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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

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So that's why he didn't show up at morning practice yesterday, he was training at the TCC.
There is this thing, so Orser wants Yuzuru to go slowly, maybe not doing 4 quads right away and only add another quad by WC? But it is not easy to master such layout, he needs time. If he brings 4 quad layout 6 months later then he still has to endure the inconsistent time anyway.
 
There is this thing, so Orser wants Yuzuru to go slowly, maybe not doing 4 quads right away and only add another quad by WC? But it is not easy to master such layout, he needs time. If he brings 4 quad layout 6 months later then he still has to endure the inconsistent time anyway.

Not necessarily. If he is on top of his game physically he can add another quad and land it right away - see NHK last year. Orser propably is talking about pacing his physical preparation, while Hanyu just wants to go 100% right away for Skate Canada.

I was thinking too, that maybe better will be to do 3 diffrent quads for olympics and he will win it, but seeing recently as judges are going crazy with goes and pcs's I think it's better to go for this 4 quads, lol.
 
I wonder if I'll read one article where Brian Orser does not irritate the hell out of me. Probably not.

Lately, I really feel like you. Orser should be nothing but proud to have someone like Yuzuru, an already accomplished athlete willing to push the boundaries even more instead that just "stick around with what he already can do".
 
Lately, I really feel like you. Orser should be nothing but proud to have someone like Yuzuru, an already accomplished athlete willing to push the boundaries even more instead that just "stick around with what he already can do".

After that serious injury he held last season, I get where this is coming from. Orser wants him to peak at Worlds and the biggest obstacle for that has always been injuries. But Yuzuru's stance is understandable, specially coming from him and given how much the technical aspect of the sport has advanced in the last couple of years. I think it's important that Orser understands and respects his decision (he showed he did), even if he would have chosen something different himself.
 
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Not necessarily. If he is on top of his game physically he can add another quad and land it right away - see NHK last year. Orser propably is talking about pacing his physical preparation, while Hanyu just wants to go 100% right away for Skate Canada.

I was thinking too, that maybe better will be to do 3 diffrent quads for olympics and he will win it, but seeing recently as judges are going crazy with goes and pcs's I think it's better to go for this 4 quads, lol.

Well, actually, doing 3 type of quads compared to doing 4 quads with one repeat of 1 type of quad only has a BV difference of 3 point something (because you can do an extra triple if you don't repeat quads). I think the same too, seems like from interview he is eager to be perfect all the time and I am keen to think with his layout it is going to be a bit impossible. I do think the increase in difficulty is out of this world this season. Not only that he has to get used to a new type of quad in competition (4Lo), he has to adjust his stamina for doing 4-quad LP too. I hope he will be patient. he will get there, slow an steady.
 
I was thinking too, that maybe better will be to do 3 diffrent quads for olympics and he will win it, but seeing recently as judges are going crazy with goes and pcs's I think it's better to go for this 4 quads, lol.

One person who should never be forgotten is Patrick Chan, who is doing 3 quads for the first time for his FS now at SC. He looked very good yesterday. Three quads is not enough now (ETA I mean this season) more than likely, at the OG it certainly won't be.

I don't think it's that simple as saying he has three quads so one more will just fall on top. All these jumps affect the body differently and cumulatively and the balance of the program shifts. I wouldn't be surprised if we see further changes to this once he gets used to the 4 quads, as in numbers, and if I were to guess, that may be his intention.

I think Yuzuru is doing exactly what he should be doing, even if this entire season, including the World's is a bust. I love that he's got this independence to his thought, with all the risk that it carries. And come the OG I think we'll find that 4 quads won't be something that only one or two people will be doing. Then on top of that, there is definitely over-inflation of the PCS scores so where do you find the differences to snatch that gold? The times, they are very, very interesting and playing it safe is more risky IMO.
 
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/10/28/207396238 New article on icenetwork about Yuzu, quoting Brian words.
Oh boy
Orser could've been diplomatic enough not to blab how his own pupil can't actually jump 4 quads in LP even at practice.
And surely not to brag about Javi and how he can jump everything, even 4Lo, but apparently is too lazy to do it at competitions.
Seem's like Javi' PR again from Orser. Honestly, I'm tired of it since last year :sarcasm:
 
Oh boy
Orser could've been diplomatic enough not to blab how his own pupil can't actually jump 4 quads in LP even at practice.

But he actually han do it :think: He did it at AC practice and yesterday too ( with only one step from 4S)
 
Oh boy
Orser could've been diplomatic enough not to blab how his own pupil can't actually jump 4 quads in LP even at practice.
And surely not to brag about Javi and how he can jump everything, even 4Lo, but apparently is too lazy to do it at competitions.
Seem's like Javi' PR again from Orser. Honestly, I'm tired of it since last year :sarcasm:
Well actually Yuzuru was clean in practice with 4 quad layout for sure. Because if he couldn't skate it clean in practice, no coach would allow him to bring it to competition.
 
"Olympic champ goes against coach's wishes"

what's the point in declaring worldwide a thing like that a bunch of hours before the first competition of the season?
 
Oh boy
Orser could've been diplomatic enough not to blab how his own pupil can't actually jump 4 quads in LP even at practice.

He landed 4 quad cleanly at Autumn classic day 1 practice. Granted, it was not a full run-through, but he can. That's why I have very little doubt that one day he will do so in competition, maybe not this week, but later along the season.
 
I don't think it's laziness from Javi. It's one thing to be able to land a quad and another to do it in the middle of a well packed LP. What I sensed from Brian it's a kind of frustation that both Yuzuru and Javi are doing what they think it's better, going against his wishes.
Anyway, my heart is divided between those two (don't kill me ;) ) and hope they both have a great season we can enjoy, without injuries or anything bad

Oh boy
Orser could've been diplomatic enough not to blab how his own pupil can't actually jump 4 quads in LP even at practice.
And surely not to brag about Javi and how he can jump everything, even 4Lo, but apparently is too lazy to do it at competitions.
Seem's like Javi' PR again from Orser. Honestly, I'm tired of it since last year :sarcasm:
 
Hanyu can land quad lutz, but it doesn't mean he can land it with proper consistency to execute in program
 
What I sensed from Brian it's a kind of frustation that both Yuzuru and Javi are doing what they think it's better, going against his wishes.

Actually, Fernandez is doing what Orser advocates: stick with your layout and push for GOEs and PCS. This is the strategy that led Yuna to win the Olympic (against Mao and her 3Axels programs); what I sensed is frustration that Yuzuru won't stick to this path but follow his own.
 
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