2021-22 Russian Nationals: Women's SP

[jenaj]

I will not get over the incredulous score fixing that lets Kamila’s just absolutely ugly change edge combo get +4/+5 GOE almost all across the board, or her I-spin which is obviously traveling in the overhead shot get a +5 GOE from all but two judges, who gave it a +4. The cameraman even took the angle off because of how obvious it was. It’s just insane judging that is such a disservice to Anna and Sofia M. and to Adelia who has such incredible spins also. And then to call it out is met with “lol y u hate 15 yo” like there just isn’t obscene and blatant scoring inconsistencies that favor her. Over it. Over skating.

Valieva's GOE (and PCS) are ridiculous. She's good, no doubt, but not the gold standard that her scores would suggest. Her program is sleepy and her jump elements, though very clean, are not particularly impressive otherwise. She doesn't have the 3lutz of a Yuna Kim, for example, or the 3A of a Midori Ito (or Wakaba Higuchi, for that matter). Seeing another skater at this event with her same content was eye-opening. It is hard to justify the huge disparity in scoring, in my opinion.

 

[Alegria]

I don't think, that Liza lost all her chances. I think, that tomorrow will be a tough day for all girls and we will see surprises.
And, of course, late deductions can help

 

[Minz]

I though that the rule was if you are late then you are disqualified…

I read once that Jeremy Abbot almost got disqualified from nationals because he didn’t realize 30 seconds had almost passed.

If that’s the case then it’s very lucky that this was caught late…

 

[Alegria]

I though that the rule was if you are late then you are disqualified…

I read once that Jeremy Abbot almost got disqualified from nationals because he didn’t realize 30 seconds had almost passed.

If that’s the case then it’s very lucky that this was caught late…

No, it's not true. I mean 30 seconds are not enough to be disqualified. More then 60 seconds are enough.

 

[Azikin]

Trusova today failed in an element that he does not need (3A) to be on the podium of the Olympics, instead Tuktamysheva and Khromykh failed in basic things and very necessary for them ... regularity and consistency is what the federation considers most for choose your third place.

Sure, Khromykh's international results this year are an epitome of inconsistency... everything will be decided tomorrow, they all have very good chance..

 

[PaulE]

I just managed to watch the first two groups of the women. I would like to say thank you to all the ladies for such great skates and such a nice Christmas Eve gift. Thank you to whomever managed to burn sage or incense and pretty well keep the rink monster happy. Thank you to Ted Barton. Thank you to Russian TV for everything except the infernal skycam .

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Why is it that the programmes I am enjoying the most are slotting in well down the order?!

CaroLiza_fan

Now that I have caught up, I have to declare that my favourite programme of the whole event so far was in the Ladies SP. And it has gone into penultimate position!

Although 17th out of 18 sounds bad, Arina is actually only 4.77 points off 12th place. So, she could actually move up a few places if she has a good FS.

After such an enjoyble SP, I am really looking forward to seeing what she brings us in the FS.

WELL DONE ARINA!!!

CaroLiza_fan

 

[prorussian fan]

Valieva's GOE (and PCS) are ridiculous. She's good, no doubt, but not the gold standard that her scores would suggest. Her program is sleepy and her jump elements, though very clean, are not particularly impressive otherwise. She doesn't have the 3lutz of a Yuna Kim, for example, or the 3A of a Midori Ito (or Wakaba Higuchi, for that matter). Seeing another skater at this event with her same content was eye-opening. It is hard to justify the huge disparity in scoring, in my opinion.

Do you really discuss the scores of this competition? They are RUSSIAN NATIONALS, they can even give 10 if they want, it is their skating party. It's like seeing Yuzuru and Kaori's scores in Japanese Nationals or Nathan and Alysa in the USA Nationals...

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Merry Christmas!

Just had time to catch up! Exciting event!

Kamila was wonderful, and Plushys skaters was another highlight for me!

Very sad for Liza, my heart breaks for her. She had a wonderful season until now, but National seems to be a big problem for her. I think she looked very visible nervous before her skate.... Mishin looked extremely sad during Sofias skate.

I´m wondering if Trusova will have back all her quads in tomorrows program or not.

 

[lariko]

They ‘rescored’ Murav’yeva to move her into 3rd. More Alternative Reality judging efforts.

 

[jenaj]

Do you really discuss the scores of this competition? They are RUSSIAN NATIONALS, they can even give 10 if they want, it is their skating party. It's like seeing Yuzuru and Kaori's scores in Japanese Nationals or Nathan and Alysa in the USA Nationals...

Why didn’t Sofia M. get inflated scores, since it was Nationals? Or do only the “chosen ones” benefit?

 

[RatedPG]

I just finished watching the event.

Kamila - Solid as always. Loved her 3A. She deserves to be in first place. But, was overscored. Rooting for her to place in the top 2 and solidify her Olympic spot.
Anna - To me, she is the best performer. She is also such a fighter. Loved that fight to land the loop in the combo. To me, the lutz loop combo is an ultra-c element. I’m rooting for her to do well enough in the free skate. She is 17 and really deserves a spot in the Olympic Team given her four solid seasons in a row, including this one.
Sofia M. - My favourite skater was a star today. She fought to learn that 3A and landed it here beautifully. She deserved second place here. Not sure about that time deduction. Kind of makes me mad to hear the booing of Anna’s score as they thought she should have been placed over Sofia and then all of a suddenly, they revert the placements. I’m hoping this only fuels her for the free skate. Which, I’m nervous about. Because in her last event, she nailed the SP, but, crumbled with the 3A and 4S in the free skate. I’m hoping for a top 5 finish here to make a statement.
Sofia S - My second favourite was also so solid. She landed that 3A and I’m just happy she has put this camp in the picture. Rooting for her to end up in the top 6 tomorrow.
Trusova - What a fighter. I loved that she went for the 3A and even though, she fell, I loved the fight at the end with her lutz toe loop combination. Before this event, I was torn between Elizaveta and her. But, now, I’m solidly throwing all my support behind Trusova
Adeliya - Lovely performance. I love this program and loved her fight and determination to tag on the 3T at the end. That is what fighters do. I just wish they kept the free skate from last year. That was a gem of a program.

I’m really happy with the final group. I think the three senior skaters there are the most solid and hoping they hang on to their Olympic spots now. Also, for the juniors, these three are my favourite skaters from Russia and all turning Senior next year. Unless, something changes, right now, Sofia M. has two spots in Senior GP with Adeliya having one spot and Sofia S. not having any spots. That is why I root for these three skaters. Of course, with retirements and injuries, this may change. But, these three skaters represent each of their camps nicely and I welcome them to the Senior Circuit next year, if they can breakthrough.

As for the rest of the skates,

Elizaveta - She crumbled here. Like last year, she placed 7th. She was lucky to get a Worlds spot last year and a silver medal at Worlds was her prize. When it comes to Russian Nationals, she just gets too nervous. While I appreciate longevity, her inflated scores are becoming annoying to me. She just doesn’t have the skating skills and with the performance she put on today, does she really deserve to be this high. Higher than Anastasia Z. And Kseniia S. The Russian federation is pulling hard for her. So, now, I’m in favour of Trusova.

Maia K. - She just doesn’t seem to handle and seize the opportunities given to her. She was also over scored for the performance she displayed out there. She shouldn’t even be ahead of Sofia Samo. I didn’t like how Eteri scolded her after her skate. That was scary to watch. But, now, she has a chance to skate the free skate of her life as an under dog. But, even, if she pulls out an extreme performance with 4Ts and a 4S, I just don’t trust her that much to make it to the podium at the Olympics.

Last comment here, is to add that I thought VS (2nd skater) was under scored and same with VY (4th skater); These two were my favourite performances out of the bottom group and I’m hoping they do well enough with their free skates to finish in the top 12. I liked VY a lot.

 

[prorussian fan]

Why didn’t Sofia M. get inflated scores, since it was Nationals? Or do only the “chosen ones” benefit?

Because they have to push the favorites to the Olympic podium! Sofia is not even eligible for age, plus for being a junior she was judged generously. If she broke a time rule, the deduction is fair, which I also do not see how it benefits Anna in something that tomorrow will consolidate her place in the team.

 

[RatedPG]

Because they have to push the favorites to the Olympic podium! Sofia is not even eligible for age, plus for being a junior she was judged generously. If she broke a time rule, the deduction is fair, which I also do not see how it benefits Anna in something that tomorrow will consolidate her place in the team.

But, these Juniors also need to do well here to prove themselves for selection to Senior Grand Prix next year. Did you see how Anastasia Z. was in tears . She skated the best SP she could skate and is sandwiched in between two skaters who underperformed and were way worse than her. I had no complaints watching the Japanese events. But, with Russia, OMG

 

[nipman]

Poor Liza. She really wants to go to Beijing and that made her nervous. The fall is acceptable but that 2T costed her too much. Now Trusova could skate a 1-quad FP and still beat her.

 

[karina17]

James\Radford lost a whole spin at IDF due to a system malfunction,
And the panel couldn't fix the score after the event despite admitting to it
I guess because this is a Nationals they can be more flexible
If someone powerful enough is going after it

I looked it up because I was curious. For international events, at least, the ISU says this:

Protests against results are permitted only in the case of incorrect mathematical calculation. A wrong identification of an element or of a level of difficulty, although it results in a lower or higher score is not an incorrect mathematical calculation.

And then says there is an exception to this rule, but the mistake has to be brought to attention in time:

Prior to the beginning of the award ceremony (or prior to the official
announcement of results if there is no award ceremony), that a wrong data input by the Data Operator occurred, provided the Technical Controller and both Technical Specialists agree that
there was an input error. For the purpose of this Rule, the presentation of the medals for Short Program/Rhythm Dance is considered as an award ceremony.

Or:

Within 24 hours after the award ceremony that an incorrect mathematical calculation occurred, provided the Technical Controller and both Technical Specialists agree that there was
such an incorrect calculation. If such correction leads to changes in the final placements, the corresponding medals and/or awards shall be redistributed accordingly.

I don't know what year James and Radford lost their spin or how it happened (like if it was a level or what), but it looks like if it was brought up too late (24 hours after the awards ceremony), then they can't do anything about it. That's kind of sad.

I don't think RusNats gives out short program medals until after the free program, so internationally they would probably have been in the clear for the Sofia M thing. Also, Sofia's wasn't a lost level, it was just a deduction and that might have been considered a mathematical error under the first bit.

 

[LiamForeman]

Why didn’t Sofia M. get inflated scores, since it was Nationals? Or do only the “chosen ones” benefit?

You know, I started to "get" Sofia M two years ago. Everything seemed to be wrong except she was sharp, crisp, and paid attention to detail. am not at all surprised she is having this success. I was surprised Eteri didn't summon her. Sofia M is the real deal in skating for years. So get used to it.

 

[apgold]

Other than Liza, are there any competitors here who are over

You know, I started to "get" Sofia M two years ago. Everything seemed to be wrong except she was sharp, crisp, and paid attention to detail. am not at all surprised she is having this success. I was surprised Eteri didn't summon her. Sofia M is the real deal in skating for years. So get used to it.

I love SM, she skates so maturely for a junior and there is something compelling about her, you can tell she feels her music.

I hope she has a long career and stays with AoP, they seem to be really developing her into something special.

It's a shame about the time deduction but since she isn't eligible for the team, I'm not going to worry about it. It would be amazing if she snuck into the podium tomorrow but she's got stiff competition.

 

[readernick]

Honestly, I like all the junior Sofias. They are all amazing skaters with amazing quality. However, Sofia A and Sofia S have always been standouts. Sofia M has made huge strides this year. So, props to her and her team. It's amazing that she makes me like her programs so much despite her terrible music choices. I would have her within a few points of Valieva and far far above Anna. But, she is a junior so she isn't going to get that treatment. Sofia S. And Sofia M. do share one small weakness which is their posture. It doesn't standout here but against Sofeya A whose posture is , it does.

 

[Thrashergurl]

So it’s not okay for them to give a junior skater generously higher scores, yet last year and in previous years they rewarded Eteri’s younger skaters? Didn’t the 3A crush everyone at their senior National debut? And didn’t Kamila beat all but Anna?

Seems the federation won’t allow Anna to be beaten by a junior. Not a good look.