Thank you. I had not noticed that. I truly hope this will be reason enough for them to do something like that for the next season. Then again, it's the Olympic season, and it did not really work out that well in the 2012/2013 season in terms of scores from judges, so they will probably want to do something that would be sure (or almost sure) to bring them gold as long as they skated it to the best of their abilities. If they did an FD similar to 'Carmen' they would really have to skate it better than in 2012/2013 (preferably, from the very start which could be quite difficult with that type of a program) - first of all, with more power and speed, as it seemed to be their problem compared to Davis/White that season. Other than that the technical elements were great in that FD, epecially the lifts.
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For now I have to enjoy it executed by Shibs 
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Very interesting observation considering that what you see is true to every dance team. Let’s take P/C, for instance, their 2015, 2016 and 2017 FDs show identical movements, choreography, steps, and lifts placed differently in each program. The Shibs’ last year FD was very similar to this year's both in movement, mood, style, and even lifts executed cleverly where suited. V/M is the same – hasn’t really changed their style even the movements and lifts (even though they're with a different coach). As regards expressions, you described Madison’s shallow, I get it you prefer ‘bland’ and ‘emotionless’. Ice-dancers tend to recycle movements, steps, footwork and, in most cases, execute these differently than their usual to give these elements fresher look. You’d easily identify the team by their styles _ they simply differ in their approaches or methodology. The same is true with choreographers, you’d easily know Igor’s work as opposed to Peter Ternechev’s (he loves circular movements), Christopher Dean’s (edgy and innovative), etc. This is more obvious in dance where dancers execute a particular dance by following the dance’s distinct features and character. Famous dancers like Bryan Watson & Carmen Vincelj performed Cha cha cha differently than Slavik Kryklyvyy & Karina Smirnoff and yet they were doing the same steps/movements. They make the dance their own by injecting their uniqueness… distinctness in terms of expression and bravura. These differences were more evident in their execution styles _ the men's particularly (Watson versus Kryklyvyy): the former tended to be flamboyant and flirty; the latter_ earthy and emotional but I like both.
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Your D/W problem is exactly my V/M problem, lol! I appreciate them objectively and completely understand why they were and are a top team, but for some strange reason they don't move me, as much as I've tried, and I really can't say why (except that it has nothing to do w national bias). I'm pretty sure I AM the lone cheese on this
hwell: On the related topic of fan groups, my favorite ID teams are those that move me, but not necessarily in the same way. E.g., D/W and the Shibs are very different and make me feel completely different emotions when watching them, but I'm a big fan of both -- D/W for their excitement and energy, and the Shibs for their refinement and serenity. It's kind of like comparing a roller coaster ride w a haiku poem.
And sometimes, why a team moves me or not is a mystery even to me.
Your D/W problem is exactly my V/M problem, lol! I appreciate them objectively and completely understand why they were and are a top team, but for some strange reason they don't move me, as much as I've tried, and I really can't say why (except that it has nothing to do w national bias). I'm pretty sure I AM the lone cheese on this
On the related topic of fan groups, my favorite ID teams are those that move me, but not necessarily in the same way. E.g., D/W and the Shibs are very different and make me feel completely different emotions when watching them, but I'm a big fan of both -- D/W for their excitement and energy, and the Shibs for their refinement and serenity. It's kind of like comparing a roller coaster ride w a haiku poem.
Wow! That's is such an elegant way to describe how I feel.
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Thanks, Mrs. P!
You're welcome!
As for Virtue and Moir, I have enjoyed some of their programs more than others (I like their Prince SD a lot!) but I can appreciate their skills and dancing.
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Congratulations to the medalists! V/M and the Shibs were the highlights for me.
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Never cared much for Virtue and Moir's programs. They always seem the same to me and rather boring. What an ugly dress, it makes her look like she is overweight.
Forget the scores at Europeans, they are just completely meaningless... and in all 4 categories!
As for the judges saying V/M will be World champions whatever performances are delivered by P/C and S/S (unless V/M makes huge mistakes), well... I don't know.
This season is quite weird imHo. To me, NHK GP, Rostelecom GP, Europeans and now 4C are quite questionable. I know pre OG seasons are always very special, with lots of conflicting interests, some focusing on the OG podium while others prepare (already) the after OG.
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V/M are a great couple, no doubt, no question. Now, I agree V/M were not the best today at 4C.
Do you feel like the 2017 Worlds podium is already decided?
I just think is sure V/M are getting the gold if they have not a serious mistake, like a fall.
A solid row of 10s for ancientpeas literary references (and a big rawhide bone for the puppy, just because it wouldn't be a competition without him)
Interesting - I like both D/W & Shibs for different reasons - Shibs for their smooth quiet edges, and elegant body lines, and D&W for their quickness in technical brilliance. I agree that both teams are more impressive live than on television. I also think V&M are fine technicians and very powerful skaters but to my eyes they tend to make some irritating glitches in presentation. Plus, I haven't liked a lot of their programs. Weaver & Poje are a striking couple, but to me they are just not as strong technicians. He is the weaker of the two dancers IMO. Chock & Bates are better seen live but are not always as consistent technically as they could be. B&S are very fast as are many of the top Russian dances, but I see only drama. After attending US Nationals in KS, I am close to making my 100th live skating competition.
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Did V/M re-arrange their elements or place some of them earlier in the FD? I remember the elements being timed differently to the music which I think worked much better before. I don't remember that big pose section after the dance spin. It seemed like a big empty spot compared to what it was like previously. I preferred the FD during the GP series.
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