Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[Pamigena]

p. 773-783

As the doctor said that Yuzuru could resume training when the leg pain was gone, I think I know that he has already determined to participate in NHK, whatever other people try to tell him. Maybe he is now counting the days left, considering what to do everyday.

As far as I see this practice,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0mg7xFGHvk

I think, other than his change of 4T+3T to 3Lz+3T, he changed his biellmann spin to 'A' spin (wasn't it?)
It seems he kept his head rather clear under such condition.

Sorry to pull away from the postings, but thought everyone would like to know of this YouTube channel that subs everything in English (and Thai) and I subscribed to them and they're really quick when it comes to subbing so watch while the channel is still up!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSLo5jK2sEtnzF-dH-MOiIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2x4Hi5jbLI

This news clip has been posted on 10th by Newbiespectator. Now it is an version with English subtitle. It included the collision, LP and an interview with Hanyu directly after his performance by Matsuoka.

The interview was from 5min23sec.

ps.

There is one mistake at the end: NOT "he looked like a lost child (maigo)", but "I was right beside (mayoko) them all the way" at the 2nd warm-up. (according Angel Yuzu at FB)

How did Yuzu himself made his POTO new layout during second 6 minutes warm-up? Here are several gifs telling this process.

credit to 沈祎涵 at weibo

* http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/4421c8f1gw1em8nc467kzg209q0ajkjn.gif
* http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/4421c8f1gw1em8nbes9kyg20b4069b2e.gif
* http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/4421c8f1gw1em8nclsmmhg209q0a0b2f.gif

While I saw this process, I knew he tried everything he could to get best results with smart and clear thoughts. He didn't just went out and skate in reckless!

In other news, seems like Hanyu was discussed on a program called "The Legend": https://twitter.com/hanyuyuzurufeed/status/532859163097829376. (Seems like it was probably recorded before the incident, shame because I would have loved to hear a panel of sports people talking about it.)

You may watch this show here, indeed it was recorded before the incident.
http://dai.ly/x29slr1

thanks to Jeka from Tumblr

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/yuzuru-hanyu

Yuzuru SP practice at COC fancam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Ct2LvFt-c

I was watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3th5CFvoOY
over and over....

Speaking of his being the reigning OGM, his FS moved the Chinese female commentator to say that this is the first time in her 12 years of reportage to see an athlete skate wearing bandages and that there is no doubt that he's the Olympic gold medalist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2x4Hi5jbLI; 5:07), while B Esp's Mark Hannretty who felt that Yuzuru should skate (Nicky Slater said his call is that Yuzuru doesn't skate), said that Yuzuru is a worthy Olympic champion
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFwEHecrC60; 5:48). I hope next time though Yuzuru will make his case as a worthy OGM in a way that's less harmful to his health and less heartbreaking for his family and those who care for him.

i dont know if these videos posted before but i just saw them last night and we all need change of mood so here it is
baby yuzu and kana
according to the tumblr user " When they first met at the age of 9, Kanako was so impressed by Yuzu’s mushroom haircut that she bounced several times and asked her friend to see Yuzu. Yuzu, was so embarrassed that he burried his face in his hands. But Kana just wouldn’t let go. She kept teasing this shy little boy"

and next video is many years later
" Many years later, Kana still remembered how impressed she was by Yuzu’s haircut, and, Yuzu was still incredibly shy when she talked about that."

so cutee

According to the news tonight, Yuzuru did take good rest these days and didn't go on ice.Orser and Yuzu communicate every day via email. Orser will go to Japan next week.

Better angle of the 3A from the SP (fancam) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efDLK50HiJY

2010 yuzuru....

1.http://38.media.tumblr.com/8d72ce27222276d489564c50ba759ec7/tumblr_nf0wvrgwNX1tae69fo1_500.png
2.http://38.media.tumblr.com/cb71f56a8416175357b9fc174cff252b/tumblr_nf0wvrgwNX1tae69fo2_500.png
3.http://31.media.tumblr.com/3216c3a84d3d2032cccdc28a85560608/tumblr_nf0wvrgwNX1tae69fo3_500.png
4.http://38.media.tumblr.com/6b423b5e2d2d61df5e12ede115eaf4a5/tumblr_nf1dqzlvg41su3h0no1_500.jpg
5.http://33.media.tumblr.com/8038e565bfd12f2f80beda854f2fbd29/tumblr_nf0wvrgwNX1tae69fo4_500.png

and time for some Baby yuzuru, he needs help to get on the podium

Someone stich together the whole program....it is beautiful

 

[Winnie_20]

Such dedication, Pamina! Thanks! :dance:

 

[SuzyQ]

I think his rival can be this wonder boy from Mishin camp, who has just turned 12: http://youtu.be/1rVUSvYvGfA
But we will have to wait, time will tell, surely. Because as I have said... I've seen so many talented young musicians got buried and lost their magic early. I hope they will improve and get over the teenager phase.

Yuzuru was weird, I don't think I saw much in Yuzuru when he was 13 years old. I thought he looked funny at the age of 10-13. His fast spins by that time was what I remember about him, not his jumps. When he was 15 and won Junior Wc, his jumps have become much better, good elevation, which made me surprised because :think: well I didn't think he could improve his jumps that fast. At the time Artur Gachinski seemed to be better IMo. So it's extremely difficult to tell. Really, how young skaters develop and improve.

It's always fun to watch young talents :yes:

But, as you say, time will tell.

When I saw Yuzuru in the novice category, his jumps were not consitent. I was rather amazed by Ryuju Hino's spins before Yuzuru. Actually, Yuzuru was 12th in the Junior World 2009, one year before he won the title.

Lots of boys won Novice or Junior titles, but not so many have survived the competitive figure skating world. I saw Stephen Carriere in GPS Russia this week, and remembered he won the JW title in 2007.

Machida and Mura did not achieve so remarkable records in their junior days in the world.

Anyway, I wish all the young talents bright and healthy future, without serious injury.

By the way, please don't forget Koshiro Shimada !

http://skating.livedoor.biz/archives/51869354.html

 

[Meoima]

It's always fun to watch young talents :yes:
But, as you say, time will tell.
When I saw Yuzuru in the novice category, his jumps were not consitent. I was rather amazed by Ryuju Hino's spins before Yuzuru. Actually, Yuzuru was 12th in the Junior World 2009, one year before he won the title.

Yes, that's why I said time will tell. There has been so many young talents never make it to the big stage. Sometimes it's just the way they develop was not right. I did watch Yuzuru's performance when he was young and I thought "cute" but nothing more. I didn't expect him to improve that immensely just after months. It's so weird.
Anyways, this is some comments made by several British figure skaters about Yuzuru's PCS: http://ice-kingfisher.tumblr.com/post/102679292993

 

[anonymoose_au]

I think his rival can be this wonder boy from Mishin camp, who has just turned 12: http://youtu.be/1rVUSvYvGfA
But we will have to wait, time will tell, surely. Because as I have said... I've seen so many talented young musicians got buried and lost their magic early. I hope they will improve and get over the teenager phase.

Holy cow, that kid's spins are INSANE, it's like Julia Lipnitskaia levels of flexibility. I'm half way between and because it looks sort of wrong to be able to put your legs like that.

Originally Posted by matmuh

and time for some Baby yuzuru, he needs help to get on the podium

Awww, how so cute Yuzuru?!

 

[Nemorml]

My perception of Yuzuru Hanyu: I think he's TOO ambitions. To the point that he can't see straight his own ability too; and set too high standards for himself that most of the times he can't fullfill heavens knows why. Basically he's trying "too hard" in every way ... And everything in excess can cause damage. Of course he's got terrific technnical abiility, of course he wants to grown his presentation ability and we can see that he's improved a lot during summer. But he set his programs in a level so high, especially with his LP layout, that the chances of seeing him do a clean competition probably will be once in a lifetime ... I honestly think he genuinely wants to complete the programs but in all realness what is the probability that this will happen? And that sucks; if he keeps doing flawed programs his qualities will be downplayed by anyone watching him wether he likes it or not. I don't see him gaining consistency anytime soon because his technnical content most likely won't let this happen ... And he seems to be not the type that lower BV, which is a pity. Sometimes you need to take a step back. For me, clean programs are the key for everything, they can make a full carreer.. I prefer much more, a clean program with lowered BV like Machida's even if his style is not my favourite (overdramatic much .. ) than a disruptive program. This reminds me how Yuna was criticized when she came back for the Olympics because her content was lower, but she knew her own abilities and set her programs accordinly. I think Hanyu's character is more like Mao's, she was also criticized but for the opposite, for her high BV. I'm glad the time that she could complete the program was her now legendary Sochi FS; but she suffered a ton through the years due to inconsistency. Was it worth it? I don't know. Some may appreciate this stubborness and view this a "strong character", but my opinion is that it's pulling him down; he's got a ton of potential but I fear this attitude will cease this potentital because his improvements will be burried under flawed performances... and only highlights the score inflation that will most definitely occur. His decision at COC kind of even have strenghten this perception for me. This is only my opinion though and sort of an outside view, feel free to disagree.

 

[alia jackson]

^^ "You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them........And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

 

[Nemorml]

^^ "You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them........And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

I can see why most of his fans tend to take this route .. And I partially agree, because ambition is necessary but, in my opinion, when this attitude start to danger his health it's alarming and it's time to take a step back and revaluate it. There are ways to make a difference and don't rush it, sometimes less is more, I think he's trying too many things at once so there's a chance that this will have the opposite effect and harm his career. No one knows how his program content and all the aspects he wants to improve at once will come at him in the future. Also, I hope no one will misunderstand me because even if in my opinion I think he's expecting too much of himself and can't fulfil it, I still think he's wonderful and the reason of why i'm sharing my opinion is because I want his qualities to be highlighted. I hope the best for him.

 

[Meoima]

I can see why most of his fans tend to take this route .. And I partially agree, because ambition is necessary but, in my opinion, when this attitude start to danger his health it's alarming and it's time to take a step back and revaluate it. There are ways to make a difference and don't rush it, sometimes less is more, I think he's trying too many things at once so there's a chance that this will have the opposite effect and harm his career. No one knows how his program content and all the aspects he wants to improve at once will come at him in the future. Also, I hope no one will misunderstand me because even if in my opinion I think he's expecting too much of himself and can't fulfil it, I still think he's wonderful and the reason of why i'm sharing my opinion is because I want his qualities to be highlighted. I hope the best for him.

You know that, my answer is simple: I have made peace with that. Had it not been for Yuzuru's stubbornness, I wouldn't follow his career anyways. He might not be the flawless champion like Yuna. But I love watching him anyways. With Yuna, I have no excitement at all. Just my taste.

 

[Nemorml]

You know that, my answer is simple: I have made peace with that. Had it not been for Yuzuru's stubbornness, I wouldn't follow his career anyways. He might not be the flawless champion like Yuna. But I love watching him anyways. With Yuna, I have no excitement at all. Just my taste.

I respect your opinion. I only mentioned her because I'm a huge Yuna-Mao fan despite them having opposite views on their own skating. So me disagreeing with Hanyu's attitude don't prevent me from apreciating the qualities that he has. COC was just the epitome of the aspects that I find troubling with him.

 

[Meoima]

I respect your opinion. I only mentioned her because I'm a huge Yuna-Mao fan despite them having opposite views on their own skating. So me disagreeing with Hanyu's attitude don't prevent me from apreciating the qualities that he has. COC was just the epitome of the aspects that I find troubling with him.

Actually after CoC I find myself more appreciate him as a person. Yes we all know it's dangerous to skate like that, but the point is he didn't give up because it's just a "small competition". Every competition is a trial for all athletes, especially now that he's the OGM, personally I think he skated that FS for himself. He loves competition, he loves challenging himself. He hates to lose but he also doesn't play safe. I don't like it when all people are playing safe. Just my taste.

Of course what happened at CoC was dangerous, but it was done because there was no doctor in the sight from JSF to stop him. Do I think of that action is silly? Yes I do. But well we only live once and we are young only once, it's not like we have the chance to come back and do all the silly things when that time is over.

As a person who is much older than him, I do think of him as an idiot to go out and skate in that condition, I do think that his layout is too ambitious given his health condition, but because it's difficult to execute cleanly, it makes the moment he can finally do it more precious.

Just like what happened at Saitama, when Yuzuru finally cleanly landed 2 different quads and 8 triples. It's a huge achievement to him, but also a huge joy to us. Had he only jumped 2 quad toe and 7 triples and win, his winning free skate wouldn't be that wonderful for him and his fans.

All competitiors want to win, but now that when you finally have all the big titles, what do you want to do next? To play safe or to push yourself to further limit? It's the question you have to answer for yourself if you were in his shoes. Do you want to stay the same, keep winning with safe layouts, or do you want to reach your next personal goal despite all the risks? I don't know if it were me, what should I do. That's a very tough question.

 

[HanDomi]

I have only wish that if quad salchow will be giving him still problems he will finally come to decision to drop it, and if he wants other quads, let's bring quad loop instead.... I wouldn't be surprised if he will have better succes rate with it :dance:


And i wouldn't have problem if he would be doing two quad toes only either, but this is propably last on his list after, quad sal, quad loop, lutz

 

[Nemorml]

Actually after CoC I find myself more appreciate him as a person. Yes we all know it's dangerous to skate like that, but the point is he didn't give up because it's just a "small competition". Every competition is a trial for all athletes, especially now that he's the OGM, personally I think he skated that FS for himself. He loves competition, he loves challenging himself. He hates to lose but he also doesn't play safe. I don't like it when all people are playing safe. Just my taste.

Of course what happened at CoC was dangerous, but it was done because there was no doctor in the sight from JSF to stop him. Do I think of that action is silly? Yes I do. But well we only live once and we are young only once, it's not like we have the chance to come back and do all the silly things when that time is over.

As a person who is much older than him, I do think of him as an idiot to go out and skate in that condition, I do think that his layout is too ambitious given his health condition, but because it's difficult to execute cleanly, it makes the moment he can finally do it more precious.

Just like what happened at Saitama, when Yuzuru finally cleanly landed 2 different quads and 8 triples. It's a huge achievement to him, but also a huge joy to us. Had he only jumped 2 quad toe and 7 triples and win, his winning free skate wouldn't be that wonderful for him and his fans.

All competitiors want to win, but now that when you finally have all the big title, what do you want to do next? To play safe or to push yourself to further limit? It's the question you have to answer for yourself if you were in his shoes. Do you want to stay the same, keep winning with safe layouts, or do you want to reach your next personal goal despite all the risks? I don't know if it were me, what should I do. That's a very tough question.

This is indeed a very tough question. My view is a little bit different, I think that there's a lot of diferent ways that a skater can challenge himself and perfecting a performance is one the most challenging one, because you can't afford a single error , so 'playing safe' is definetly not 'safe' actually, as well as inscreasing the layout isn't an easy way too. I just think that 'pushing the limits' should be done wisely, not pushing to the point that it can most definetly harm the health of a skater. When you set suddenly a high standard but you don't execute it, you're not achieving a further limit because in reality you just didn't complete what you set yourself to do. That's the main reason of why my opinion tend to not go well with his attiude, but there's not so much that I can do except aprecciate his qualities and wish him luck on his endevours.

 

[Meoima]

This is indeed a very tough question. My view is a little bit different, I think that there's a lot of diferent ways that a skater can challenge himself and perfecting a performance is one the most challenging one, because you can't afford a single error , so 'playing safe' is definetly not 'safe' actually, as well as inscreasing the layout isn't an easy way too. I just think that 'pushing the limits' should be done wisely, not pushing to the point that it can most definetly harm the health of a skater. When you set suddenly a high standard but you don't execute it, you're not achieving a further limit because in reality you just didn't complete what you set yourself to do. That's the main reason of why my opinion tend to not go well with his attiude, but there's not so much that I can do except aprecciate his qualities and wish him luck on his endevours.

I understand what you mean. When I first heard of the layout I also thought: "that's crazy". Actually now I still think of his layout as crazy. But then I see his immensely improved skating skills (especially in that SP at CoC) and I was like: "Wow, so he's not kidding, isn't he?" He has improved his skating skills so much over the summer with limited training time. So I guess he's not that crazy to go out and skate without landing his jump layout cleanly in practice.
As for now, of course, we will have to wait and see if he will skate that same layout in NHK, or he will water it down because of injuries, or he will withdraw. I can't tell much for now.

 

[Nemorml]

I understand what you mean. When I first heard of the layout I also thought: "that's crazy". Actually now I still think of his layout as crazy. But then I see his immensely improved skating skills (especially in that SP at CoC) and I was like: "Wow, so he's not kidding, isn't he?" He has improved his skating skills so much over the summer with limited training time. So I guess he's not that crazy to go out and skate without landing his jump layout cleanly in practice.
As for now, of course, we will have to wait and see if he will skate that same layout in NHK, or he will water it down because of injuries, or he will withdraw. I can't tell much for now.

It's interesting that you mentioned that, I also always ask myself if that attitude is so extreme to the point that he's trying to skate a program with a layout that he can't complete at practice ... Are clean performances his priority? Honestly, as strange as it may seem, I think it is, it's just that he genuinely thinks that he could make it happen when I have my doubts because of the layout. It's not that I don't believe in him, I just think that the layout is too much for anyone. Even if it's my wish, knowing his temper, I have no hopes that he will water down his layout. Anyway, as I already said, i just wish him luck, it's his own decision if he will compete at NHK or not. If he does, then at least we will get to see again his wonderful improved SS ^^

 

[msteach3]

I think we all need to remember that Yuzu is still young at 19 and has many years ahead of him to find the perfect balance between pushing the limits and being consistent. Because of his immense talent, determination and drive, he has already great success at a relatively young age. If he wants to experiment and push himself and his limits, I say go for it now. In three years will be an Olympic year, and that will be the time to examine limits and focus on consistency. Yuzu by then will be 23, which really is a male skater's prime.

As far as his health is concerned, I think the JFS insisting he do nonstop shows and commercials all summer after a long season adversely affected his health, not his ambitious programs. The crash at CoC was extremely unfortunate, but I think when his body is back at nearly 100%, we won't have to worry about it so much. Let this boy be who he is and respect his decisions because they are his and his alone to make.

 

[HanDomi]

It's interesting that you mentioned that, I also always ask myself if that attitude is so extreme to the point that he's trying to skate a program with a layout that he can't complete at practice ... Are clean performances his priority? Honestly, as strange as it may seem, I think it is, it's just that he genuinely thinks that he could make it happen when I have my doubts because of the layout. It's not that I don't believe in him, I just think that the layout is too much for anyone. Even if it's my wish, knowing his temper, I have no hopes that he will water down his layout. Anyway, as I already said, i just wish him luck, it's his own decision if he will compete at NHK or not. If he does, then at least we will get to see again his wonderful improved SS ^^

Well I don't think he is trying to do in competition something that he can't do in practice. And to be honest we don't yet if he can pull off 3 quads in LP in competition or not for obvious reasons at COC. If he will go for NHK I am sure he will be not attempting more than 2 quads, I don't think even he is crazy enough to attempt something that he will be not able to do after break

 

[firal]

Someone stich together the whole program....it is beautiful

I his looks and softness when he "removed" the mask at 1:57

Thanks for posting this. The person did a pretty good job of editing and I hope he will be touched if he knows about this. I am getting emotional thinking about the performance that could have been...but of course we can't go back to the past.

 

[Maria Victoria]

Thanks for posting this. The person did a pretty good job of editing and I hope he will be touched if he knows about this. I am getting emotional thinking about the performance that could have been...but of course we can't go back to the past.

We can go and look forward to seeing him perform like that in competition.

My take on the recent discussion is that Yuzuru feels he has to add to the technical difficulty of his programs to be a step (jump) ahead of the competition. In this he is the gambler Brian Orser once likened him to. Inconsistency is part of the growing pains of that process. The upside of this strategy though is that his destiny lies more in his hands than with the judges.

 

[bibi1899]

Let this boy be who he is and respect his decisions because they are his and his alone to make.

I stand by your words.
Yuzuru has his life and I want to trust him having his wisdom to make his own decision.
The only thing I can do is keep watching him,supporting him and pray all Luck to him.