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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

I think men’s programs are a lot riskier than ladies’ program. The COP mens’ programs are technically much more demanding and have much more risk than 6.0 programs. That’s why you can’t find any male skater today who is going to skate flawless all the time. There is a tradeoff between taking more risk and being consistent. It’s easier to be consistent if you skate to an easier program. So I don’t think you can directly compare the men’s consistency with ladies’ consistency. And I don't think you can directly compare the COP men's consistency with 6.0 men's consistency either. Right now, there are more consistent female skaters than male skaters, e.g. the Russian ladies. But would that automatically mean the male skaters are all mentally weaker than the ladies? IMO, not necessarily. If all the ladies are doing triple axel or quads and also do thousands of transitions in between, I wonder how many of them can be consistent.

Yes, I completely agree about the technnical difference about both disciplines, it's the reason of why men isn't as consistent as ladies. At the same time, every skater plans their own content, they decide how they are playing their game, so they know that they can execute everything, just like Yuzuru had both clean SP and FS practice sessions at GPF for example, his clean FS practice at Olympics, etc, but of course at the actual competition it's completely different. We see clean competitions from men skaters now too, just not as frequently as we see with the ladies. And we also see meltdowns from ladies, even if their technnical content is less, so it goes both ways.
 
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I think men’s programs are a lot riskier than ladies’ program. The COP mens’ programs are technically much more demanding and have much more risk than 6.0 programs. That’s why you can’t find any male skater today who is going to skate flawless all the time. There is a tradeoff between taking more risk and being consistent. It’s easier to be consistent if you skate to an easier program. So I don’t think you can directly compare the men’s consistency with ladies’ consistency. And I don't think you can directly compare the COP men's consistency with 6.0 men's consistency either. Right now, there are more consistent female skaters than male skaters, e.g. the Russian ladies. But would that automatically mean the male skaters are all mentally weaker than the ladies? IMO, not necessarily. If all the ladies are doing triple axel or quads and also do thousands of transitions in between, I wonder how many of them can be consistent.

Thank you for putting it the way you did. We all saw what happened with Liza when she decided to throw her Triple A. Her virtually infallible program this season basically fell apart.
 
Yes, I completely agree about the technnical difference about both disciplines, it's the reason of why men isn't as consistent as ladies. At the same time, every skater plans their own content, they decide how they are playing their game, so they know that they can execute everything, just like Yuzuru had both clean SP and FS practice sessions at GPF for example, his clean FS practice at Olympics, etc, but of course at the actual competition it's completely different. We see clean competitions from men skaters now too, just not as frequently as we see with the ladies. And we also see meltdowns from ladies, even if their technnical content is less, so it goes both ways.


I think a fair comparison would be comparing the skaters in the same discipline, taking into account of the program difficulty/risk.

Among the male skaters, I would consider Yuzu the more consistent, if not the most consistent skater among the current skaters, and he has the most difficult program and had to deliver under much bigger pressure than other skaters. So to me, that’s enough evidence to show that he has mental strength.

Among the current ladies, both Elena and Liza have been consistent this season, and their program difficulties are similar (or Elena has a more difficult program, right? If Elena’s programs are more difficult, I would say Elena’s consistency is more impressive than Liza’s.) If Liza includes the 3A and is consistent with her program, then I would say Liza’s consistency is more impressive than Elena’s. If Liza includes the 3A and as a result makes more mistakes, then my conclusion is it’s inconclusive.
 
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For me there's no consistency more 'impressive' than another in regards to Liza and Elena, every consistency in anything is valuable because they are completing what they set to do, considering that both are doing their jobs at very similar positions, but anyway,it diverts from the topic of Yuzuru.

I don't think we can evaluate properly Yuzuru's consistency this season because of the situations he has been through and how they affected his performances. What I see is that he has a history of doing better late at the season, much like Denis Ten, and that's the only pattern that happened again even if this season was a complete anomaly.
 
Well, so worry now. Because when someone say "not perfect" or "not 100%", it seldom means "ok" or "90%". Actually it refers to "50%" "not so good" or better "acceptable". Last time at NHK there were an announcement like this, and we all could see that he was really not at good level.
Hope he can make the choice for his health and don't push too hard.

Welcome, and I agree with you homeshadow. This news seems to point at him being far from a good condition. I feel badly for him because as he struggles to get better, this huge competition looms in front of him. He's spent the season hurt and away from his training base and coach. There are gigantic posters of him everywhere, advertising his greatness along with magnified expectations to be great. Insane pressure. I can't even begin to imagine what he is going through.

I don't care what placement he gets in this competition...I care that he feels happy with what he was able to do when it's all over. This painful season in my opinion is a result of JSF pushing him, taking advantage of his accomplishments and his kind heart. I hope they've learned their lesson. :disapp:
 
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Well, this makes me feel better. It seems he's doing "alright". I think we just need to take a step back and realize that Yuzu isn't completely clueless to skating. And while it's obviously different without having a coach physically there, I trust he knows what he needs to work on and focus on to some extent (which it seems he does, based on the article). Hopefully he's only doing what he needs to - and can - do and not push too hard. At this point, it's more important for him to make it through this final competition without injury, even if that means not winning or even medalling; longevity is more important than this World Championships, which I think he understands too. :)
 
Quotes from Orser, hot off the press:

Where is Yuzu? How is Yuzu?

Posted on March 18, 2015

by BevSmith

https://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/where-is-yuzu-how-is-yuzu/

This is the most comforting thing I've read since Nationals. But isn't this kind of a contradiction with what Ms. Kobayashi said? Well, it wouldn't be the first time this year Brian and Ms. Kobayashi say different things about Yuzuru's condition.
Oh and this should clear up any of those Brian/Yuzuru split rumors. Yuzuru misses everyone at Toronto.
 
My goodness. Warmest news I've seen since a long time ago!

I'm really happy about this...however, that's probably why JSF did not want to reveal what Yuzu was doing in his training.

If the general public hears he's landing quads and doing run-throughs, they'll think "So he's fine! He'll win for sure!"
Which is not certain at all.

Anyway, It's a bit of good news that I'm really happy to hear about. There is still time before WC so he must be careful not to make his injury worse between now and then. Please, please Yuzu, be careful. :hopelessness:
 
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This isn't about Yuzu, so sorry guys, but Liza put a 3A in comp? I haven't been in the loop.

From the Elisaveta's triple A thread:
Post is dated March 6, 2015
Yesterday Lisa landed a perfect 3A in competition, the Tournament for the Prizes of the Figure Skating Federation of St. Petersburg, a video of her SP here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-cVWXugYs

Results can be seen here :

http://fsevents.narod.ru/event/s1415/cupfspb/cupfspb_MC_K_Scores.pdf

LP is today

Quotes from Orser, hot off the press:

Where is Yuzu? How is Yuzu?

Posted on March 18, 2015

by BevSmith

https://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/where-is-yuzu-how-is-yuzu/

Thank you for sharing. Brian Orser's statement, "I guess when I get there [Shanghai], I’ll see" pretty much says it all.

LoL at Ms. Smith's description of Yuzuru as "mosquito-waisted"! I'm not sure if it is more flattering than being described as wasp-waisted?...
 
I'm really happy about this...however, that's probably why JSF did not want to reveal what Yuzu was doing in his training.
If the general public hears he's landing quads and doing run-throughs, they'll be think "So he's fine! He'll win for sure!"
Which is not certain at all.
Anyway, It's a bit of good news that I'm really happy to hear about. There is still time before WC so he must be careful not to make his injury worse between now and then. Please, please Yuzu, be careful. :hopelessness:
At this point I don't care about the result anymore, I just want the WC to be over soon so he can have some rest with less stress and pressure, and PLEASE JSF NO 50 ICE SHOWS for Yuzuru this summer.

At least now that I understand why he had to stay in the hospital for so long as he has allergies to many medications.

Of course I'm nervous because when Yuzuru says "I'm fine" we all know his "fine" means "from 100% down to 50% or even just 10%" of his health. :hopelessness:
 
This news is so good that I almost cried. BOrser says Yuzu misses Toronto and he wants to skate with Javier everyday (Even though I don't particularly like Javier, as long as Yuzu likes him I'm okay...) Now that's all that matters. Only in Orser's interview and Sendai's advertisement have I felt warmth and love. Everything else was just pure craziness and pressure:hopelessness:
 
I feel like through this article, fans shouldn't be that worried anymore because Yuzuru is a responsible young man and has been skating his entire life. Sure, his health might fluctuate to low or high points —but isn't that life? Everyone has times where they feel good or bad (health wise).

We should wait till Worlds 2015 actually starts, stay calm and stop worrying. :yes:
 
I feel like through this article, fans shouldn't be that worried anymore because Yuzuru is a responsible young man and has been skating his entire life. Sure, his health might fluctuate to low or high points —but isn't that life? Everyone has times where they feel good or bad (health wise).

We should wait till Worlds 2015 actually starts, stay calm and stop worrying. :yes:

Yes. Everyone in this thread sensationalizes everything...
 
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