2017 Four Continents Men SP
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I'm just here to help get to 20 pages before the competition starts
I think we can go better than 20. Men's SP isn't until Friday night and it's only Sunday afternoon.
Then I'm doing my part to get to 30. Let's dream big, people.
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damn it.... you beat me to it
thank you. =======================================================================================================
and for karne and a couple others : I am perfectly aware that not everyone share my opinions... and as a matter of fact, I often disagree with yours too... however, I find it cheap, that when I express something, you and others bring Patrick Chan into this conversation, when I haven't even mentioned him. Patrick, yes, is my favourite skater... Yes, he is in my username, he is featured on my avatar... If I were to tattoo a skater's name on my chest, it would be Chiddy's
However, I wish I were able to discuss the skating of other skaters, whether I like it or not, without having to read "but Patrick this or that"... Did i bring him up in the topic? No... I wish Patrick, Boyang and all the guys will give us a great show next week. We are indeed very excited about it with nearly 20 pages of posts, many very interesting contributions featured in this thread already...
However, and I repeat (hopefully for the last time), if anytime I express an opinion about a skater, it leads to a negative reply with Patrick Chan's name in it, please know that it is simply an attempt to bullying me (and Patrick's fans) to silence. I will not pursue such conversations. I will be happy to discuss Patrick's skating, according to his performances, when he is on the ice, in the middle of the night, and with a martini in hand
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It's funny how much Boyang's most ardent supporters in China enjoyed watching Patrick Chan rob their golden boy. Unhappy with Boyang's PCS, they felt judges could have given him just a little more to make it 80, meanwhile increasing Patrick's 93 to still be higher than their favorite compatriot skater. Those who watched him live had their eyes open to what figure skating was all about and how Patrick deserved the win.
I just started a thread comparing Men's PCS so far this season so as not to hijack this thread. It's clear who the current PCS king is. It's not Chan.
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Karne....My heart...
I clearly need to travel back to Australia so that we can have coffee. We can talk about Max, Patrick, and dreamy Patrick Rafter.
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OK, since I brought him up in another thread ...
is anyone looking forward to the "unsung" skaters. Like Grant Hochstein? I know I am, although I liked his Rhapsody in Blue SP and am sorry he returned to his earlier one. Slay, Grant, make that top ten; no one thought you could do it at World's last year either.
is anyone looking forward to the "unsung" skaters. Like Grant Hochstein?
I know I am, although I liked his Rhapsody in Blue SP and am sorry he returned to his earlier one. Slay, Grant, make that top ten; no one thought you could do it at World's last year either.I don't think chen will get 88-89 pcs this season. My estimate is he will get 85-87 pcs for the rest of the season. Next season, he will start with 87-89 pcs and by the time of the Olympics he will get 90-92 pcs.
ETA: This is also how uno's pcs increased from last season to this season and how hanyu's pcs increased before Sochi Olympics. By the time of the Olympics, the veterans' pcs advantage will shrink significantly.
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Rockerskating predicted that Nathan is going to win and I don't even know anymore because anyone can win! I do hope this competition can be beginning to good path of mens figure skating until olympic. What I do hope is that it won't be just a jumping program that win.
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Let's focus on the SP now. I think if all Yuzuru, Patrick, Shoma and Nathan will deliver a clean program or a program with minor mistakes, then I think Yuzuru gets the first place, followed by Chan, then Shoma and Nathan.
A clean
-Yuzuru may get a new world record
-Patrick would get a new PB and 100+ points
-Shoma like Patrick, but not sure, maybe less than 100
-Nathan would get a new PB, and around 95 I guess (he wouldn't get 44 on PCS as he did at Nationals, and his GOE would be less too)
A clean
-Yuzuru may get a new world record
-Patrick would get a new PB and 100+ points
-Shoma like Patrick, but not sure, maybe less than 100
-Nathan would get a new PB, and around 95 I guess (he wouldn't get 44 on PCS as he did at Nationals, and his GOE would be less too)
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I would be very happy if a jumping program with excellent skating skills and performance win, especially if the jumps are well integrated and not cutting up the program with long set ups.
There is no way a clean chen will only get 95. He got 92+ with only clean sp when he only did 2a. If he does 3a, he has the highest bv. He probably won't get 44 for a clean sp yet, but 43 is very possible. A clean chen will definitely score 100+. A clean chen will score higher than a clean uno as well because his bv is higher and pcs won't be much lower.
Judges have been much less generous this season than last season. All of Fernandez, hanyu and Chan got lower goe and pcs even for their clean performances this season than last season. Last season's inflation rivals Olympic inflation, maybe even more than Olympic inflation. Judges gave out +3 and 10s like candies last season. This season, judges hardly gave out +3s and 10s. (I think judges are trying to save the scores for Olympic season.) Hanyu might not even break world record when he skates clean this season despite doing more difficult programs.
When all skate clean sp, I think the ranking will be in the order of hanyu, chen, uno, Chan/Jin (Chan and Jin's clean sp scores would be close.)
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If the judges score less generously than last season then Chen shouldn't get 43 or 44 for PCS at all. Even if he lands a 3A it shouldn't be more than 98. But of course, it's the second half of the season, PCS tend to get higher + judges will surely jump on the bandwagon if Nathan goes clean, so I won't wonder if he gets higher scores than what I think would be fair.
If Hanyu lands the 4Lo perfectly and gets more +3s GOE and a little more PCS too than he did at GPF then I'd be a bit surprised if he didn't get WR.
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I know everyone are excited for Yuzuru and Nathan and Boyang and Patrick (Denis no more unfortunately) other very strong skaters, but I just hope to see Han Yan having the usual one-good-competition-in-a-season again! I mean, how many times he can break my heart? I want to see the awesome 3A! (Even more: his an Yuzuru's 3A's back to back 
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If Nathan goes clean, he gets 100+. At the TDF he scored a 92.85 with a 2A. The difference between a 3A is 5.2 times 1.1 because it's in the bonus. That makes it a addition of 5.72. That's already would increase his score to 98.57. That doesn't account for the increase in spin levels or the positive GOE on his 3A because of his spread eagle entrance which could total 2-3 points in his TES even before any increases in his PCS score. So definitely 100+ for Nathan.
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again... this is based on BV from previous competitions.... what if Patrick comes up with two quads? he would be pretty much in the same league as all the others... Sure his 4S isn't worth as much as a 4L or 4Lz, but it's also much closer in BV than a 3Lz....
I think we will soon find out who goes clean and who doesn't..... the if everyone goes clean speech hasn't been very useful in the last competitions because it almost never happens... too many risky jumps... this being said, all I will say is that I disagree with the poster who said if everyone goes clean Jin and Chan are equal.. Chan should have higher GOE and PCS enough to compensate for the 3Lz versus 4Lz here.... but we will see
I think we will soon find out who goes clean and who doesn't..... the if everyone goes clean speech hasn't been very useful in the last competitions because it almost never happens... too many risky jumps... this being said, all I will say is that I disagree with the poster who said if everyone goes clean Jin and Chan are equal.. Chan should have higher GOE and PCS enough to compensate for the 3Lz versus 4Lz here.... but we will see
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One thing for sure: This is going to be a hot mess of predictions. WAY more so than men at Euros.
Judges are less generous to the top tier skaters, i.e. Hanyu, Chan and Fernandez this season because last season's hyper-inflation already left no room for higher goe and pcs and they have to lower the goe & pcs this season in order to allow new world records to be broken in the Olympic season. On the other hand, judges are more generous to the younger skaters like Uno and Chen who are pushed by their Feds to become medal contenders at the Olympics because it's getting close to the Olympics. Feds don't just support anyone, especially big feds like JSF & USFSA. They have a big talent pool and they have many skaters to choose from. The skaters chosen by the Feds, must prove themselves by consistently delivering, so their feds can trust them to deliver under pressure.
Hanyu's pcs before Sochi went from 85 to 87, and 92 in less than a year. It's the same as Uno's pcs increase from last season to this season. Back then, many people didn't think Hanyu deserved those pcs either. The point is not about whether spectators believe whether certain skaters deserve the pcs. By the time of the Olympics, it will be the BV/TES that decides the winner. PCS is only a tie breaker when two skaters have similar TES, so the pcs gap between two medal contenders is never meant to be so huge that allows a skater to win with falls/very flawed performances over cleaner performances. (You only see a big gap in pcs between two skaters when one skater is not perceived as a medal contender by the judges at all.) This is especially true in men's competition.
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If we're sticking to the SPs, I wouldn't be so sure. Really, we don't know well enough where Nathans scores will go yet - not PCS and not GOE either. However, Shoma has gotten 43+ in PCS with relatively messed up SPs this season, and he tends to get pretty good GOE. IMO, he will likely get higher GOE on the 3A, spins and steps, which will likely be enough to at least make their final TES gap smaller than the BV gap itself, which is around 3 points. Now given that a messy Shoma got 43+ in PCS, I wouldn't be surprised if a clean one got 45-46 and would manage to keep even a clean Nathan off.
I'd agree that Nathan would win the LP though, and very likely overall (against Shoma).
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again... this is based on BV from previous competitions.... what if Patrick comes up with two quads? he would be pretty much in the same league as all the others... Sure his 4S isn't worth as much as a 4L or 4Lz, but it's also much closer in BV than a 3Lz....
I think we will soon find out who goes clean and who doesn't..... the if everyone goes clean speech hasn't been very useful in the last competitions because it almost never happens... too many risky jumps... this being said, all I will say is that I disagree with the poster who said if everyone goes clean Jin and Chan are equal.. Chan should have higher GOE and PCS enough to compensate for the 3Lz versus 4Lz here.... but we will see
A clean SP from Chan has already scored higher than Jin's clean SP - 99.76 (GPF) vs 96.17 (COC). However, it's only a speculation by a very few fans that Chan may do a 2 quad SP at this event. And it would be the first competition attempt if he did. Nevertheless, he does usually execute every element with high quality, scoring high GOE, making him very competitive even in TES against someone with a higher BV. As well he has rightfully the PCS advantage over Nathan and Jin, but not against Fenandez and Hanyu, not even over Uno these days. (He has been underscored in PCS as far as I'm concerned.)
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