But Yulia already knew how to jump when she moved to Eteri, am I wrong? And the things learned in a wrong way, when you're a child, are the most difficult to unlearn and learn it again in the right way.
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But Yulia already knew how to jump when she moved to Eteri, am I wrong? And the things learned in a wrong way, when you're a child, are the most difficult to unlearn and learn it again in the right way.
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Alina's program was balanced because it was rushed and frantic in the first and second half.
But seriously, she won with a huge score which I think she deserved. She checked all the boxes, and wrote some new boxes and checked those too. As for enjoyment and performance and all that other non-judged stuff, Marin was the winner hands-down for me.Pls look at the video from the ISU cause I feel like I'm trying to argue something so basic everyone should already be able to understand
I heard she is already practicing it....That said, I'm all for seeing more 3As. Hopefully Rika is healthy again and can skate (and jump) to her potential again next season. And ta-da, there's a potential game changer. I also wonder, looking at Kaoris big and amazing 2A, if she could do it
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Again, that was just theoretical.
If the eligibility age is raised, all coaches will, hopefully, try to teach jumps that will be sustainable beyond puberty. How good are a skater's jumps if they need to be completely re-learned differently after undergoing completely healthy and normal body changes, and should those kinds of jumps be rewarded with World and Olympic medals? Maybe not? But I also completely understand the thinking that nothing matters beyond the day of the competition, we want to reward whoever is best on that day, regardless of anything else. That is sport, after all.
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Actually you are taking an objective stand on a subjective issue and dismissing anything you don't agree with
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Only Rika?Rika?
Saya Suzuki, Rika Kihira, Riko Takino, Yuna Aoki, Yuhana Yokoi etc. They have a lot of great ladies.
The Hondas also have 2 more kids in store if Marin is not enough.
They have tons of girls for juniors and senior ranks. For juniors: Rika Kihira, Mako Yamashita, Yuna Shiraiwa, Akari Matsubara, Akari Matsuoka, Saya Suzuki, Riko Takino, Rino Kasakake, Rion Sumiyoshi, Moa Iwano and many others....
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RIKA! :shock2:
That would make all kinds of sense. Hopefully she stays healthy and gets successful with the jump. I bet a 3A from her would be a beauty too
I am sure too. She is still 15 anyway, there is no need to rush herself to senior. Kaori didn't, mai didn't. It turns out fine for those 2 at least. Marin and Kaori has nothing left to do in junior imo, they have more to lose if they stay.
Exactly. It's simply a shame that a complete gorgeous skate like Marin's lost to that jumping/spinning/frantic transitions display. Of course in seniors Marin can score 70 in pcs and Alina 65/6 making things more balanced but we know that's not how it works with figure skating judging.
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The thing about back loading and imbalanced program should result in deduction on the choreography surely. Am I wrong?
Or is it up to judge's discretion based on what they feel again?
I thi nk that "a decuction on choreography" is the wrong language. It's just that some programs are better-consturcted that others. Some of the considerations for the composition mark are:
Definition: (Composition
Criteria:
Purpose: (Idea, concept, vision, mood)
To reward the intentional and quality design of a program. Proportion (equal weight of all parts)
Each part and section has equal weight in achieving the aesthetic pursuit of the
composition.
Unity – purposeful threading of all movements
A program achieves unity when: every step, movement, and element is motivated by the music. As well, all its parts, big or small, seem necessary to the whole, and there is an underlying vision or symbolic meaning that threads together the entire composition....
Phrasing and Form (movement and parts are structured to match the phrasing of the music)
A phrase is a unit of movement marked by an impulse of energy that grows, builds, finds a conclusion, and then flows easily and naturally into the next movement phrase. Form is the presentation of an idea, the development of the idea, and its conclusion presented in a specific number of parts and a specific order for design...
I am not a choreographer, but I think that it would be challenging to say the least to accomplish these goals in a program that holds back on all the good stuff until the exact two minute mark and then erupts in a flurry of high leaps and bounds. On the contrary, the music ebbs and flows, builds to internal climaxes, then subsides, etc.
That said, there was a great point made upthread that Zagitova's Don Quiote music did support a bunch of athletic jumping closer to the end. Anyway, we don't have to devolve to "what the judges feel." But we can, I hope, rely on the judges to have some sort of experience and expertise in judging when choreography is good or bad based on reasonable and well-accepted criteria.
Yes...I think you actually are wrong
The world balance only appears in P/E
I think "balance" there means that each partner of a pairs or dance term should equally share the load with the other.
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1 spin+3 jumps/ 2spin+stsq+ 4 jumps is this balanced??
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3 spin+4 jumps/ stsq+3 jumps how bout this??
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1 spin=stsq/2 spin=7 jumps
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2 spin+5 jumps/ 2 jumps+stsq
See its very vague and can be interpreted in so many ways.
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-Unless rules are changed in jumping passes, Zagitova could easily challenge or beat Evgenia (who's on a league on her own in Seniors) in a few years if she's getting scores like these in the juniors already!
Marin had the skate of the night for me. Girl really knows when to peak and skate clean.
Marin had the skate of the night for me. Girl really knows when to peak and skate clean.
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