good description of how I have felt since reading Mat's report describing an active, long-term choreographer.

 

[QLutz]

anyone know where this community went?

http://vk.com/figureskater

it was the best. tons of stuff each day on (mostly) russian skaters incl yulia. disappeared sometime over the summer i suppose

 

[Meoima]

oh my... all these speculations make me dazed! At least no change for Yulia for now. Actually I don't feel scared too much if Yulia changed coach since Eteri group is over-crowded with all the talents and she needs more attention from her coach. Unless they push her towards Morozov or the like, I have no objection.

But she trusts Eteri, so I trust her choice.

It's just one season after the Olympic, so it says not much. She doesn't give up, that matters.

Still I hope Yulia will work with different choreographers.

 

[waterskiiiepic123]

My stance on these issues tends to be quite simple: I might not like what some experts or anyone are saying, I might heartily disagree with everything, but as long as they don't twist facts or draw conclusions based on nothing but rumour or speculation, they've every right to make their opinion known. It's only an opinion, after all - it might be biased, it might be wrong, it might be anything.

And my personal opinion is that you're now twisting Ilya's message. He explains why finding a new coach isn't likely to be easy: because everyone's busy, because Julia's going to demand all of the time and all of attention, because there's so much work to be done yet (even for such a clearly talented athlete it's a necessity) and she doesn't always look forward to doing routine hard stuff (that's only natural, you know - few people do). and because the expectation level will be very high. His mentioning her 'problems' matters only in this context.

Hardly the reason to take so much umbrage at such simple reasoning. It's not as if Ilya gave away a deadly secret.

Ilya has several times twisted the facts. Remember, when he said in an interview that in Canada people for the first time gave Yulia standing ovation? Than he said that Yulia was set to leave Eteri in 12/13 season, and he's the only one saying this, Yulia said that it was very difficult and she was thinking about leaving the sport but not Eteri. If you read between the lines you see that he's not covering Eteri and Yulia's backs on the contrary he's feeding the journalists and Eteri and Yulia rivals. I like Ilya as a whole but not in this case.