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Patrick Chan

It was a very difficult start. And for me, and for Patrick. Probably, It was so hard acclimatization for him, because Patrick wasn't explicitly collected. And the program was given him to hard.
I loved it: and the music and the program, but that they played - it needs clear perfomance, and Patrick, who lives in it. But now it's not. Now if he tried it over. I hope, that he is okay now
 
Upon rewatching the video on YouTube (thank goodness they will not be muting his FS because of the music):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81AIVWU1HJQ

I don't think he did that badly. He missed the 3T in the 4T3T combo, and that 4T landing looked a bit off. He fell on his 2nd 4T in the second half, did a good 3A2T, put a hand down on his 3Lz, and then watered down the 3F combo to a 2F combo. The ending was lovely, and by then I was getting into that journey of memories of his friendship with Eric. Just need to bring that feeling to us earlier in the program.

Here are the scores: http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1617/CSFIN2016/CSFIN2016_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

Anyway, he told Marina, "Better than yesterday." :)

I'll be out performing today, so I'll update my blog post and see you all later!
 
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Patrick did ok in my opinion, he should have won the LP but oh well... the system :ohwell:
 
Nobody did well at this very early competition. Patrick just needs to get accustomed to his new layout doing a 4T combo and a 3A combo in the second half. The real TES test is when he adds the 4S.

The skating is wonderful of course. Not sure if there will be any choreography or music adjustment. There will be some for the 4S of course.

I need to rewatch this performance.
 
Small positives: He landed two triple Axels. He managed to stay on his feet for all but one jump. Despite popping the 3F into a double (he does this when he's tired like at Nationals), he managed to do the 2T and 1Lo. Everything was level 4 except for that one CCSp.

Once he starts putting in the 4S and lands that 4T+3T it will be better. This was a start. And I don't think his PCS is going to be this low again.
 
Nobody did well at this very early competition. Patrick just needs to get accustomed to his new layout doing a 4T combo and a 3A combo in the second half. The real TES test is when he adds the 4S.

The skating is wonderful of course. Not sure if there will be any choreography or music adjustment. There will be some for the 4S of course.

I need to rewatch this performance.

My impression was that Patrick did not have as much of the fresh vibe as yesterday.

Despite the new jump layout, despite how much I enjoyed his skate, and despite the beauty of his skating, something said to me that Marina hasn't had the opportunity to recraft this program with Patrick as extensively as the SP.

Given the limited time they've had to work together, it makes sense to have chosen the SP for a more radical reworking. Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling that there is something "meh" about the FS for them as yet.

So, there could be a great deal of successive changes throughout the season. Or, if they think it's enough to hit their goals for this year, they may well let it be and focus on consistency with a view to something more spectacular for Olympic year.
 
I blame the clapping for his fall. :)

Seriously, let him hear the music already.

Those wooden paddles given to the audience members are very distracting. Clapping is great for polkas or marches and certainly at the conclusion of the performance but this was not synchronized clapping music. Some sponsor thought it was clever but I hope they shelve that idea. Anyway, I LOVE Patrick's LP and even though the jumps are still in progress, the style and the skating were superb. His movement is just wonderful! It seems his jumps need more height and he, overall, need improved endurance. Get the trainer out, Marina!
 
Those wooden paddles given to the audience members are very distracting. Clapping is great for polkas or marches and certainly at the conclusion of the performance but this was not synchronized clapping music. Some sponsor thought it was clever but I hope they shelve that idea. Anyway, I LOVE Patrick's LP and even though the jumps are still in progress, the style and the skating were superb. His movement is just wonderful! It seems his jumps need more height and he, overall, need improved endurance. Get the trainer out, Marina!

The clapping was very inappropriate for the music which was also very soft in volume. It started when he was preparing for the 4T combo at a different place of the program than his old layout. Such unexpected disturbance in rhythm and in hearing the music could not have had any good effect on the jump.

It's part of the experience. Expect the unexpected and be prepared nonetheless. I expect a big improvement by SC, except if a possible 4S debut causes some issues. I'll be happy to follow the progress through the season, looking forward to his peaking at Worlds.

Still, it was a treat to watch his beautiful skating sans pareil.
 
Those wooden paddles given to the audience members are very distracting.
I don't think those were wooden. Most were made of Finlandia Trophy posters given to the viewers. I saw one of them creating this kind of clapping thing by fanfolding the poster during the pause in competition.:)
 
what a beautiful post
With his new SP, I'm falling in love with Patrick's skating again. :love:


Patrick looked really happy with who he was in the program, so that made me smile accordingly. How light and airy his upper body movements were to the music, so I felt like I breathed fresh air in the middle of luxuriant forest for a long time out of a polluted city where we live and work every day. Some people said the program was meant for children, but I don't know what was behind the comment because I didn't catch who are Patrick's fans or non-fans. Regardless, I took it as a compliment because the lyrics dreaming for a peaceful and better world is what our children need for their future. :)
 
the SP used to be his Ex number so it's normal too, that they would choose to work on that because Patrick knows it inside out. I agree that there's some work to do on the LP but I don't think it will change much. I think that Wilson's choreography is just right this year. It was perhaps a bit too much and ambitious in the Chopin, yet Patrick delivered... but here, it suits the music.

I have to say I am pleasantly surprised ;) (however, sorry Eric... music is okay when listening but totally not memorable and I have listened to it 3 times already)

I have written a detailed post of my impressions in the finlandia thread... if you want to read it... i just don't want to cross post too much..

Mango I think that we will have some surprises with the layout...

1) the 4t-3t is probably the first jumping pass... Patrick had a rough landing, couldn't tag the 3t... REFOCUSED (which was great to see) and nailed the 3A beautifully...
2) of course, we all expect the 3S to be a placeholder for the 4S... which will have some consequences in the layout later one.
3) I wasn't surprised to see Patrick fall on the 4T... but a bit disappointed it was UR....however, I think it's because he was perhaps thinking too much about having to tag a combo to it...
4) REFOCUSED and landed another super 3A... His 3As for me, was the highlight of his program so early in the season.. May the 3A prevail all year!
Loop... fine...

LUTZ... i am sure that this is supposed to be his last combo jump...

Once again, I think Patrick lost focus thinking too much... he had the opportunity to do 3Lz-3T this time... (or even 3Lz-3T-2tor2l)

but of course, the landing with the touch down meant no combo.

In the ideal world Patrick by then will have landed 4T-3T, 4S, 3A-2t...

His options will then be

3Lz-2t-2l like last season OR 3Lz-1/2L-3S like in the Olympic season.

Finally, since he messed the combo on the 3Lz, this time around he probably thought about tagging it onto the 3F but then lost focus obviously and perhaps was tired...

I really don't expect him to have a 3 jump combo right at the end like this...




Comparing Patrick to his main competitors...

We haven't seen Javi yet but I would think that Javi will have a 3 quad layout. If he does 4 quads, he will have to take out a 3A... which is not a great option in terms of risk and reward.

Yuzu is presenting a 4quad 2 3A program. In terms of base value, he is pretty much doing the same layout as Patrick EXCEPT that the 3Loop is for Yuzu, a 4 Loop. This gives him about 7-8 points advantage. However, some of the levels for other elements could close the gap. In the end, Patrick is closing the gap this year if both go clean, compared to last year.

So, the LP is not the main issue. I would say that it's the SP that could be deciding since Patrick doesn't have two quads in it, and his competitors do.

Final words : Patrick's skating in this new LP is unique. It's introverted yet deep with emotion. It's gorgeously flowing across the ice. It has many nice steps that go with the music perfectly. It's as if Patrick had been skating on the ice, and Eric had matched his music to his skating, music being written AFTER the choreography. I think we need to see this program skated cleanly and I beg the skating gods to give us at least ONE during the season.. with or without 4S ... I couldn't care less... I just need to have a program to go to, like I do with the 4cc Chopin, or the TEB vivaldi ;)

My impression was that Patrick did not have as much of the fresh vibe as yesterday.

Despite the new jump layout, despite how much I enjoyed his skate, and despite the beauty of his skating, something said to me that Marina hasn't had the opportunity to recraft this program with Patrick as extensively as the SP.

Given the limited time they've had to work together, it makes sense to have chosen the SP for a more radical reworking. Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling that there is something "meh" about the FS for them as yet.

So, there could be a great deal of successive changes throughout the season. Or, if they think it's enough to hit their goals for this year, they may well let it be and focus on consistency with a view to something more spectacular for Olympic year.
 
Yuzu is presenting a 4quad 2 3A program. In terms of base value, he is pretty much doing the same layout as Patrick EXCEPT that the 3Loop is for Yuzu, a 4 Loop. This gives him about 7-8 points advantage. However, some of the levels for other elements could close the gap. In the end, Patrick is closing the gap this year if both go clean, compared to last year.

So, the LP is not the main issue. I would say that it's the SP that could be deciding since Patrick doesn't have two quads in it, and his competitors do.

Final words : Patrick's skating in this new LP is unique. It's introverted yet deep with emotion. It's gorgeously flowing across the ice. It has many nice steps that go with the music perfectly. It's as if Patrick had been skating on the ice, and Eric had matched his music to his skating, music being written AFTER the choreography. I think we need to see this program skated cleanly and I beg the skating gods to give us at least ONE during the season.. with or without 4S ... I couldn't care less... I just need to have a program to go to, like I do with the 4cc Chopin, or the TEB vivaldi ;)

Hmm, are you sure about it ? Guessing Patrick layout will have 4T3T, 4S and 3A in 1st half + 4T and 3A in 2nd half, while Hanyu has 4Lo, 4S in 1st half and 6 jumping passes in 2nd half including 4S3T, 4T, 3A3T and 3A-1lo-3S. I think the BV diffrence will be a little bigger than 8 points. Hard to say now but I think it will be 10 points in BV
Patrick will definitely match in BV with Fernandez and should win with him clean vs clean
 
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4everchan I am only sure that the 4S will come from that 3S and that 2F was meant to be a 3F, and somewhere along the line he lost a 3T. It does seem like he lost it on the opening 4T. He's done that before, right? Maybe he needs to not start off with a combo. Patrick has pledged to improve his performance. From this article:

"I had a great start to my free skate which really showed how well my training's been going," Chan said after the short program. "I haven't been this ready this early in the season in the past.

"I got a lot of confidence and learned a lot about the program. I'm happy with the result and I know I'm going to get better."

By the way, we've seen Javier's FS at Japan Open. Protocols here.
 
Handomi, cut me some slack... :drama:

I really didn't write a post to compare the skaters but just to show that Patrick was addressing the fact that his BV was way lower in the past.. He is closing the gap slowly but surely... all I am saying here :)

Patrick has only 5 jumps in the second half while Yuzu has 6... add two points on top of the 8 points I had roughly calculated if that makes you happy... but if I am going to be scrutinized for a rough non-detailed analysis, let me be :dev2: and say this : I was looking at the BV at this point in the game... If you are opening the door to look at these things more in details, then I would suggest that Patrick should outscore Yuzuru by more than those 2 points in PCS because frankly, for having seen Yuzuru at ACI, there was not much of a program choreographed in there... and not much emotion or reaching out to the audience... Head down, pretty much all the way through. I bet that would count too if we were matching the skates right now...


However, I suggest something else : let's not bother discussing this and let's not speculate further. Let's just look forward to seeing both of them at Skate Canada. :biggrin:

Hmm, are you sure about it ? Guessing Patrick layout will have 4T3T, 4S and 3A in 1st half + 4T and 3A in 2nd half, while Hanyu has 4Lo, 4S in 1st half and 6 jumping passes in 2nd half including 4S3T, 4T, 3A3T and 3A-1lo-3S. I think the BV diffrence will be a little bigger than 8 points. Hard to say now but I think it will be 10+ higher
Patrick will definitely match in BV with Fernandez and should win with him clean vs clean
 
oh.. i didn't watch Japan Open yet... :) Protocols say : 3 quads.. One 3A.. but I suspect that he wants to do 2 3A so that means that both programs should be pretty much equal.
4everchan I am only sure that the 4S will come from that 3S and that 2F was meant to be a 3F, and somewhere along the line he lost a 3T. It does seem like he lost it on the opening 4T. He's done that before, right? Maybe he needs to not start off with a combo. Patrick has pledged to improve his performance. From this article:



By the way, we've seen Javier's FS at Japan Open. Protocols here.
 
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