Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[yhmafan]

There's also audience rating to consider. Besides, Yuzu loves to stay in Japan. Maybe he's actually super happy about taking NHK.

:agree: One thing I really don’t accept is that such a small venue. Besides, it’s slightly far from Tokyo, about 3 hours driving by car.

It is true some Japanese fans have been talking what it would be like if Yuzuru plays Onnagata. I laughed at his comment because it was as if he was listening to our talk
But I learned from his comment this time that he is well aware of his fans requests.

Joking aside, in any case, I was astonished again to know what a clever person he is. He knows very well about himself. About his characteristics, what to sell, what to improve, and what he should do as a skater, and how to spend his skater's life preparing for the next Olympics. He is very rational. And we all know he is a person of passion at the same time. Very complex, but very magnetic.

I want to see NHK, but I have already given up about the ticket. I'm rather the type of Gudetama (lazy egg), and no guts to join the ticket getting battle

This time, as Yuzuru and Mao will attend, surely it would be more severe than ever.

I burst into laughter when he said he is an “Onnagata” rather than a samurai. and totally agree on you are mentioning about Yuzuru.

As to the speaking of Gudetama (lazy egg), me as well lol. and isn’t it kinda funny that I often find something new related to Yuzuru (and other Japanese skaters) very first in this thread (forum).
As thankfully, I kind of depend on the abilities and efforts by overseas fans to help me as always.

I whole-heartedly agree with your assessment of Yuzuru that he knows himself very well, astonishing really because at his age, many people are just discovering themselves and what they want to do with their lives. I read a recent post in another forum where the poster opined that Yuzuru still doesn't know himself and thus his skating artistry is "inauthentic" though he may later develop his artistry. I thought then that it was the poster who doesn't know Yuzuru for if one has followed him closely and read his interviews and seen his progress, it's evident this is a person who has a high degree of self-awareness. And I think "SEIMEI" is proof of that and hopefully will cause the poster to see Yuzuru in a more favorable light.

I am definitely one of those who are surprised by his cleverness and self-awareness in every time I see his interview. I was like I almost forgotten he is just 20 years old. Imagining, if most of 20 y/o boys (people) were like him, that makes this world much better?! :yes:

 

[firal]

Hurry though, coz I was only able to get an upper bowl ticket will hopefully get a better ticket if ppl sell them later on...

Really? I was clicking on the ticketing site for fun last night and was offered a row 10 (or 11?) seat. I am assuming you did click on "upper bowl $190" instead of "$160" for the lower bowl right? Oh but I only selected for one ticket, so if you were buying multiples, that might be why. But you are right, I've been reading some Japanese tweets about fans just grabbing seats and saying that not sure if they will be able to go but just want to secure a seat for now, so you should be able to get a better seat if you want one.

I can't believe it's been a day since the assignment is out but no one has mentioned that Kanako and Hanyu-san will be both at Skate Canada!! Where are my shippers at?? Haha sorry, it's been a bummer not being able to see Kanako in the recent ice shows goofing around with the rest of Team Japan.

 

[won0066]

Really? I was clicking on the ticketing site for fun last night and was offered a row 10 (or 11?) seat. I am assuming you did click on "upper bowl $190" instead of "$160" for the lower bowl right? Oh but I only selected for one ticket, so if you were buying multiples, that might be why. But you are right, I've been reading some Japanese tweets about fans just grabbing seats and saying that not sure if they will be able to go but just want to secure a seat for now, so you should be able to get a better seat if you want one.

I can't believe it's been a day since the assignment is out but no one has mentioned that Kanako and Hanyu-san will be both at Skate Canada!! Where are my shippers at?? Haha sorry, it's been a bummer not being able to see Kanako in the recent ice shows goofing around with the rest of Team Japan.

If you go to the site now, the $190 lower bowl is no longer available. Only $160 upper bowl seats left.

 

[SuzyQ]

As to the speaking of Gudetama (lazy egg), me as well lol. and isn’t it kinda funny that I often find something new related to Yuzuru (and other Japanese skaters) very first in this thread (forum).
As thankfully, I kind of depend on the abilities and efforts by overseas fans to help me as always.

Same here :yes:

I used to get the latest inforamtion on figure skating mainly from this blog,

http://skating.livedoor.biz/archives/cat_50028954.html

but the information in this thread frequently pulls ahead of it

But the pages go so quickly recently. I hope my ability to read English has been improved in speed a little bit

 

[firal]

If you go to the site now, the $190 lower bowl is no longer available. Only $160 upper bowl seats left.

holy, looks like I under-estimate the power of fans who were waiting to see the entry list before buying tickets!

 

[Hanmgse]

Really? I was clicking on the ticketing site for fun last night and was offered a row 10 (or 11?) seat. I am assuming you did click on "upper bowl $190" instead of "$160" for the lower bowl right? Oh but I only selected for one ticket, so if you were buying multiples, that might be why. But you are right, I've been reading some Japanese tweets about fans just grabbing seats and saying that not sure if they will be able to go but just want to secure a seat for now, so you should be able to get a better seat if you want one.

I can't believe it's been a day since the assignment is out but no one has mentioned that Kanako and Hanyu-san will be both at Skate Canada!! Where are my shippers at?? Haha sorry, it's been a bummer not being able to see Kanako in the recent ice shows goofing around with the rest of Team Japan.

Can't believe I didn't realize about that!, but what a wonderful news :dance:

 

[shiroKJ]

It is true some Japanese fans have been talking what it would be like if Yuzuru plays Onnagata. I laughed at his comment because it was as if he was listening to our talk
But I learned from his comment this time that he is well aware of his fans requests.

His being dressed as a girl in a show (Yuzuki?) was totally a school boy's joke, and it gave me a kind of relief, but still I cannot throw away some sort of daydream in me. It's funny, but I think lots of you guys would understand what I mean

This is BANDO Tamasaburo, a famous onnagata. Just information for those who are not familiar with Kabuki, and to know what Yuzuru meant. Needless to say, this is a male dancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzixparcRGo

Joking aside, in any case, I was astonished again to know what a clever person he is. He knows very well about himself. About his characteristics, what to sell, what to improve, and what he should do as a skater, and how to spend his skater's life preparing for the next Olympics. He is very rational. And we all know he is a person of passion at the same time. Very complex, but very magnetic.

I want to see NHK, but I have already given up about the ticket. I'm rather the type of Gudetama (lazy egg), and no guts to join the ticket getting battle hwell:

This time, as Yuzuru and Mao will attend, surely it would be more severe than ever.

I've watch s kabuki performance before and really enjoyed it. :thumbsup: Now that he mentioned it, it really would fit

Also I tried backtracking to see if this was posted, but I can't find it so here's a picture of Yuzuru teaching Sota how to do kendama lol

And here is a promo/CF of Yuzu supporting the Japanese national football team

 

[Esopian]

Wow, so the first time in history that all 3 Men's Olympic medalists are competing in a post-season? It's sure going to be exciting!

This thread has been moving super speed since the first summer exhibitions started and when various news came out. :thumbsup: Thanks for posting great discussions and in-depth reasons to why Yuzu got assigned to SC and NHK this year (I honestly wouldn't even think that far into it, lol).

 

[hamaguri]

Thank you everyone, all the updates, information, comments, etc!

Thanks for the video! The A spin...forgot that was part of the program At any rate, the rest of it looks so good!! I know in the past Yuzuru has had a reputation for being noodle-y, so I really feel like this program will do him well. It just overall seems that his limb movements are more controlled and deliberate. Also, I'm hoping that he did something more with the ina bauer this time. Don't get me wrong, I adore his ina bauer, but I'd rather he just take it out than have it as a "here is the climax of the music" type of thing. But I do recall someone saying in a previous post that his ina bauer this time made more sense interpretation-wise, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see!

Yes! SEIMEI’s Ina bauer is definitely one of the notable features.
And I find it a bit thrilling to see how this ina bauer will work for the audience or so during this season .

Joking aside, in any case, I was astonished again to know what a clever person he is. He knows very well about himself. About his characteristics, what to sell, what to improve, and what he should do as a skater, and how to spend his skater's life preparing for the next Olympics. He is very rational. And we all know he is a person of passion at the same time. Very complex, but very magnetic.

I whole-heartedly agree with your assessment of Yuzuru that he knows himself very well, astonishing really because at his age, many people are just discovering themselves and what they want to do with their lives. I read a recent post in another forum where the poster opined that Yuzuru still doesn't know himself and thus his skating artistry is "inauthentic" though he may later develop his artistry. I thought then that it was the poster who doesn't know Yuzuru for if one has followed him closely and read his interviews and seen his progress, it's evident this is a person who has a high degree of self-awareness. And I think "SEIMEI" is proof of that and hopefully will cause the poster to see Yuzuru in a more favorable light.

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I am definitely one of those who are surprised by his cleverness and self-awareness in every time I see his interview. I was like I almost forgotten he is just 20 years old. Imagine, if most of 20 y/o boys (people) are like him, that makes this world much better?! :yes:

Probably Yuzu is much matured than thought. It’s not just a coincidence you chose SEIMEI at this point of his life. I think he truly contemplates his life, his competitive skater life.
It may be another subject, but another thing I admire about him is he knows well that timing is crucial. He always reflects on when he should do something considering all his competitive skater life. (Of course, what upsets his plans could happen at any time, such as last year’s disaster. But he’s taken all of that and kept going further strongly and he will do so also in future) . When he can’t do it right, it becomes difficult for him to get what he wants despite of his ability or talent, like Patrick who failed peaking in Olympic year.
Further, at the beginning of the latest interview, it felt like he said emphatically that he had only three years. He seems to spend fully every day planning out everything deliberately more than ever.

 

[yhmafan]

But the pages go so quickly recently. I hope my ability to read English has been improved in speed a little bit

Please don’t say that to me, you go so far ahead of me when it comes to English!
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@hamaguri, Seems like yuzuru fans know well and are considerate towards him :thumbsup:


btw, I found something funny.

Kabedon-ed by Haku (Spirited Away)

I see no difference.

Another Abe no Seimei image from a video game.

Some fan already imagined and wanted to watch Japanese-ish program last year.

 

[gsyzf]

That, or making the final score more fair. It really doesn't look good if a routine with falls scores way higher than one without. Harsh punishment for URs can also stop skaters from trying quads. IMO the 1 extra negative point for a fall doesn't make that much difference as to discourage skaters from going for them but it makes the final score more fair, and higher UR BV makes more skaters (like Jason or Adam Rippon) go for the quads. UR quads would still get lots of negative GOE to go along with the slightly lower BV so it's not like UR quads are any competition to fully rotated landed quads.

I did think it was possible that the ISU raised the BV of 3T and 3S to reward combination jumps. But if the intention is truly to reward combinations, why were there no increase for the BV of 3Lo? The increase in BV of 3t would discourage the attempts of loop combo. Also, 3S is often used as solo jumps by ladies. So an increase in 3S does not only benefit the 1Lo-3S combo, but also the solo 3S jump. An increase in the BV of 3T also gives more incentives for ladies to try the easier combo 3t-3t in the short program since the deduction for edge call is pretty harsh. Overall, raising the BV of 3t and 3s is not the most effective way to reward combination jumps. It has too many undesirable side effects. There are definitely more effective ways to reward combo without so many discouraging side effects.

Then something else I noticed is that only the BV of UR 4t and 4s are increased. The BV of every other UR triple jumps and quads remain the same (except the BV of UR 3a dropped by 0.1). So I do not believe the ISU raised the BV of UR 4t and 4s because they felt the UR deduction is too harsh in general. If they did think UR deduction is too harsh, they would've lowered the UR deduction for all jumps, instead of just lowering the deduction on two quads. I believe the ISU increased the GOE deduction on quads because they want skaters to jump cleaner quads (due to many complaints). But they are also afraid that a harsher GOE deduction may discourage skaters from attempting quads, so they reduced the deduction for UR to encourage skaters to attempt quads (I don't think they want to see the quad debate again). But the undesirable side effect is it rewards too much for bad technique and may somewhat discourage skaters from investing their time to master good technique. Especially if the tech panel is lenient on UR, then the skaters are even less likely to master good jump technique. This would be unfair for skaters who do invest the time to master good technique.

If you raise the BV of UR 4t and 4s, then you would have to raise the BV of 3t and 3s because the bv of 3t and 3s is the BV of downgraded 4t and 4s. If you don't raise the BV of 3t and 3s, the difference between the deduction for UR and the deduction for downgrade would be too big. (I think it's already too big. I'm more inclined to think this is the reason for the increase in the BV of 3t and 3s.)

Why should 4t and 4s receive less deduction on UR (slightly over 20% loss in BV), when all other jumps receive more harsh deduction on UR (30% loss in BV) and wrong edge (30% loss in BV)? Why is it ok for bad techniques on 4t and 4s to be allowed when bad techniques on all other jumps are penalized harshly? It seems that 4t and 4s receive some favoritism.

 

[gsyzf]

Is the not-skating-close-events a privlige of top skaters? This year Misha Ge has CoC and TEB back to back, and the same was with Han Yan last year... Although it might be because their home base is in China. Hardly seems fair, though.

I think both SA and SC want to invite Denis because Denis is the weakest skater of the top three (based on his past record). In the end, SA won the fight. I think SA's request was honored because they are the host of the next WC. So SC is stuck with Yuzuru, unless SC invites Denis, which means Denis needs to compete at both SA and SC back-to-back. That's really abusing Denis Ten.

I think skaters in general don't want to have competitions so close to each other. I would imagine they would like some time to rest and prepare for the next competition. The least the feds can do to honor top skaters' preferences (even if feds cannot give them the assignment these top skaters want) is to give them grand prix assignments not-so-close to each other. (Lower rank skaters don't have this privilege.)

Ultimately, the grand prix assignment is a strategic game played by the Feds. If Patrick competes at SC in the future, I don't think Yuzu will be invited to SC again in the future. I don't think Yuzu will be invited by SA either. (I think SA will try to invite the weakest skater of the top three skaters.) If Yuzu has to skate at NHK, then COR is out of question as well because it's too close to NHK. So Yuzu is more likely to be sent to COC or TEB in the future. If Yuzu can be released from NHK, COR is also a possibility.

 

[Sorrento]

Why should 4t and 4s receive less deduction on UR (slightly over 20% loss in BV), when all other jumps receive more harsh deduction on UR (30% loss in BV) and wrong edge (30% loss in BV)? Why is it ok for bad techniques on 4t and 4s to be allowed when bad techniques on all other jumps are penalized harshly? It seems that 4t and 4s receive some favoritism.

Do you think it could be like that because many skaters do have these jumps in their pocket, I mean the leaders group at least? Also other jumps like Lutz and Flip receive lots of complaints due to the edge problem therefore they cannot openly favorite the problematic jumps with bigger BV, at least for now?
I see your point when it comes to favoriting the UR, but most of the time leaders don't have lots of UR for 4T and 4S, there are problems on landing them two- footed, stepping out, etc. Do you think that when it comes to bad landing for UR jumps judges could solve the issue with GOE? Meaning that the UR jump gets it's "favorited" BV mark and yet being downgraded with GOE for being poorly executed?

 

[Sorrento]

If Yuzu can be released from NHK, COR is also a possibility.

I think that if Russia will get Yuzu once again it could only be the season 16-17, do not think his Fed will let him skip home event before the Olys.

 

[Interspectator]

I just finished watching the Onmyouji movies and I totally get why Yuzu chose the music from this movie.
Seimei, the main character, has many areas of similarity with Yuzu...and I was laughing the whole time imagining Yuzu living in a Heian fantasy era.

The movie it self is waaay out there in weirdness, magic, demons and tacky gore. If you like that sort of thing, you will love this movie.

The character of Seimei is kind of like a Japanese, supernatural Sherlock Holmes. Very brilliant, mischievous, and afraid of nothing. --Not to mention a epic bromance with his bestie throughout both movies.

 

[Lindacrow]

Ive just watched the Junior Worlds 2015 now, and im watching Sota's FS with CBC commentary. The first 20 seconds Kurt says: "better hope Yuzuru Hanyu is watching cause he stuck into his closet and took one of his old costumes...and some of his old moves." oh is Sota's fanboy that clear that commentators make the connection

http://youtu.be/Fkh_4rtt-B0

 

[matmuh]

I just finished watching the Onmyouji movies and I totally get why Yuzu chose the music from this movie.
Seimei, the main character, has many areas of similarity with Yuzu...and I was laughing the whole time imagining Yuzu living in a Heian fantasy era.

The movie it self is waaay out there in weirdness, magic, demons and tacky gore. If you like that sort of thing, you will love this movie.

The character of Seimei is kind of like a Japanese, supernatural Sherlock Holmes. Very brilliant, mischievous, and afraid of nothing. --Not to mention a epic bromance with his bestie throughout both movies.

not to mention he is very wise and loves to tease

 

[Maria Victoria]

I can't believe it's been a day since the assignment is out but no one has mentioned that Kanako and Hanyu-san will be both at Skate Canada!! Where are my shippers at?? Haha sorry, it's been a bummer not being able to see Kanako in the recent ice shows goofing around with the rest of Team Japan.

You called? (Comes running) Well this time around as to cute YuzuKana interaction I will be cautious and keep my expectations low. For instance at last year's NHK, it seems Yuzuru's cute interaction was not with Kanako but with Domo-kun and the little girl who gave him the flower in his gala exhibition. I have high hopes though for cute interaction between Kanako and Shoma at TEB.

It’s not just a coincidence you chose SEIMEI at this point of his life. I think he truly contemplates his life, his competitive skater life.
It may be another subject, but another thing I admire about him is he knows well that timing is crucial. He always reflects on when he should do something considering all his competitive skater life. (Of course, what upsets his plans could happen at any time, such as last year’s disaster. But he’s taken all of that and kept going further strongly and he will do so also in future) . When he can’t do it right, it becomes difficult for him to get what he wants despite of his ability or talent, like Patrick who failed peaking in Olympic year.
Further, at the beginning of the latest interview, it felt like he said emphatically that he had only three years. He seems to spend fully every day planning out everything deliberately more than ever.

Well said. I think Yuzuru is doing all he can to shorten the odds of winning a second Olympics gold medal in his favor. I am praying he will win it with a best (peak) performance.

btw, I found something funny.

Kabedon-ed by Haku (Spirited Away)

I see no difference.

Another Abe no Seimei image from a video game.

Some fan already imagined and wanted to watch Japanese-ish program last year.

Thanks for the links. It seems his new LP is firing up the creative imagination of the fandom.

More fan art: https://36.media.tumblr.com/f890a136a056e77a0107f74bfa8b922d/tumblr_nq2qaaBK5k1tgv2vvo1_500.jpg

And this is a video of "'Seimei' Hanyu Yuzuru watercolour speedpaint": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiXjW5ax080

I just finished watching the Onmyouji movies and I totally get why Yuzu chose the music from this movie.
Seimei, the main character, has many areas of similarity with Yuzu...and I was laughing the whole time imagining Yuzu living in a Heian fantasy era.

The movie it self is waaay out there in weirdness, magic, demons and tacky gore. If you like that sort of thing, you will love this movie.

The character of Seimei is kind of like a Japanese, supernatural Sherlock Holmes. Very brilliant, mischievous, and afraid of nothing. --Not to mention a epic bromance with his bestie throughout both movies.

Sounds like my kind of movie. Will definitely try to watch it before the season starts.

 

[skatefan22]

I can't believe it's been a day since the assignment is out but no one has mentioned that Kanako and Hanyu-san will be both at Skate Canada!! Where are my shippers at?? Haha sorry, it's been a bummer not being able to see Kanako in the recent ice shows goofing around with the rest of Team Japan.

I realized that immediately. Kanako will join THE ICE. She is on the list.

Doesn’t this girl in Onmyoji look like Kanako? LOL

 

[mysticice]

Ultimately, the grand prix assignment is a strategic game played by the Feds.

gsyzf, you are probably right. It must take some serious math or I find the assignments for Javier and Denis total opposites than I thought they would be. This is how I imagine the GP-meeting went...

Chairman: Anyone representing Javier? No? No one? Seriously? Are the Spanish representatives still having lunch? Fine. Anyone representing Yuzuru?

JSF: Here! We invite him to NHK and he would like the other one to be SC.

SC: Fine by us. Nothing's better than a little competion in a competition.

Chairman: Done. Anyone representing Denis?

Kazakhstanian Fed (and someone knowing his coach): Here! SA and TEB would work best for him (and his coach).

SA: What a pleasant surprise.

TEB: Whatever.

Chairman: Ok. Done. So, that leaves Javi with CoR and CoC. The two places that are as far away from Toronto as possible. Now, let's make sure he makes it to GPF.

Me: Just make sure Yuzuru makes it to the GPF!