We've talked about this before, but the JGP for the juniors at this point would be like what the seniors would be at their second GP event in November. I agree that I enjoyed the juniors more today, but I think it's important to know there's some apples to oranges comparison here.
2015 Finlandia Trophy Ice Dance SD and FD
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Nothing extraordinary. Mistake and level 3 on twizzles, level 2 on one of the Rawensburger sequences and the partial step sequence, pretty low GOE on everything except the lift where they got 1 and 2, and also so so PCS (28.58 - lower than Tobias/Tkachenko and Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen). They looked kind of slow and hesitant, which is understandable, as it is a difficult dance (rich with choreography and transitions), and it's also the beginning of the season. Everything may change yet. Well, most likely except the fact that she is no ballerina at all (arms/hands, feet not very pretty for a ballet style program).Just went to look at the protocols and I almost screamed.
55.60?!? 55?!? WHAT HAPPENED?!?
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Thank you! I liked both dances, although I'm not a fan of W/P's second music cut and H/B's.
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Maybe it was the sound quality...but that was the fastest Nutcracker I've ever heard, especially the second part.
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True. However I still think the judges know what their doing and like what they see from the younger crowd better.
To be fair though, the ravensburger dance looks more difficult compared to the waltz.
I believe the Starlight Waltz is a USFSA Pre Gold Dance whereas Ravensberger Waltz is an International Dance that is taken after you pass your USFSA Gold Dances
It's also my understanding that the key points for Ravenberger Waltz have never been competed before this year - the Ravensberger yes but did not have key points back then
It's a beautiful waltz but so is American, Starlight, Westminster and Golden
H&B did great today and so did all the teams
It's also my understanding that the key points for Ravenberger Waltz have never been competed before this year - the Ravensberger yes but did not have key points back then
It's a beautiful waltz but so is American, Starlight, Westminster and Golden
H&B did great today and so did all the teams
OK, I'm missing whatever everyone is seeing in Hawayek/Baker. They skate small, they're slow and they're lacking in power. They don't have a great connection with each other. The program is nice but othinf particularly special and it doesn't suit Kaitlyn at all. All her movements look kinda forced and awkward. I thought Cannuscio and McManus had everything over them at Nebelhorn. It's probably shallow, but I don't like how they look like they're the same size - sometimes, she looks taller/bigger and the skirt doesn't help (she's not a big girl at all; I hope I'm not implying that).
I really enjoyed Weaver/Poje but the costumes have gotta go.
I really enjoyed Weaver/Poje but the costumes have gotta go.
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Could be... if their training rink is NHL size, then the Barona arena - which is Olympic size - might feel a bit large?
Hmm, looking at the protocols from 2006's Olympic CD, it does seem like they had something like them even if they weren't officially "key points." I have no idea what the S stands for. Step?
lol @ how stingy the GOE and overall scores were back then compared to today, even at the Olympics.
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Nope, no key points. All team had the same base value, so they were only judged on GOE.
S probably stands for step. Each pattern dance had to be performed twice in this compulsory dance, and each pattern dance was divided into three segments for the purpose of GOE judging.
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Imagine how stuggalicious it would be if these teams had to compete the Yolden Waltz.
That W&P sd is so difficult they were so many turns and changes of hold, the lift is stunning , i found it very enjoyable sure they were technical mistakes glaring twizzle mistake by Poje and deduction for too long lift, but all in all this is a great vehicule i am sure it will be much improved at skate canada.
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I am certainly not off and on with H/B
but I, too, liked this program. No, the balletic style for them is not as natural as for, say, P/I (you can clearly tell who has the ballet training there), whose program is very similar, but it's still a nice program and has potential. In the costuming department, I think the skirt is a bit too poufy (same as P/I again) and would work much better if it was a little shorter and had less layers. And JL's red pants must go.
I liked W/P a lot more than I expected to, but it wasn't my favorite. (Some of the choreography was a little too...um...literal for me. Like, they didn't actually have to BE Elvis, and although I admire their commitment to character, it was a bit much in my mind.)
Delmaestro/Lum were charming and her dress was
. #PurplePower
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H/B maybe in smaller in stature, but they really don't get skate small. I highly suggest you watch on YT their Romeo & Juliet FD from last season here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAwg9CvWMCk) and their Amelie FD here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1RxpFFJPW0) that won them 2014 World Junior Title; both of those the performances fill up the arena and they both have an amazing emotional connection to one another. I actually prefer H/B to Cannuscio & McManus, even though C/M have entertaining programs & are hard workers, they just don't have that to die for knee action and that something special that Kaitlin & Jean-Luc have. I do think there are a couple advantages to H/B's 3.5 inch height difference, first of all & most importantly they're able to match their leg lines which shows off their extension & soft fluid knee action especially in their step sequences, and also with being closer in height them gazing into each eyes is another way for them to show their emotional connection to each other and the story they're portraying on ice. I do think Kaitlin's tutu skirt could be shortened to just above her knee, so that we can see her knee action better.
I suspect what happened here with H/B and why they were a bit slow & lacking power is that they probably had some first performance jitters of their SD & are not fully comfortable with it just yet and they do seem slow to start to out the season and I suspect they use the first Senior B to feel out what kinks need worked out in order to change & improve their SD. They did however perform much better here than last fall at Nebelhorn where Kaitlin fell after their twizzles in their Malaguena SD. Things that do need worked on are hitting their levels overall, hitting those key points in the Ravensburger Waltz portion, no bobbles in their twizzles, less 2-footed skating, more closed hand holds & changes of hold, skate closer together, and more transitions. In addition I do think Kaitilin needs to work just a bit more on getting that balletic feel from her arm movement and extension by pointing her toes with their Nutcracker SD. Judging by their past performance history I personally feel that H/B are much stronger FD skaters than SD skaters, and I do expect them to shine with their Theory Of Everything FD which I cannot wait to see
. I like W/P's first portion of their SD to Can't Help Falling In Love but I hate Heartbreak Hotel it just seems so out of place. I do believe W/P have their work cut out for them because Chock & Bates scored 2pts higher than them at Nebelhorn and in the off season C/B improved on their skating skills, matching leg lines, and had more added difficulty with their elements. I think Andrew's costume works just fine, but Kaitlyn's hair, the pearls & that specific type of 50's dress ages her too much; I'd lose the pearls, modify her costume to more youthful looking 50's dress, and change her hair into a high ponytail similar to how Ann Margaret has her hair here in Viva Las Vegas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV0P9TNLoy8).
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H/B and W/P SDhwell:. Plus the pattern this season is not impressive.
Yes, that must be it. It may have its difficulties, but choreographically the RB Waltz is a DUD, IMHO!! Maybe it's because everyone's trying so hard to nail those key points. Everybody is just trying to put window dressing on a thoroughly dull house. Last year there were many more first rate SD, for example I/Z, Shibs, Hurtado and Diaz, FB/S, C/B, P/C, but this year with very few exceptions, they sort of fall flat. I wish they'd give the SD a break and go back to having OD's
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