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Haha,,, I was always a fan of Patrick's skating. The interview after the SP and his performance in the LP at the GPF just made me a super fan and gave me an urge to post at the Fan Fests. When I was asked, I couldn't find a word to describe what I felt ; the changes in his interpretation from the SC to the GPF. Then, I was being silly saying as if I had received a love letter from Patrick.
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Misha Ge is the latest disclosed victim of quad training, in pain and withdrawn from 4CC. Patrick is well aware of the risks of quad training, especially for someone not having a slim body with very narrow hips. He has sounded the warning, getting accused of wishing injuries for his rivals, and is taking a careful approach himself. I'm glad he is staying with the cautious long term plan mapped out with his coach without succumbing to the pressure to rush more quads into his programs. Stay smart and careful, Patrick.
When I read someone's rage against Patrick, I feel sorry for what they are doing to themselves, but nobody can change or be responsible for another's foolhardiness in causing themselves harm. By the same token, I feel it's best for Patrick to just mind his own body, training, and competition. Truth and wisdom are not welcomed or appreciated but are to be trashed and bashed.
Stay healthy and happy, Patrick.
When I read someone's rage against Patrick, I feel sorry for what they are doing to themselves, but nobody can change or be responsible for another's foolhardiness in causing themselves harm. By the same token, I feel it's best for Patrick to just mind his own body, training, and competition. Truth and wisdom are not welcomed or appreciated but are to be trashed and bashed.
Stay healthy and happy, Patrick.
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And here is the Nationals SP in HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OStRih9AyBw
Agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if his opinion was formed with significant input from his coach Kathy, who is a body movement expert. She probably knows exactly how his body needs to move in order not to be injured.
I believe that Patrick will take good care of himself and stay healthy. However, I don't think he's completely happy yet. He needs to stop being so hard on himself and enjoy making art on the ice.
When Kathy said that he spends a lot of time training alone on the ice, I wondered if it wouldn't be good for him to have someone else to train with, too? Maybe having a good buddy to train with (like he did with Jeremy Abbott) would help him feel more supported and relaxed.
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Haha,,, I was always a fan of Patrick's skating. The interview after the SP and his performance in the LP at the GPF just made me a super fan and gave me an urge to post at the Fan Fests. When I was asked, I couldn't find a word to describe what I felt ; the changes in his interpretation from the SC to the GPF. Then, I was being silly saying as if I had received a love letter from Patrick.
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well here we go... another proof that quad training is killing "artistic skating" Misha is one of the most creative and entertaining skater out there.... and bang...the issue in this forum is that some uber fans are looking for everything possible to undermine Chan's credibility
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Perhaps we can take a lesson from the "quad king" Timothy Goebel, who left figure skating this way (2009 article: Timothy Goebel has moved on from skating, albeit in pain):
He also said in this article:
So in the future we'll see many more retired skaters in their 20s walking on crutches... :shocked:
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Krall started Patrick on holistic approach to training which he has kept up, placing importance on health management. As well, he has a movement specialist for a coach who cares a lot about him. Clearly Kathy has a big part in keeping him grounded and not letting his rivals and all the clamoring pressure get him off the well considered long term plan. They have been very patient about including the 4S in his programs.
I am quite certain Patrick was parroting Kathy's lecturing him when he commented on the possibilities of injuries by his rivals. At least he didn't mimic her manner because she was likely yelling at him.
I am quite certain Patrick was parroting Kathy's lecturing him when he commented on the possibilities of injuries by his rivals. At least he didn't mimic her manner because she was likely yelling at him.
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I am quite certain Patrick was parroting Kathy's lecturing him when he commented on the possibilities of injuries by his rivals. At least he didn't mimic her manner because she was likely yelling at him.
I'm glad you agree. Just my quibble, but perhaps if Patrick had prefaced that statement about injuries by his rivals with something like "I'm very concerned about the increased chances of injuries when we add more quads to our programs..." it might be received better and be less prone to misinterpretation.
But I'm guessing that he has a million thoughts going through his head right now, and not enough time to explain them in an interview.
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I'm glad you agree. Just my quibble, but perhaps if Patrick had prefaced that statement about injuries by his rivals with something like "I'm very concerned about the increased chances of injuries when we add more quads to our programs..." it might be received better and be less prone to misinterpretation.
But I'm guessing that he has a million thoughts going through his head right now, and not enough time to explain them in an interview.
He might be responding to some taunting questions. :confused2:
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I've re-read both the diManno and cbc articles. Imo, it's a tempest in a teapot. But then again, I'm just an ill-informed, overzealous Patrick Chan uber. 
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i ventured enough out of this thread for today but the article should be shared over there... people don't remember what happened to goebel or even plushy...it's all about the young current quad masters
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a forest fire in the desert my dad used to say
I've re-read both the diManno and cbc articles. Imo, it's a tempest in a teapot. But then again, I'm just an ill-informed, overzealous Patrick Chan uber.
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I've never heard that phrase before. I'm going to guess at the meaning - is that to suggest that a fire would have absolutely no impact in a desert.a forest fire in the desert my dad used to say
BUT
how can you have a forest in a desert?
4everchan, are you messing with me????
Help - my brain is going into hyperdrive! :hpull:
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They are "friendly" taunting questions, of course.
I've re-read both the diManno and cbc articles. Imo, it's a tempest in a teapot. But then again, I'm just an ill-informed, overzealous Patrick Chan uber.
Did you read this one? It has the fuller version of Patrick's comments referring to "injuries", "plateaus", "narrow hips" and "impossible": http://www.torontosun.com/2016/01/24/chan-is-right-where-he-wants-to-be
people don't remember what happened to goebel or even plushy...it's all about the young current quad masters
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. But the young quad masters look so indestructible right now that no one will stop them.
Crazy solution: just like race car drivers have to wear helmets and protective gear and clothing, let's have quad skaters do the same. I'm sure technology will improve to where the thinnest high-tech material can be used to create costumes that "cushion" a skater's body and enable them to wear transdermal pain relief patches underneath. Patrick should approve.
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Yes, Vivley the Toronto Sun version was the first one I read. At the time the words injuries and plateaus stood out. When I re-read it it actually diminished in importance because nowhere was there an inference that he wished injury on anyone. ("Narrow hips" and "impossible" was in my opinion self-derogatory and totally a non-issue.) If someone thinks that parts of Patrick's answer was undiplomatic that's just fine with me. Presidents and prime-ministers have soaring rhetorics but they have a team of speech writers on their payroll.
As for the "young quadmasters" - right now we are still awaiting word on 16 year-old Nathan Chen who was injured Sunday during the US nationals exhibition. I actually defend skater's rights to do as many quads as they can just as I defend the right for Patrick to set limits for himself. This is a sport and every athlete must maximize their own strengths.
When I pay money to see Patrick at SOI (I just bought my tickets last week!) I know he will not be attempting a quad but I go anyways because of his fabulous skating skills. I can't say the same of most of the "young quadmasters". In other words, I won't pay to watch a jumping contest.
As for the "young quadmasters" - right now we are still awaiting word on 16 year-old Nathan Chen who was injured Sunday during the US nationals exhibition. I actually defend skater's rights to do as many quads as they can just as I defend the right for Patrick to set limits for himself. This is a sport and every athlete must maximize their own strengths.
When I pay money to see Patrick at SOI (I just bought my tickets last week!) I know he will not be attempting a quad but I go anyways because of his fabulous skating skills. I can't say the same of most of the "young quadmasters". In other words, I won't pay to watch a jumping contest.
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it's the same meaning as a tempest in a glass of water or in a teapot it's some translated french canadian expression
or in a teapot it's some translated french canadian expression
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