Grand Prix 2016-17 News/Speculation

[tulosai]

CoR: Weaver and Poje / Chock and Bates

An interesting question about Virtue and Moir. By ISU ranking points I don't think they qualify for anything except a host pick for Skate Canada. But isn't there a "returning Olympic medalists" exemption?

There is rule 2.1 (c) which states:


“Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 within the past 10 years at a ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons will be given priority consideration to re-enter the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating for selection of up to 2 assignments if they commit in writing to participating in two ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and if such return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such so called “Come Back Skaters/Couples” will not substitute any of the Seeded Skaters/Couples, mentioned under a). “Come Back Skaters/Couples” must not fulfil the requirements of the minimum Grand Prix score and would be considered for selection as an Organizing Member Choice. A come back under this clause is allowed only once in their competitive career for any Skater/Couple.

I don't think they have used the comeback clause before so they should be eligible for it now.

 

[silverfoxes]

Question: is Dmitri Aliev moving to seniors?

They would be crazy not to move him. And Samarin will go senior, too, I guess.

 

[cheerknithanson]

When even are the assignments going to be announced? Like since Worlds is over (Though we still have the TCC left), basically nothing else huge left (besides the TCC). And I'm anxious to see who's going to where and more importantly, where the heck Skate America is going to be....like hurry up USFSA!

 

[tulosai]

When even are the assignments going to be announced? Like since Worlds is over (Though we still have the TCC left), basically nothing else huge left (besides the TCC). And I'm anxious to see who's going to where and more importantly, where the heck Skate America is going to be....like hurry up USFSA!

Assignments aren't usually announced until June. We probably have at least 10 weeks to wait.

 

[cheerknithanson]

Assignments aren't usually announced until June. We probably have at least 10 weeks to wait.

Oy yoi vey...

I hope Skate America's location will be announced sooner than that lol...I mean I know it won't be announced after the assignments, but still....

 

[4everchan]

LOL this thread will be 200 pages long before the assignments are announced and 100 longer after

Assignments aren't usually announced until June. We probably have at least 10 weeks to wait.

 

[Pamigena]

Assignments aren't usually announced until June. We probably have at least 10 weeks to wait.

That sounds horrible. Is June really that far away? :sad21: Time is stupid.

 

[Mrs. P]

Arguably waiting for your baby to come out is far worse than waiting for GP assignments, as I found last year. The GP assignments were speedier than my baby. Maybe I should see if she'll start walking before the GP assignments come out this year. We'll see who is speedy now, ISU!

 

[chuckm]

Remember, the ISU will update the World Rankings to remove the 2013/2014 data and reduce the 2014/2015 to 70% of its value.
That will change who is in the top 24 for each discipline. I took a quick pass at those calculations.
Also note:

* Top 12 at Worlds (top 10 for Pairs/Dance)
# Top 24 SB list
@ Top 3 JW or JGPF

MEN

1 4098 HANYU Yuzuru * #
2 3944 FERNANDEZ Javier * #
3 2865 UNO Shoma * #
4 2607 RIPPON Adam * #
5 2557 KOVTUN Maxim #
6 2557 TEN Denis * #
7 2526 JIN Boyang * #
8 2511 BREZINA Michal * #
9 2489 VORONOV Sergei #
10 2343 AARON Max * #
11 2227 MURA Takahito #
12 2152 BROWN Jason #
13 2147 SAMOHIN Daniel @
14 2099 PETROV Alexander
15 2071 YAN Han #
16 2057 BYCHENKO Alexei #
17 2027 SAMARIN Alexander
18 1871 NGUYEN Nam #
19 1871 PITKEEV Adian #
20 1850 MURAKAMI Daisuke #
21 1823 CHAN Patrick * #
22 1803 GE Misha
23 1776 MENSHOV Konstantin
24 1683 RIGHINI Ivan *

Additional Qualifiers:

25 1657 KOLYADA Mikhail * #
27 1617 ALIEV Dmitri @
28 1542 MINER Ross #
31 1516 HOCHSTEIN Grant * #
34 1196 YAMAMOTO Sota @
40 1022 NADEAU Nicolas @
41 1013 CHEN Nathan @


LADIES

1 3980 MIYAHARA Satoko * #
2 3470 MEDVEDEVA Evgenia * #
3 3322 TUKTAMYSHEVA Elizaveta #
4 3274 WAGNER Ashley * #
5 3268 RADIONOVA Elena * #
6 3089 GOLD Gracie * #
7 2998 POGORILAYA Anna * #
8 2879 HONGO Rika * #
9 2254 RODEGHIERO Roberta
10 2243 MURAKAMI Kanako
11 2228 KUCHVALSKA Angelina
12 2105 DALEMAN Gabrielle * #
13 2024 NAGASU Mirai * #
14 1977 TURSYNBAEVA Elizabet * #
15 1898 SOTSKOVA Maria # @
16 1736 LIPNITSKAIA Julia
17 1718 RAJICOVA Nicole
18 1717 CHEN Karen
19 1664 EDMUNDS Polina #
20 1662 LEONOVA Alena
21 1654 HELGESSON Joshi
22 1653 PARK So Youn
23 1609 NAGAI Yuka
24 1570 CHARTRAND Alaine

Possible RETURNING SKATER: Carolina KOSTNER

Additional Qualifiers:
25 1510 ASADA Mao * #
26 1451 HIGUCHI Wakaba # @
28 1437 HICKS Courtney #
32 1331 LI Zijun * #
39 1032 OSMOND Kaetlyn #
60 772 SOTNIKOVA Adelina #
77 554 MIHARA Mai #
85 480 FEDICHKINA Alisa #
HONDA, SHIRAIWA and TSURSKAYA all qualify via top 24 SB and/or JGP/JW but are too young for GP.


PAIRS

1 4210 DUHAMEL / RADFORD CAN * #
2 3688 STOLBOVA / KLIMOV RUS * #
3 3302 SUI / HAN CHN * #
4 3246 SCIMECA / KNIERIM USA * #
5 3067 TARASOVA / MOROZOV RUS * #
6 2756 KAVAGUTI / SMIRNOV RUS #
7 2582 JAMES / CIPRES FRA * #
8 2535 YU / JIN CHN #
9 2474 PENG / ZHANG CHN #
10 2317 DELLA MONICA / GUARISE ITA #
11 2223 ASTAKHOVA / ROGONOV RUS #
12 2135 KAYNE / O'SHEA USA #
13 2065 ZIEGLER / KIEFER AUT
14 1927 SEGUIN / BILODEAU CAN #
15 1922 MOORE-TOWERS / MARINARO CAN * #
16 1904 MARCHEI / HOTAREK ITA #
17 1679 ILIUSHECHKINA / MOSCOVITCH CAN * #
18 1572 SAVCHENKO / MASSOT GER * #
19 1540 BAZAROVA / DEPUTAT RUS #
20 1540 VOLOSOZHAR / TRANKOV RUS * #
21 1492 CASTELLI / TRAN USA #
22 1467 GRENIER / DESCHAMPS CAN
23 1359 DUSKOVA / BIDAR CZE # @
24 1283 WANG / WANG CHN #

Additional Qualifiers:
26 1178 VARTMANN / BLOMMAERT GER #
32 1005 BORISOVA / SOPOT RUS @
40 751 ZABIJAKO / ENBERT RUS #
44 614 MISHINA / MIRZOEV RUS @

DANCE

1 4121 CHOCK / BATES USA * #
2 4017 WEAVER / POJE CAN * #
3 3937 SHIBUTANI / SHIBUTANI USA * #
4 3012 CAPPELLINI / LANOTTE ITA * #
5 2984 PAPADAKIS / CIZERON FRA * #
6 2870 HUBBELL / DONOHUE USA * #
7 2863 GILLES / POIRIER CAN * #
8 2723 GUIGNARD / FABBRI ITA * #
9 2472 COOMES / BUCKLAND GBR * #
10 2263 STEPANOVA / BUKIN RUS #
11 2034 TESTA / CSOLLEY SVK #
12 2002 FOURNIER BEAUDRY / SORENSEN DEN #
13 1915 ILINYKH / ZHIGANSHIN RUS #
14 1715 McNAMARA / CARPENTER USA # @
15 1712 HAWAYEK / BAKER USA #
16 1685 NAZAROVA / NIKITIN UKR
17 1663 KIM / MINOV KOR
18 1650 SINITSINA / KATSALAPOV RUS * #
19 1612 WANG / LIU CHN
20 1565 BOBROVA / SOLOVIEV RUS #
21 1539 PARSONS / PARSONS USA # @
22 1527 AGAFONOVA / UCAR TUR #
23 1484 CANNUSCIO / McMANUS USA
24 1422 PARADIS / OUELLETTE CAN

Returning TEAM: VIRTUE / MOIR CAN


Additional Qualifiers:

25 1366 LOBODA / DROZD RUS # @
27 1316 KALISZEK / SPODIREV POL #
28 1296 POPOVA / VLASENKO RUS #
38 947 TOBIAS / TKACHENKO ISR #
46 719 LAURIAULT / LEGAC FRA #

 

[cathlen]

Sincere question: aren't rankings updated after anouncement of GP assingments?

 

[tulosai]

Sincere question: aren't rankings updated after anouncement of GP assingments?

I thought so too but I could very well be wrong on this one.

 

[Tyranid]

Thanks guys I will make the changes in a little bit!!

Also Russia isn't allowed a max # of ladies per se, but a max number of spots- if all the ladies got 2 spots they could only have 9, but they can have more with some only having 1 spot. With that said if someone is displaced it will be Artimieva- Serafima is guaranteed a spot, Artimieva is not.

So this means that the maximum amount of single's GP spots per country is 18, correct?
How about pairs and ID?

 

[cheerknithanson]

If McNamara/Carpenter move to seniors, will USFSA give them a host spot for Skate America possibly?

 

[tulosai]

If McNamara/Carpenter move to seniors, will USFSA give them a host spot for Skate America possibly?

If they move to seniors they're guaranteed 2, actually, as JW champs, so I don't think USFSA would waste the host spot on them. They might very well have to use it on Hawayek/Baker or another team who won't be guaranteed 2 (or even 1, maybe if they choose to give it to Thomas/Eton for example)

 

[cheerknithanson]

If they move to seniors they're guaranteed 2, actually, as JW champs, so I don't think USFSA would waste the host spot on them. They might very well have to use it on Hawayek/Baker or another team who won't be guaranteed 2 (or even 1, maybe if they choose to give it to Thomas/Eton for example)

Oh sweet! I seriously hope they do move to seniors. They won all the junior competitions they did last season they did this season, so it's kind of silly to remain in juniors....though yes the US field is very deep already.

True. Cause Anna and Sergey got two this season. One which was Skate America.

 

[tulosai]

Oh sweet! I seriously hope they do move to seniors. They won all the junior competitions they did last season they did this season, so it's kind of silly to remain in juniors....though yes the US field is very deep already.

True. Cause Anna and Sergey got two this season. One which was Skate America.

I also hope for this though sadly based on their comments I don't think they will

 

[cheerknithanson]

I also hope for this though sadly based on their comments I don't think they will

What comments? Where?

 

[tulosai]

What comments? Where?

I don't know of any especially recent comments but it was my understanding that they had said quite definitely that they plan to do juniors until they age out. I will go see if I can find it in their fan fest and come back

 

[ice coverage]

I don't know of any especially recent comments but it was my understanding that they had said quite definitely that they plan to do juniors until they age out. I will go see if I can find it in their fan fest and come back

Re Lorraine/Quinn:

Sorry if my posts earlier in the season were what you possibly had in mind??

What I am talking about:
Earlier I could have sworn that they said in an interview during the JGPs that they would remain juniors as long as possible ... and over several months, I referred back to that in more than one post (probably in more than one thread). Then someone politely asked me to provide a link -- and when I went back to look for the quote, I discovered that I could not find it :hopelessness:. So I fell on my sword and apologized -- I guess I had been hallucinating.

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If they move to seniors they're guaranteed 2, actually, as JW champs ...

I thought that Junior World champions are guaranteed only one GP spot??
But I can't find the ISU language for that either ....

 

[tulosai]

Re Lorraine/Quinn:

Sorry if my posts earlier in the season were what you possibly had in mind??

What I am talking about:
Earlier I could have sworn that they said in an interview during the JGPs that they would remain juniors as long as possible ... and over several months, I referred back to that in more than one post (probably in more than one thread). Then someone politely asked me to provide a link -- and when I went back to look for the quote, I discovered that I could not find it :hopelessness:. So I fell on my sword and apologized -- I guess I had been hallucinating.

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I thought that Junior World champions are guaranteed only one GP spot??
But I can't find the ISU language for that either ....

You may have been thinking of this one: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/08/07/141718768/the-inside-edge-dance-duo-aims-for-mature-look where she says: "We're still pretty young, so we have time," McNamara said. "The jump from junior to senior is the biggest jump you can make in skating. We have time to grow and develop as juniors, so we can get as much experience as possible before making that jump."

However, that article is from last summer (August), so there is a chance they either have changed their mind or that she wasn't speaking wholly literally about the 'as much experience as possible' and was instead just explaining why they stayed junior this year. I can't find anything more recent or more definite than this.

Actually now reading over the ISU doc I am not even sure they are guaranteed one spot based on their placement at Junior Worlds but they'd be guaranteed one based on their seasons' best score, so maybe they'd get the SkAm host pick after all if they go senior?