Skaters should know the rules. If armchair experts sitting at home can point it out in real time, the ones on the ice should know it by heart. Even if your technical coach doesn't tell you anything about these rules, shouldn't you, an adult, take ownership of your own skating? The coach can push you so much, but comon, you can't expect him to do your homework for you.
Chan v. Hanyu: 2015-16
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Skaters should know the rules. If armchair experts sitting at home can point it out in real time, the ones on the ice should know it by heart. Even if your technical coach doesn't tell you anything about these rules, shouldn't you, an adult, take ownership of your own skating? The coach can push you so much, but comon, you can't expect him to do your homework for you.
Well, I don't think it's the job of the choreographer to know all the rules -- especially if it's an off-ice dance person brought in to give the program a concept and the skater new ways to move his/her body to music.
But they do need to work within the parameters set out by the coach and skater as far as what elements will go into the program, including level features or entries to jumps or how far into the program temporally a skater can hope to land a difficult jump.
Of course if the choreographer is also a skating coach or at least a former competitive skater actively involved in the competitive skating world, they may know these things and take them into consideration as a matter of course. But ultimately, they should be the coach's responsibility. As should backup plans.
Skaters in their 20s or 30s should certainly be able to take responsibility themselves for knowing the rules as well.
“We’re already doing so much out there on the ice so I don’t really think about the rules going into the program,” Chan said. “I don’t study the rulebook off the ice.”
http://www.thestar.com/sports/skatin...rix-final.html
What the...EVERY skater should be able to recite the rule book and understand the judging system. It should not be left up to the coaches to bear all that work.
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The difference in personality between Patrick and Yuzuru is like night and day. One blames the system, the overhead cameras, everything but himself and the other one always takes the blame onto himself no matter the mistake or circumstances.
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Well sorry, but I don't agree with most of you. I don't think it's the skater's primary concern to know the rule book. I think that's what coaches get paid for. And choreographers need to know their parameters within the rules. Yes the skater should know. But how many of you have been out on that ice with that kind of pressure and had to make a split second decision? Probably not too many of you. I certainly haven't and I can't imagine the pressure Patrick has been under since he returned to competitive skating. And if Plan B isn't drilled into you and you have to think about it.....well, isn't it comfortable to sit back in your armchair and criticize! I'm not totally making excuses for him - just giving him a little benefit of the doubt. I think he's been a rudderless ship since he gave up a real skating coach. I'm hoping that this experience might give him pause to think about perhaps realigning his team. He's a classically beautiful skater - one of the best in my experience, but the stakes have been upped and he needs more ammunition. And he needs a coach for that!
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Coaches are not out there on the ice skating with you, they can only do so much. Once you are out there you are by yourself and you have to think and skate for yourself. People make mistakes, its happens no one is perfect but the fact that Patrick said he doesn't even bother with reading the rules is troubling.
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Gpf not world Championships
In ladies, Irina Slutskaya won 3 Grand Prix Finals in a row, and in dance, Navka & Kostamarov won three in a row. The record over all disciplines: Davis and White, five in a row.
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Patrick will be all right. He missed his planned 4T+3T combination, so he went to his plan B -- substitute the 3Lz+3T. Oops. He knows the rules, as all top level skaters do, but that doesn't always translate into the right split-second decision. Easy for us armchair quarterbacks to switch to plans C and D on his behalf, but we are not the ones put there.
He'll be all right. Maybe not I'm-going-to-catch-Hanyu-this-season all right, but all right. :yes:
He'll be all right. Maybe not I'm-going-to-catch-Hanyu-this-season all right, but all right. :yes:
Before you blame him, please double check your source of information. He didn't spend a year and half in U of T.
My thoughts while watching Chan's program:
Oops, solo 3T, should have been the quad (combination?). Will he do a triple-double combination later?
He went for the triple-triple combination. Nicely done. But will it count?
Or was that opening jump a double, not a triple? If so, good thinking to do the triple-triple.
(on seeing the protocols) No, it was a triple, and the combo didn't count. Too bad.
I wonder, though, if a skater misses a planned quad by doing fewer rotations, whether he always knows whether he did a triple or a double.
Or if he pops a planned triple, if he always knows whether he ended up with double or single.
Sometimes, if he comes out forward, he may know more or less how many times he rotated in the air but not know how the tech panel will call it.
I agree with Mathman that it's tough always to come up with the correct backup plan in the heat of the moment.
But I do think coaches and grown-up skaters should know the rules and have some contingency plans in mind for the most common/likely errors.
Oops, solo 3T, should have been the quad (combination?). Will he do a triple-double combination later?
He went for the triple-triple combination. Nicely done. But will it count?
Or was that opening jump a double, not a triple? If so, good thinking to do the triple-triple.
(on seeing the protocols) No, it was a triple, and the combo didn't count. Too bad.
I wonder, though, if a skater misses a planned quad by doing fewer rotations, whether he always knows whether he did a triple or a double.
Or if he pops a planned triple, if he always knows whether he ended up with double or single.
Sometimes, if he comes out forward, he may know more or less how many times he rotated in the air but not know how the tech panel will call it.
I agree with Mathman that it's tough always to come up with the correct backup plan in the heat of the moment.
But I do think coaches and grown-up skaters should know the rules and have some contingency plans in mind for the most common/likely errors.
Yeah but no man has ever won more then two gpf in a rowIn ladies, Irina Slutskaya won 3 Grand Prix Finals in a row, and in dance, Navka & Kostamarov won three in a row. The record over all disciplines: Davis and White, five in a row.
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I think it's time to close this thread down. There is no "vs". There is just Hanyu. Then ranks 2-10 are "vs" each other.
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I still think that there are more than 7 crossovers but in the end it doesn't matter! Thank you for the link, very useful!
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I don't want to be harsh toward others but it really feels like Yuzuru is in his own league without any other contenders unless we wait for Shoma's and Jin's development in next seasons.
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you may be able to say this for now... but you don't know what can happen in a few months... consistency with ALL male skaters is never to be taken for granted.... hanyu could go back to missing some of his jumps, while others may feel the urge of changing things in their training or programs to gain momentum... and then you have a completely revived rivalry.... i think it's time you put your crystal ball away for a little while
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Chan seems conflicted about his return to competitive skating. Given that he already has two Olympic silver medals, I think that's understandable.
If he does really intend to stick with it, I would think he would need to add a skating coach to his team. Not just for technical assistance but also to help him figure out the most efficient and effective strategies for reaching his goals. He also needs someone who can look him in the eye and tell him to lose his obvious sense of entitlement, to stop making dumb comments during interviews, and to stop acting like a 12-year-old in the K&C when he has a bad skate.
But who would that be? What elite coach is available who would be willing to work with him on his terms?
If he does really intend to stick with it, I would think he would need to add a skating coach to his team. Not just for technical assistance but also to help him figure out the most efficient and effective strategies for reaching his goals. He also needs someone who can look him in the eye and tell him to lose his obvious sense of entitlement, to stop making dumb comments during interviews, and to stop acting like a 12-year-old in the K&C when he has a bad skate.
But who would that be? What elite coach is available who would be willing to work with him on his terms?
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