2025-26 Russian Junior Grand Prix - Stage 2 - Magnitogorsk

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Damn, how did we did not know that???!!!

 

[AlexBreeze]

Damn, how did we did not know that???!!!

It seems to be the first one

 

[flanker]

It seems to be the first one

Yep, yesterday and Wednesday are not there, as well as previous stage. But I hope it's not just one exception.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Two questions

1) Where are there such a cover?
2) Why using this?

Beautiful in-air position on the jumps.

 

[flanker]

Oh damn, Sambuyev lost the final spin, nooo!!! Such a silly mistake...

 

[flanker]

Two questions

1) Where are there such a cover?
2) Why using this?

Beautiful in-air position on the jumps.

I would choose Gagarina for sure.

 

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BTW now when I looked at it, unfortunately it starts only with the last group of girls. I hope next time they will stream everything.

 

[flanker]

Figurnoe katanie put the skates on youtube, here are girls free:

 

[Mathematician]

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Big if true, now we finally have easy replay capability, and likely just in general far superior streaming experience.

 

[Mathematician]

Before, Agata's PCSs were lower than Margo's in most cases. Especially in the SP.

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So based on this I'm not sure I agree. It seems like they were within a point of each other in the SP, they both averaged 30-32 throughout the season I think its fair considering Agata's program was just rock n' roll. Agata got 32 at Kolomelkin versus Bazyluk's 31. Actually the gap last season between clean Agata and flawed Bazyluk was bigger than this time in SP. Bazyluk should be running away with the SP PCS this season whereas it was equal last season.

FS Agata averaged higher, 59-66 while Bazyluk was 59-64.

Meanwhile only 2 point gap at this tournament in FS and Agata has a great program (way better than SP) while Bazyluk skated poorly and more nervously than yesterday. I'm guessing Bazyluk will be beating Agata this season on PCS even in FS if they're both clean (whereas last season Bazyluk only outscored a poor Agata, and lost by 2 PCS at RJGPF).

Which I think is completely fair since Bazyluk looks like a new skater artistically already, with her nerviest skates after a long break. Her upside on PCS is much higher than Agata if we consider how different these two girls should look at nationals compared to now if all goes well for both.

 

[Remilia]

Glad Yana and Lera were able to have redemption skates, even if it wasn't enough for them to make nats...back to novice comps for both of them. Shame about Miroslava's fall, too . Happy for Petrova, though, and Orekhovskaia whose nationals chances are unexpectedly looking good rn.
Margarita clearly isn't 100%, and I kind of doubt she'll get her old robotic consistency back, but it wasn't a bad skate given how last season ended for her.
I thought Streltsova would take over as the #1 tt junior, but she's way too much of a headcase. She has the tech content to match Lena, but is too inconsistent. rn it's kind of looking like this season will mainly be Dzepka vs Lena
ik ppl often complain about Lena's makeup, but the super dark lipstick on Parsegova is too much for me. Just looks very odd on this tiny little girl. And the program itself is too mature for her. She should probably decide whether she wants to do pairs or singles soon, too. Partners won't wait around for her and trying to do both won't be good for her body.

 

[Remilia]

I expect a nats victory for her this year, there is no PCS gap anymore she skates beautiful even Dzepka wont be able to run away and crutch on PCS against her anymore.

I'm guessing Bazyluk will be beating Agata this season on PCS even in FS if they're both clean (whereas last season Bazyluk only outscored a poor Agata, and lost by 2 PCS at RJGPF).

Which I think is completely fair since Bazyluk looks like a new skater artistically already, with her nerviest skates after a long break. Her upside on PCS is much higher than Agata if we consider how different these two girls should look at nationals compared to now if all goes well for both.

Delusional takes, I fear. Or, they should be, but knowing the judges, it will probably happen. But the suggestion that she is anywhere near Dzepka in pcs...

 

[AlexBreeze]

Agata got 32 at Kolomelkin versus Bazyluk's 31.

Panin Memorial scores have nothing to do with reality, I definitely wasn't talking about them.

Last season, Agata and Margo met once (except for Panin Memorial). That was Jr Nats where Agata's PCS was 0.76 points lower in the SP. By the way, interestingly, Bazylyuk had her flip called then. And yesterday it was the Lutz.

2023/24 season SPs
Cup Final Bazylyuk 31.18 Petrova 30.06 (both fell)
Jr Nationals Bazylyuk 32.28 Petrova 30.39 (both clean)
Cup Stage 4 Bazylyuk 31.72 Petrova 29.40 (Margo lost a lot of levels including StSq2)

So judges did prefer Bazylyuk, it's hard to deny. At the moment, such a preference is not noticeable.

 

[Mathematician]

Delusional takes, I fear. Or, they should be, but knowing the judges, it will probably happen. But the suggestion that she is anywhere near Dzepka in pcs...

Is Kostyleva's PCS supposed to be better or something based on how Bazyluk just skated? Kostyleva already showed her programs this season her PCS is same as last season. Don't even her most ardent fans admit her PCS is lacking? Dvoeglazova is out of juniors, who else are we looking at? I never said she is near Dzepka in PCS I said the gap isn't big enough for Dzepka to crutch on it anymore with the TES gap—this is true; Bazyluk is now significantly above average by junior standards. That was very clearly my intention its hard to misinterpret that as me saying they're going to get similar PCS especially in the FS. Based on both her and Kostyleva's performances this season, the former's CO and PR are both clearly better. Her SP will get higher PCS than Agata's SP and rightfully so. There was no favouritism at this tournament for Bazyluk, this is clear to everyone in this thread so far and it is the point of discussion. I don't know who else we're supposed to be looking at. She is clearly better than Sarnovskaya, Milto, and whoever else was at the last stage. We haven't really seen anyone else.

Panin Memorial scores have nothing to do with reality, I definitely wasn't talking about them.

Last season, Agata and Margo met once (except for Panin Memorial). That was Jr Nats where Agata's PCS was 0.76 points lower in the SP. By the way, interestingly, Bazylyuk had her flip called then. And yesterday it was the Lutz.

2023/24 season SPs
Cup Final Bazylyuk 31.18 Petrova 30.06 (both fell)
Jr Nationals Bazylyuk 32.28 Petrova 30.39 (both clean)
Cup Stage 4 Bazylyuk 31.72 Petrova 29.40 (Margo lost a lot of levels including StSq2)

So judges did prefer Bazylyuk, it's hard to deny. At the moment, such a preference is not noticeable.

But why would I look at 23/24? That season had crazy Eteri favouritism I spoke out about it plenty myself. I don't even remember how Agata skated back then. Didn't she have that snake program? I'm not surprised it scored low. I'm not sure the discussion here is about favourtism I'm just talking about their PCS gap. The gap was bigger last season; Agata was rightfully getting higher FS scores and to me the SP was rightfully even, and I don't know why I should've known to ignore the memorial scores, are there special specific judges for RGP? Genuine question, maybe there are.

 

[AlexBreeze]

But why would I look at 23/24?

Because they met only once last season (except for the memorial).

Didn't she have that snake program?

It was her FS. The SP was Richaud's program, a decent one.

and I don't know why I should've known to ignore the memorial scores, are there special specific judges for RGP? Genuine question, maybe there are.

Firstly, yes, different judges. Secondly, Panin Memorial scoring is just insane, local skaters tend to be really overscored there comparing to the rest of the events. At least, in the past. This year was very different.

 

[Mathematician]

Because they met only once last season (except for the memorial).

Well they met at GPF and Nats. Bazyluk outscored in SP by 1 and Agata outscored in FS by 4 and 1. And I still think you can compare averages. On average they were equal in SP (30-32) and Agata was higher in FS (59-66). Another example: Milto got 29 in both her stages against Agata and Bazyluk, in the latter Bazyluk got 30 while in the former Agata got 32. So basically my point is I think the gap is going to be bigger this season than last season, and I dont think the previous gap was particularly unfair. Although I'm seeing Bazyluk got some 8.50s last season which is definitely overscored.

 

[Remilia]

Is Kostyleva's PCS supposed to be better or something based on how Bazyluk just skated? Kostyleva already showed her programs this season her PCS is same as last season. Don't even her most ardent fans admit her PCS is lacking? Dvoeglazova is out of juniors, who else are we looking at? I never said she is near Dzepka in PCS I said the gap isn't big enough for Dzepka to crutch on it anymore with the TES gap—this is true; Bazyluk is now significantly above average by junior standards. That was very clearly my intention its hard to misinterpret that as me saying they're going to get similar PCS especially in the FS. Based on both her and Kostyleva's performances this season, the former's CO and PR are both clearly better. Her SP will get higher PCS than Agata's SP and rightfully so. There was no favouritism at this tournament for Bazyluk, this is clear to everyone in this thread so far and it is the point of discussion. I don't know who else we're supposed to be looking at. She is clearly better than Sarnovskaya, Milto, and whoever else was at the last stage. We haven't really seen anyone else.

I didn't say anything about Kostyleva. I also think she is nowhere near Dzepka in terms of pcs (but still better than Margarita). I suppose Margarita might increase her content over the season, but if not, her having 1 more quad shouldn't be enough for her to overcome the appropriate pcs gap there should be between her and Dzepka. And idk what's going on with Lidia's injury, but she is definitely superior to Margarita.
And no, I'm pretty sure most of Lena's fans don't think her pcs are lacking, just that her free programs are now just jump drills and could be better choreographed

 

[Mathematician]

I didn't say anything about Kostyleva. I also think she is nowhere near Dzepka in terms of pcs (but still better than Margarita).

Well thats her main competitor. I think Elena's SS is better but I don't think her CO or PR are better, which isn't really her fault. Her SP PR was good last season but she is capped in the FS by terrible programming as you admit and do you really think her SP this season is what she was made for? Like really, do you actually think its a good program? I don't even know what she could do with it hypothetically, if she was an artistic genius. Voila gives the potential to demonstrate a youthful joy and passion, this season no such opportunity. You still haven't said what is delusional about the post. Dzepka with 2 4Ts will not be over 240 if she skates perfect. Bazyluk has already demonstrated she is capable of landing both the 4S and 4T, of which she can have two in the FS alone without a 3A. She will easily get 70 PCS, deservedly, and what do you think Dzepka will get? 80? Even that wouldn't be enough to close the gap. If you think Bazyluk hasn't proven her jumps, well, neither has Dzepka. It would be enough, if Bazyluk was still scraping by low 60s. So, here we have a situation where Bazyluk has increased her peak by 10 points or more across 2 programs. The PCS gap was big enough before, and now it isn't. There isn't anything delusional about this position.

And idk what's going on with Lidia's injury, but she is definitely superior to Margarita.

Yea Lydia has better PCS than both of them, I forgot about her.

And no, I'm pretty sure most of Lena's fans don't think her pcs are lacking, just that her free programs are now just jump drills and could be better choreographed

Well thats CO score and consequently PR score, if your entire FS is just a jump drill? Whats the difference? What can she even do with that? AoP is in disaster mode for their 2nd season and its only getting worse. AoP has zero interest in choreographing anything interesting for Elena or anybody else. Bazyluk's FS can be seen as boring, but standard, and her SP is simply objectively well put together. Bazyluk's general artistic improvement is glaring.

 

[Remilia]

Well thats her main competitor. I think Elena's SS is better but I don't think her CO or PR are better, which isn't really her fault. Her SP PR was good last season but she is capped in the FS by terrible programming as you admit and do you really think her SP this season is what she was made for? Like really, do you actually think its a good program? I don't even know what she could do with it hypothetically, if she was an artistic genius. Voila gives the potential to demonstrate a youthful joy and passion, this season no such opportunity. You still haven't said what is delusional about the post. Dzepka with 2 4Ts will not be over 240 if she skates perfect. Bazyluk has already demonstrated she is capable of landing both the 4S and 4T, of which she can have two in the FS alone without a 3A. She will easily get 70 PCS, deservedly, and what do you think Dzepka will get? 80? Even that wouldn't be enough to close the gap. If you think Bazyluk hasn't proven her jumps, well, neither has Dzepka. It would be enough, if Bazyluk was still scraping by low 60s. So, here we have a situation where Bazyluk has increased her peak by 10 points or more across 2 programs. The PCS gap was big enough before, and now it isn't. There isn't anything delusional about this position.


Yea Lydia has better PCS than both of them, I forgot about her.


Well thats CO score and consequently PR score, if your entire FS is just a jump drill? Whats the difference? What can she even do with that? AoP is in disaster mode for their 2nd season and its only getting worse. AoP has zero interest in choreographing anything interesting for Elena or anybody else. Bazyluk's FS can be seen as boring, but standard, and her SP is simply objectively well put together. Bazyluk's general artistic improvement is glaring.

I didn't admit anything and I think her sp has potential, but I need to see when she's not treating it like a practice runthrough. But despite being a jumping drill, I actually think her fs last season was great at nats and the gp final
And I mean, the only reason Margarita's fs isn't a jumping drill is bc she's not capable of that content anymore I agree she has improved artistically, but not a significant amount. And I realize Margarita wasn't clean here, but I'm not sure how you're expecting her pcs to shoot up by over 10 points by the end of the season.

 

[Mathematician]

I didn't admit anything

I'm just saying, we agree on the jumping drill point, which is clearly relevant to PCS.

And I mean, the only reason Margarita's fs isn't a jumping drill is bc she's not capable of that content anymore

Well, Kostyleva jumped 1 quad at her last performance, and Margarita jumped 2, so...

I don't really see Bazyluk's FS as a jumping drill in any case, frankly if it was any 2nd class skater performing this program, people would deem it enjoyable.

I agree she used to be a jump driller, but thats my point is she improved a lot. I think the change is clearly quite significant.

And I realize Margarita wasn't clean here, but I'm not sure how you're expecting her pcs to shoot up by over 10 points by the end of the season.

Ok, I added 10 points to everything I said on accident. So, I mean 60 for Bazyluk, not 70. Dzepka was at 62 at Moscow. The gap is miniscule. Actually, even less than I thought. So, same effect, same point.