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Thanks for the translation of Keiji's interview (and the info on the newspaper, if only I could get my hands on it, I'd bring that to any competition I attended!).

I really did enjoy seeing all three of them participating at NHK Trophy together, I hope they get more chances to compete against each other internationally.
 
kiches said:
Thanks for the translation of Keiji's interview (and the info on the newspaper, if only I could get my hands on it, I'd bring that to any competition I attended!).

I really did enjoy seeing all three of them participating at NHK Trophy together, I hope they get more chances to compete against each other internationally.
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It was really fun seeing them at NHK, their joint interview was especially fun.

Saw this today on Tumblr, Yuzu helping repair the ice at Helsinki. https://kichessarjilian.tumblr.com/post/160758671359/tokyopt-pamigena-worlds :luv17:
 
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Interspectator said:
https://twitter.com/gumi_pooh/status/864604487687716864/photo/1 --This is one heck of a centerfold. :shocked:
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Looking for this advertisement was my first thing in this morning, but all I saw were advertisements of super market near my house :laugh:

Thank you for sharing Keiji's article! In the first page, he talked about his music choice and he said his choreographer usually chose the music for his competitive programs and he liked that way, and that he would say "yes" to whatever the music may be. On the other hand, Yuzuru seems that he likes to discuss his music choice with his team and skate to the piece which he can relate to. It's not that which way is better but it is interesting every skater has his/her own strategy :)
 
Just updated the different - now hopefully unzayaked - layouts once again:
https://eiskunstlaufblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3&p=692#p692

For everyone who doesn't know what this is all about: Yesterday I've done some freaky brain storming with Excel and tried to calculate the highest possible total score as well as the highest scores Yuzuru could nail with his current and potential repertoire of jumps:
https://eiskunstlaufblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3&start=80#p686

Is there still a mistake in terms of violating current single skating rules that has to be corrected? Or is there another layout possibility with higher base value that I haven't noticed yet?

By the way: dealing with the Zayak-rule made me realize how massively it's restricting the number of layouts. Although it's called a "free skate", the skater is not really free to choose anymore in my opinion. It's okay that you're not allowed to repeat the same jump more than twice, but to claim a maximum of two repeats in the complete free skate is insane. What do you think?
 
Henni147 said:
Just updated the different - now hopefully unzayaked - layouts once again:
https://eiskunstlaufblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3&p=692#p692

For everyone who doesn't know what this is all about: Yesterday I've done some freaky brain storming with Excel and tried to calculate the highest possible total score as well as the highest scores Yuzuru could nail with his current and potential repertoire of jumps:
https://eiskunstlaufblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3&start=80#p686

Is there still a mistake in terms of violating current single skating rules that has to be corrected? Or is there another layout possibility with higher base value that I haven't noticed yet?

By the way: dealing with the Zayak-rule made me realize how massively it's restricting the number of layouts. Although it's called a "free skate", the skater is not really free to choose anymore in my opinion. It's okay that you're not allowed to repeat the same jump more than twice, but to claim a maximum of two repeats in the complete free skate is insane. What do you think?
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You can repeat doubles twice too, independently of the quad/triple limit, but that's not a particularly point-getting thing.

From your layouts, which I browsed quickly, you can't actually use the 4A as the axel requirement in the SP. For men, the axel requirement can only be met by a 2A or 3A. You could use 4A as the solo non-axel jump, though. You can't do a -4T combo in SP either. The requirements are 3-2, 3-3, 4-2 or 4-3 jump combinations so you can only, at most, attach a 3T or 3Lo at the end of the combo. The best you could do right now would be Quad-3Lo combo for maximum points in the SP. So 4Lz-3Lo 4A 3A might be the highest achievable SP jump layout with current rules.
 
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You can repeat doubles twice too, independently of the quad/triple limit, but that's not a particularly point-getting thing.

From your layouts, which I browsed quickly, you can't actually use the 4A as the axel requirement in the SP. For men, the axel requirement can only be met by a 2A or 3A. You could use 4A as the solo non-axel jump, though. You can't do a -4T combo in SP either. The requirements are 3-2, 3-3, 4-2 or 4-3 jump combinations so you can only, at most, attach a 3T or 3Lo at the end of the combo. The best you could do right now would be Quad-3Lo combo for maximum points in the SP. So 4Lz-3Lo 4A 3A might be the highest achievable SP jump layout with current rules.
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Thank you very much for that explanation! I've seen these restrictions in the official ISU handbook, but I really thought that the 4A is not listed as an Axel-jump only because no skater has landed it in an official competition yet (same with the 4-4 combination) and the rules would get an immediate update as soon as someone has landed these jumps. #Naivety :laugh:

I would cry from laughing, If Yuzuru nailed a perfect 4Lz, 4Lo+3T, than spontaneously decided to go for the 4A - get that as well - and receive no points for the invalid Axel-jump.
"F*** the perfect 4A - we want to see a double or triple." - ISU forever

*That surely will never happen because he knows the rules.
 
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Thank you very much for that explanation! I've seen these restrictions in the official ISU handbook, but I really thought that the 4A is not listed as an Axel-jump only because no skater has landed it in an official competition yet (same with the 4-4 combination) and the rules would get an immediate update as soon as someone has landed these jumps. #Naivety :laugh:

I would cry from laughing, If Yuzuru nailed a perfect 4Lz, 4Lo+3T, than spontaneously decided to go for the 4A - get that as well - and receive no points for the invalid Axel-jump.
"F*** the perfect 4A - we want to see a double or triple." - ISU forever

*That surely will never happen because he knows the rules.
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Apparently it took quite a while after it was landed for the first time for the 3A to actually be introduced as part of the SP requirements. So the 4A is unlikely to be added to it any time soon, not even if someone lands it in the near future.
 
xeyra said:
Apparently it took quite a while after it was landed for the first time for the 3A to actually be introduced as part of the SP requirements. So the 4A is unlikely to be added to it any time soon, not even if someone lands it in the near future.
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-It needs to be something that the majority of top skaters can do before they make it a requirement.
 
Just popping in to say that I'm very new to the figure skating world and have recently discovered Yuzuru. He's a joy to watch and is very inspiring! I'm looking forward to seeing him in the Olympics.
 
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-It needs to be something that the majority of top skaters can do before they make it a requirement.
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It could be not a requirement, but valuable, for example, the axel could be a 4A, 3A or 2A. Ladies have a similar problem; now some ladies are training quads, but there are not valuable in the SP:shrug:
 
So the addition of a 4A wouldn't be a massive score booster really. You could substitute the solo 4Lo with it, but this would only be 3 points more in the SP's base value plus 0,6 points in the max. GOE and there is no guarantee that you profit from it at all, if you can't execute it with a solid quality and success rate.
In the free skate it would have an impact, if Yuzuru added the 4A instead of the 3F, but physically it would be insane to land 5 or even 6 quads, if the 4A is among them (not to speak of a 10% bonus and GOE's).

This is everything but no motivation to add the 4A and maybe that's exactly the reason for these restrictions - restrain the skaters from practicing this jump and prevent them from severe injuries...?

In my opinion it would be better to speak of "minimum requirements" like "a solo jump with at least three rotations". To allow a 4A as an Axel-jump in the SP doesn't automatically mean that it is a requirement just like the 3A is not necessary, too. You can land a 2A as well, if you can't do the triple. If there is a skater, who is able to land a 4A - why not rewarding him (or her) for that achievement?
 
Henni147 said:
So the addition of a 4A wouldn't be a massive score booster really. You could substitute the solo 4Lo with it, but this would only be 3 points more in the SP's base value plus 0,6 points in the max. GOE and there is no guarantee that you profit from it at all, if you can't execute it with a solid quality and success rate.
In the free skate it would have an impact, if Yuzuru added the 4A instead of the 3F, but physically it would be insane to land 5 or even 6 quads, if the 4A is among them (not to speak of a 10% bonus and GOE's).

This is everything but no motivation to add the 4A and maybe that's exactly the reason for these restrictions - restrain the skaters from practicing this jump and prevent them from severe injuries...?

In my opinion it would be better to speak of "minimum requirements" like "a solo jump with at least three rotations". To allow a 4A as an Axel-jump in the SP doesn't automatically mean that it is a requirement just like the 3A is not necessary, too. You can land a 2A as well, if you can't do the triple. If there is a skater, who is able to land a 4A - why not rewarding him (or her) for that achievement?
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I think 15 points isn't enough for 4A. The point difference with 4Lz is ridiculous, especially now when 4Lz isn't rare anymore.
If you can get the same points with decent 4lz or really good 4F and 4lo will you be motivated to try an extremely dangerous and difficult new quad?
 
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