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2016-2017 State of U.S. Men Figure Skating

FlattFan said:
You just have to look at natural ability to know Denis has it. The US men can't rotate their quads, save Nathan and Max. Both are no where near the level of Denis in presentation.

You need to give him something to work with. He is not a miracle worker. He can't turn a black swan into a white swan.

Also those years are weak years, most medalists wouldn't come near the podium at the GPF this year. So Frank can't do anything about it. That's the point. He's a great coach but with luck on his side. If his skaters compete in the wrong time, he wouldn't be so great.
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Ha - I guess I could have anticipated your response but hope springs eternal and all that.

Just a question though: why, exactly, are you a Flatt fan? Or aren't you?
 
BTW, congratulations to Jason and Max for finishing first and second [ETA, correction: third), respectively, in the Challenger Series this year :). (They were first and second last year.)


(Petrov finished third [ETA, correction: second] this year.)

Tavi... said:
... http://www.usfsa.org/content/2017 Qualifiers.pdf
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shmay said:
This is assuming Tomoki Hiwatashi and Andrew Torgashev compete senior at Nationals...
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The official USFS list for Nats shows that Tomoki and Andrew will be competing as seniors. It is not just an assumption.

The list has been in other threads, and Tavi added it to this one.
 
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ice coverage said:
BTW, congratulations to Jason and Max for finishing first and second in the Challenger Series this year :). (They were first and second last year as well.)


(Petrov finished third this year.)
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I cannot even be happy about this because Brendan missed out on top three by half a point but also because Jason, Max and Petrov should not even be there. /offtopicrant
 
karne said:
I cannot even be happy about this because Brendan missed out on top three by half a point but also because Jason, Max and Petrov should not even be there. /offtopicrant
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I take your point, karne :ghug:.

Meanwhile, I am a dummy :hopelessness: ... had not noticed that the ISU Challenger chart in my post above does not yet include Golden Spin results (http://hptoneri.hr/gs2016/CAT001RS.HTM).

So correcting myself:

Petrov placed second this year: 232.21 + 222.92 = 455.13

Max third: 444.86

Brendan a close fourth :bow:: 222.40 + 221.94 = 444.34​
 
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FlattFan said:
You three are quite nasty! Anyone of them would love to switch place with Flatt. If they don't, well, can't lead a horse to water.
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To be honest, I asked not to be nasty but because you're so snarky about other skaters. It seems odd.
 
Mrs. P said:
Alexei is still a junior in the US, where he is going to run away with the title. All his major junior competition are in seniors.
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I sort of wish Krasnozhon were competing as a Senior at Nationals, just to see where he would end up against Zhou, Hiwatashi, Torgashev and all the other senior men...but it makes sense for him since he is a shoo-in for the Gold as a Junior.
 
Tavi... said:
To be honest, I asked not to be nasty but because you're so snarky about other skaters. It seems odd.
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FWIW, Jason and Rachael are both Olympians and U.S. Champions. Both are also very positive ambassadors for the sport. Rachael does have a junior world title and a GPF apperance under her belt though. :biggrin:
 
shmay said:
Why would anyone be?
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I don't even have the words to express how much I dislike this comment. I can only guess that you haven't had the chance to see Rachael in person. Rachael is a smooth and deep edged skater who was a solid mentally as they come. She was not the most flexible skater but, when healthy, you could always count on her to deliver the goods under the most intense pressure. Remember when she won in 2010, she was third after the SP and had to come from behind to win her title. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqfpsyvsD5M
 
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I hate to say it, but I have a lost a little of my love for Jason's skating this year. Some of his signature moves have started to look ungainly to me. I am more impressed by the artistry of Adam's Birds program. I do think they're about even with each other for the Worlds team below Nathan Chen.
 
Nathan13 said:
I sort of wish Krasnozhon were competing as a Senior at Nationals, just to see where he would end up against Zhou, Hiwatashi, Torgashev and all the other senior men...but it makes sense for him since he is a shoo-in for the Gold as a Junior.
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He is. But people thought he was a shoo-in last year. This year, essentially all of his major competition is gone. Tomoki, Andrew, Kevin, & Melnyk are moving up. And Paolo pulled out of the season:cry:. (And Naumov is still skating novice). Plus Alexei's programs are better this season.

But one never knows.
 
Ice Dance said:
He is. But people thought he was a shoo-in last year. This year, essentially all of his major competition is gone. Tomoki, Andrew, Kevin, & Melnyk are moving up. And Paolo pulled out of the season:cry:. (And Naumov is still skating novice). Plus Alexei's programs are better this season.

But one never knows.
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It'll be more interesting to see who USFS decides to send to JW. Alexei should be a shoo-in because he was the only one to go to JGPF, but Vincent and Tomoki have JW experience even if they struggled during the JGP this season. IMO, USFS should send Alexei (assuming he wins the junior title) and whichever junior-competing-at-senior-nationals places highest.
 
Ice Dance said:
He is. But people thought he was a shoo-in last year. This year, essentially all of his major competition is gone. Tomoki, Andrew, Kevin, & Melnyk are moving up. And Paolo pulled out of the season:cry:. (And Naumov is still skating novice). Plus Alexei's programs are better this season.

But one never knows.
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Isn't it possible that the novice skater is related to the Russian pair World champion with the same last name?

ETA: Never mind as I got my answer. Maxim Naumov (typically Russian name)'s page on icenetwork says one of his coach is Vadim Naumov, so Maxim must be the champion's son. Quite exciting then.
 
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andromache said:
It'll be more interesting to see who USFS decides to send to JW. Alexei should be a shoo-in because he was the only one to go to JGPF, but Vincent and Tomoki have JW experience even if they struggled during the JGP this season. IMO, USFS should send Alexei (assuming he wins the junior title) and whichever junior-competing-at-senior-nationals places highest.
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The U.S. has three men's spots at 2017 Junior Worlds.
In 2016, Tomoki placed third and Vincent fifth, so they were well under thirteen placement points (junior slots are earned the same way as senior).

I like Aleksei, Tomoki, and Vincent ... but hope Torgashev is not unthinkable for one of the three slots.
 
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What a lively discussion, lol! Only skimmed through portions of it, but did someone say Max is getting a new program? That's news to me.
 
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