I see both sides here. Once you break down his comments, there are certainly... issues... with Averbukh's interview (over-blaming of Yulia, obvious comments like she doesn't like grunt work--who does?, not acknowledging his own contribution to her bad season). However, I don't think he's intentionally trying to discredit Yulia. At least, that's not the tone I got from Laybackspinster's translation. He acknowledges Yulia's dedication, and Eteri's busy schedule. I think it's just poor phrasing and bad timing on his part, rather than malice.
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I can only speak for myself but I think Ilya owed a bit of a debt to Yulia for the summer shows. Sure she benefitted too but I think he could have done more to have her prepared. It's true she maybe should have found someone new this season but she wanted him and I guess I feel with the success she helped him gain...maybe a little extra from his end, while it shouldn't be expected, would have been fair. I was bummed on him in September.
It's not a big deal to change choreographers and I hope she doesn't work with him anytime soon. It's his loss IMO.
I'm more concerned with her next jump coach. Please let it be plushy on a part time basis...oh please.
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There is something called moral obligation, even in business cruz.
If I ask you to do a work for me, as a Pro. and you say yes, I would expect you keep your word and you find the time. So, it's no wonder that some may feel he neglected her on this occasion. People were complaining about this since summer. It's not new, and by the way I do not see a cause for drama just because some criticise Ilya on this either. I'm saying this as someone who very much appreciated his work for her, this season included.
If you really can't see where is the opportunism here, and if you think that media is not a powerful tool that you don't benefit from it. Well, I don't know what it is, then. But maybe that's just me being too cynical or suspicious here. I say this in all honesty. It can very well be that I'm reading too much into it.
However, at best, this is poor timing and bad taste. No doubt about that.
There are many Yulia fans. Generalising them just because few criticise Ilya is quite ridiculous.
I criticised Eteri as well, for her very bad timing and attitude when she spoke out loud - saying right things by the way - before the RN. She must've gained hate from Yulia's fans too, I suppose.
Who is talking about a disaster here? First of all we don't know if she is going to change the coach, or the club. Even if she is, we don't know who this coach is going to be. Last but not least it might be much better for her anyway. We are discussing and there are many links and news of speculations, therefore the confusion and for some maybe a bad feeling. What's so strange about it? Should we discuss now what she's got for breakfast? What she's wearing? Is she studying enough? Is she checking her social media, and how many times/at what time the does that (another late interest for some it seems
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Well, yes she is. That's a well known fact.
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Did anyone else see on Yulia's fan page that someone asked Tarasova if Yulia requested to train with her? My translator showed her response as "I'm in America now" and "do not call me with such gossip" 
Is it just me or is this all becoming a bit comical. I just hope they don't burn the
Is it just me or is this all becoming a bit comical. I just hope they don't burn the
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So that was Tat's response?Did anyone else see on Yulia's fan page that someone asked Tarasova if Yulia requested to train with her? My translator showed her response as "I'm in America now" and "do not call me with such gossip"
Is it just me or is this all becoming a bit comical. I just hope they don't burn the
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According to Yulia's fan page and my translator.. :yes:...that was Tat's response. 
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Yes, she denied it yesterday. Though, I don't know whom to believe in this story anyway, and I wouldn't hurry to relax about it :scowl: As many people point out, it was the same with I/K, everybody denied everything up to the last moment...Did anyone else see on Yulia's fan page that someone asked Tarasova if Yulia requested to train with her? My translator showed her response as "I'm in America now" and "do not call me with such gossip"
would you tell that to yulia? because yulia is absolutely sticking it to eteri by firing her. remember yulia is eteri's star pupil. i don't think yulia would do this if eteri didn't offend yulia. yulia is a girl with a fierce sense of loyalty.
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So you think Eteri offended Yulia with everything that she did for her, especially this season?
I love Yulia as well and this won't change. She is the only skater dor me who I will keep following even if she does sth really stupid.
But she is also a 16 year old child who grew up in a Glass House. Her mom, her Ice, her skating team. End of the story (exaggerated).
How was she ever supposed to really develop a great sense for things like these difficult human interactions that are happening right now?
You know Adelina, Elena, Evgenia etc... and don't think you can compare them to Yulia in this aspect. I think this situation is really hard for her handle especially cause she's out if control and her glass house is breaking, suddenly so many people and things coming in, that started in Sochi.
I wouldn't be surprised and wouldn't blame her if the "fault" for this split/issues lies with her, not Eteri.
What she would need now is her mother. She has been described as " very strict and pushing her" but I hope these are exaggerations.
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Reading these comments was both enlightening and sad. Some people seem to believe that in any conflict the blame only lies on one side. And that it's possible to avoid conflicts as such in the course of one's life.
First, when Ilya Averbukh was speaking of Yulia about to leave Eteri (or rather, figure skating) before, he was referring to the 2012-2013 season, which proved to be a difficult one for the skater. Eteri has mentioned it before - so I don't see why people should think Ilya's lying.
Second, I think Ilya has every right to say what he thinks about Yulia. I don't like the fuss about Yulia's problems and choices now - I only think it makes the conflict worse than anything, but once he got asked whether such a situation is feasible, he answered honestly that it is. And he explained why - and explained why it'll be very hard for any coach apart from Eteri to work with Yulia.
Yulia's an incredibly talented and beautiful skater. A natural prodigy. She can do things no one else can, but surely, like for every single person on this earth, there are things she can still work on, there are some weaknesses. What's so wrong about mentioning those - those get mentioned so often anyway? Yulia's also strong-minded, stubborn, slightly wilful even, she's ambitious, she's undergoing an emotional upheaval - and she's 16. She isn't at the best age to handle conflicts, and what's worse, this close attention of the media makes it worse for her and for Eteri to work it out - if they can still sort it out, of course. If not, I wish both of them best luck - but I won't just put the blame on Eteri or Yulia. Or Ilya.
Yulia could do with help from psychologists now.
First, when Ilya Averbukh was speaking of Yulia about to leave Eteri (or rather, figure skating) before, he was referring to the 2012-2013 season, which proved to be a difficult one for the skater. Eteri has mentioned it before - so I don't see why people should think Ilya's lying.
Second, I think Ilya has every right to say what he thinks about Yulia. I don't like the fuss about Yulia's problems and choices now - I only think it makes the conflict worse than anything, but once he got asked whether such a situation is feasible, he answered honestly that it is. And he explained why - and explained why it'll be very hard for any coach apart from Eteri to work with Yulia.
Yulia's an incredibly talented and beautiful skater. A natural prodigy. She can do things no one else can, but surely, like for every single person on this earth, there are things she can still work on, there are some weaknesses. What's so wrong about mentioning those - those get mentioned so often anyway? Yulia's also strong-minded, stubborn, slightly wilful even, she's ambitious, she's undergoing an emotional upheaval - and she's 16. She isn't at the best age to handle conflicts, and what's worse, this close attention of the media makes it worse for her and for Eteri to work it out - if they can still sort it out, of course. If not, I wish both of them best luck - but I won't just put the blame on Eteri or Yulia. Or Ilya.
Yulia could do with help from psychologists now.
The problem became so noisy that went beyond skating. Now to decide other people. They already explained CSKA and all about figures that if they really want to say something, evil, stimulating, they'd better put your tongue to yourself in the anus and keep it until such a desire will disappear. Hence the reaction Tarasova. But now we have to explain this again and Averbukh.Did anyone else see on Yulia's fan page that someone asked Tarasova if Yulia requested to train with her? My translator showed her response as "I'm in America now" and "do not call me with such gossip"
Is it just me or is this all becoming a bit comical. I just hope they don't burn the
i see what i did wrong here. i said i think yulia must have felt offended by something eteri did, but i neglected to add that yulia probably wasn't offended by everything eteri did. its impossible to have a nuanced conversation in an online text board, as people will mischaracterize your words, then criticize you for having said such a thing, which you didn't really say. the "black or white" "with us or against us" logic is too pervasive. for instance, to express an opinion critical of certain qualities of eteri is to "blame her entirely" and is therefore "disgraceful." this is what wars are made of. we'll never learn. i really shouldn't even be typing this. shouldn't we be "gushing?"
anyways here is a russian fs news site which no one ever links...
http://fs66.ru/figurenews.htm
they have good access to russian skaters & have several brief items everyday
Vaitsekhovskaya wrote a great commentary on this, and her message applies to many posters in this thread as well. Yes, Yulia is only 16, but you can't treat her like a china doll, she's an athlete & a competitor and when things aren't working out, you have to take responsibility for it yourself.
Anyway, Simonenko writes today that it's just all a misunderstanding, she's on a break and although Tarasova offered for her to move to CSKA, she is not going anywhere.
Anyway, Simonenko writes today that it's just all a misunderstanding, she's on a break and although Tarasova offered for her to move to CSKA, she is not going anywhere.
This could have been written by Yulia. She has said repeatedly that she is misinterpreted and then has to justify her remarks, that this is the source of endless stress which robs her of life. Sam, this will be comical only if she is now able to laugh at it, unlike last year. The main issue for me is not whether Ilya was right or wrong, professional or unprofessional. He knows Yulia so he should never have spoken, except perhaps to defend her as would Eteri. Eteri is one of two anchors in Yulia's life. He knew his remarks would stir things up in the public, especially among the press. So he has intentionally struck Yulia where she is most vulnerable. It is Orwellian. It seems the only one he doesn't care about is Yulia.
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