How long will Hanyu's records last?

[mcq]

3 different quads doesn't mean that the skaters will repeat them though.... I think some people mentioned that Yuzuru would stick to performing 3 quads (all different) but not 4.... while some skaters who only have two quads repeat both of them.... Yuzuru's money jump is the 3A so for sure, he will repeat that jump.... but someone else could opt to do things differently... For instance, I wonder why Boyang doesn't do 4Lz-3T and 4Lz in the long.... that's his best quad... probably it's too tiring? but he could do that and also do 4T-2t and 4T.... then he would have the potential for a fifth quad with the 4S.

I agree, I doubt Hanyu would ever drop repeating his 3A, considering his 3A success rate is >90% and he is used to doing them in the 2nd half. Adding to his high GOE for this jump + extra 10% BV, his 3A is pretty much a 4Lo/4F. But, probably for other skaters 3A is harder to do than quads, so they might prefer to repeat the quads.
I am also not sure why Boyang did not repeat his 4Lz, maybe it is not as consistent as we think compared to his 4T. Who knows.

In the end, the rule changes, tweaking of base values and elements, and the different events and judging panels make it a bit funny when we think about these records... they are not absolute records like in track and field for instance.... Look at Yuna's SP record which is still around, because it features one extra element (spiral step sew).

Pretty sure Yuna's SP record has been broken by Mao at 2014 WC. She only holds the total for now (that is also because of spiral sequence)

 

[4everchan]

oups... i stand corrected thanks!!!!

Ladies
Component Skater Score
Combined total Kim Yuna 228.56
Short program Mao Asada 78.66
Free skating Evgenia Medvedeva 150.10

 

[Mathman]

I am also not sure why Boyang did not repeat his 4Lz, maybe it is not as consistent as we think compared to his 4T. Who knows.

I think the quad Lutz takes a lot out of him, energywise, plus it requires a long set-up. I think it is easier for him to throw in an extra quad toe in natural rhythm and within the compass of the choreography. (Which, he will get eights in choreography this season. You read it here first. )

 

[mcq]

I think the quad Lutz takes a lot out of him, energywise, plus it requires a long set-up. I think it is easier for him to throw in an extra quad toe in natural rhythm and within the compass of the choreography. (Which, he will get eights in choreography this season. You read it here first. )

Well he did 4T longer than 4Lz, that is perhaps one reason but actually i thought his 4Lz consistency last season is better than his 4T? Or not?
Anyway didn't he already get like 80 PCS during 4CC, but then revert back to mid 70s during WC lol.
His PCS gap to the others top guys is just enormous (this is one of the reason why he has a lot to make up to catch Hanyu's WR; his PCS gap alone to hanyu is 10 pts in the short and 20 pts in the long)

 

[HanDomi]

His PCS gap to the others top guys is just enormous (this is one of the reason why he has a lot to make up to catch Hanyu's WR; his PCS gap alone to hanyu is 10 pts in the short and 20 pts in the long)

And that's right. Some could even argue that the gap is too small, lol

 

[4everchan]

i would

And that's right. Some could even argue that the gap is too small, lol

 

[chuckm]

I think the quad Lutz takes a lot out of him, energywise, plus it requires a long set-up. I think it is easier for him to throw in an extra quad toe in natural rhythm and within the compass of the choreography. (Which, he will get eights in choreography this season. You read it here first. )

Wait.....Boyang JIN has CHOREOGRAPHY???!!!!??? :eeking:

 

[Arriba627]

I don't think I ever saw Stephan do a second 3A. I just watched his Flamenco LP and he only attempts 1. Here's his Flamenco LP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDNXgzKHT9I

Wow - just wow! How awesome is Stephane?! Love his spins!

 

[Mathman]

Wait.....Boyang JIN has CHOREOGRAPHY???!!!!??? :eeking:

8.50 this season, 9.00 next. The Jin train is leaving the station. All aboard!

 

[4everchan]

I don't know... i see him getting similar results to goebel

8.50 this season, 9.00 next. The Jin train is leaving the station. All aboard!

 

[chuckm]

I don't know... i see him getting similar results to goebel

Don't forget----Tim won a bronze Olympic medal back in 2002.

 

[4everchan]

yeah... that's where I can see him... bronze....

Don't forget----Tim won a bronze Olympic medal back in 2002.

 

[Mango]

Well, we can't really go off of this. The period from NHK to GPF he was in Canada by himself and he arguably skated better at GPF.

If I remember correctly, he did not return to Canada after NHK. He trained alone in Japan. And his marks at GPF2015 were higher, but not his base TES. He went from all level 4s at NHK to level 3 step sequences at GPF. He was technically better at NHK. The judges were swooning over almost everyone at GPF though, so the GOEs and PCS marks flowed.

But that one week makes little difference. It was the+2 months leading up to NHK and GPF that made most of the difference.

In regards to Yuzuru's injury, it appears he's back to normal with the latest exhibition he skated. So maybe we will see him smashing some records this season.

 

[MaxSwagg]

If I remember correctly, he did not return to Canada after NHK. He trained alone in Japan. And his marks at GPF2015 were higher, but not his base TES. He went from all level 4s at NHK to level 3 step sequences at GPF. He was technically better at NHK. The judges were swooning over almost everyone at GPF though, so the GOEs and PCS marks flowed.

But that one week makes little difference. It was the+2 months leading up to NHK and GPF that made most of the difference.

In regards to Yuzuru's injury, it appears he's back to normal with the latest exhibition he skated. So maybe we will see him smashing some records this season.

LOLOL Yes. My mistake. I meant that he was in JAPAN during that time, NOT Canada. Lol

 

[gsyzf]

and as mcq up here mentioned Hanyu should focus on peaking and staying healthy at Worlds, something is really wrong there that he is getting serious injuiries year after year before Worlds.

The more risk a skater takes, the more likely he will get injured, everything else equal.
The more a skater practices, the more likely he will get injured, everything else equal.
The more a skater practices, the more likely he will deliver under pressure, everything else equal, vice versa.

It's actually normal for him to get injured every year. Every olympic champ in recent years, at least in men, got injured year after year because they take big risk and practice harder/more intensively than other skaters. I think something is seriously wrong if he is injury free because it means either he is slacking off/becomes lazy, or he waters down his tech significantly. The best he can do is to manage himself to have only minor injury/in relatively good condition by the time of four continent/olympics (i.e. February) and to delay his injury to post 4cc/olympics. (He has actually did that in the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 season when he planned to attend 4CC in Japan and the Olympics. He was in relatively good physical condition at 4CC in 2013 and Olympics. When he actually plans to attend 4CC and Olympics, he will consciously restrain himself from training too much in the 1st half of the season. If he already intends to skip 4CC before the season even starts, he will definitely overtrain in the 1st half of the season.) I think the only way for him to not have serious injury before world is to reduce the number of competitions he does in one season, so he will practice less. But it's not possible for him to skip GPs before the Olympics. He can only skip GPs after the Olympics if he still wants to compete post olympics.

 

[Mathman]

I don't know... i see him getting similar results to goebel

The Quad King! By the time of the 2002 Olympics Goebel had improved his presentation scores up to the 5.7 level. (Plushenko got mostly 5.8s.) This corresponds to my prediction of 8.5 to 9.0 for Boyang in two years.

I think I am posting in the wrong thread, though. I do not expect that this will be enough to threaten Hanyu's record score. Still, good for them both (Goebel and Jin) for making the most of the skills that the Good Lord, in his wisdom, blessed them with.

 

[gsyzf]

The Quad King! By the time of the 2002 Olympics Goebel had improved his presentation scores up to the 5.7 level. (Plushenko got mostly 5.8s.) This corresponds to my prediction of 8.5 to 9.0 for Boyang in two years.

I think I am posting in the wrong thread, though. I do not expect that this will be enough to threaten Hanyu's record score. Still, good for them both (Goebel and Jin) for making the most of the skills that the Good Lord, in his wisdom, blessed them with.

In 2002, Goebel was at his peak, while Plushenko was young and wasn't at his peak. A peaking Goebel still got a lower presentation score than a young Plushenko. In 2018, Hanyu would be at his peak, while Jin is still young and not yet at his peak. I don't think Jin's presentation score would be that high in two years. He is more likely to improve his presentation by 2022 than by 2018. Goebel got bronze in his home olympics. Boyang will compete at home in 2022 as well. (I noticed that similar type of skaters do tend to get similar results.)

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

If I remember correctly, he did not return to Canada after NHK. He trained alone in Japan. And his marks at GPF2015 were higher, but not his base TES. He went from all level 4s at NHK to level 3 step sequences at GPF. He was technically better at NHK. The judges were swooning over almost everyone at GPF though, so the GOEs and PCS marks flowed.

Totally -- the GPF marks for all the winners last year were to be taken with a big grain of salt (or valium, as it seems the judges were on). While the marks at the GPF were higher, to me Hanyu's SP and LP at NHK were his best performances last season, from both a technical and artistic standpoint.

 

[HanDomi]

Totally -- the GPF marks for all the winners last year were to be taken with a big grain of salt (or valium, as it seems the judges were on). While the marks at the GPF were higher, to me Hanyu's SP and LP at NHK were his best performances last season, from both a technical and artistic standpoint.

LP -1. NHK 2. GPF SP . 1. GPF/Worlds 2. NHK

Actually I would've changed scores between the two events. NHK FS score should have been 220 and GPf 215-16. NHK fs was just unreal. He was like flying machine. at GPF all scores before him were so inflated, that I guess they just went with pattern to not hurt the gap he should have won over others.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

^True true. His SP at Worlds actually was his best, and his SP at GPF was cleaner than NHK. But his NHK LP as you said was his absolute best work to date, even if it wasn't his highest scoring.