This immediately brought to mind South Korea at the 2002 Fifa World Cup - talk about blatant cheating!
You mean Italy at 2006
This immediately brought to mind South Korea at the 2002 Fifa World Cup - talk about blatant cheating!
Figure skating is the only sport where fans disagree about calls? Or where it only favors one party?
Really? anyone for Pete Morelli and the Philadelphia Eagles? I know 99.99% will need to google it, if they even care, but sports, sports, sports of all sorts have these arguments All.The.Time.
Jason had a great skate, he brought it, his sophisticated and mature skating, spinning and performance skills, all integral parts of this *sport* of figure skating, are second to none.
And frankly I don’t care about the “future” of figure skating, I don’t care about the “past”, I care about the here and now. Unless you’re bringing Toller back. And maybe Christopher Bowman
This is a sport, not a popularity contest.
* I think it's super super important to note that the judges don't access to the same camera angle they do. I think from what I could see from looking at the judging panel, they only have the full-body replay, they don't have access to the super close-up slow-mo.
@snowflake, thank you for posting that clip of Johnny and Tara’s commentary on the 3A. I think it was fine for them to point the < they saw out. What wasn’t fine IMO was for Johnny in his role as commentator to complain that it was unfair to other skaters. He has a responsibility to educate television viewers that what they are seeing on the NBC feed is not necessarily the same feed the tech panel are reviewing. He didn’t do that.
* I think it's odd that people act like skating is the ONLY sport where calls are made and disagree upon. While football/basketball are far less subjective, there are calls that do make a difference in results and the commentators/refs disagree quite a bit.
Oops, sorry Vincent. I am showing my age. I was brought up on the Wade-Giles transliteration of Chinese into English. I remember when the right-hand man of Mao Tse-tung (now Mao Zedong) was Premier Chou En-lai (now Zhou En-lai). Anyway, here's best wishes for Caroline Jiang this evening.
Here it is, at the 8:00 Minute mark.
Mr Marqus is uploading everything MSNBC / NBC are broadcasting, not only the performances from announcing a skater's name to their score being announced. Really helps (me) to get into the mood of the event.
Despite all their flaws, they really know how to put on a show and all their fluff pieces are worth watching. Even despite Tara and Johnny's commentaries!
Wow, I always thought the tech panel had the best views to watch in repeat. In more than one angel. I've read posters here defending skaters jumps due to the techs having better opportunities for correct judgements. So this means the skaters/choregraphers can place their hardest jumps in an angel where the tech panel doesn't have the best view then
I don't know who you mean by 'people'. As a football watcher I've seen hundreds of calls that I don't agree with: penalty kicks or not, offside calls or not, hand or not etc
I read just the other day that it's common practice to place some jumps in certain areas just for this reason. I think with the Lutz the idea was that it would be harder to spot a flutz this way.
Kind of like hiding the weaker twizzles behind the stronger partner. This is nothing new, it has been done for years to hide two foot landings. I just watched Sandra Bezic commenting on the confidence of Bereznaya & Sikharulidze in placing their sbs triples directly in front of the judging panel in their SP in Vancouver.
Amen...your whole post is spot on.Um, just pause the video at the point where Jason's toe pick touches the ice. I think it's pretty clear it's >1/4 short.
I would agree with your last statement if flutzers weren't uncalled 95% of the time, and if URs of some top ladies weren't uncalled 90% of the time. This obvious fraudery has been going on for the past 3+ years. (I don't follow men's skating much but it seems that this isn't the fist time Jason is getting away with something). Please tell me how that qualifies FS as a sport.
Also, I think Mirai's 3T in the SP should have been called. I'm a big fan of Mirai, but I think that was unfair. I am not afraid to admit this for the integrity of the sport.
It certainly happens in basketball. Michael Jordan was always allowed to take an extra step without being called for traveling. This got so blatant that the NBA eventually changed the rule to allow greater leeway on traveling calls.
Wilt Chamberlain never, in his whole career, fouled out of a game. They were quite up front about it: the customers were paying to see Chamberlain play, not to see him sitting on the bench with five fouls. In general, the referees let the stars get away with a lot of stuff that they call lesser players for.
Just because it happens in other sports, doesn't mean it's "okay" to happen in FS. That's just a pathetic excuse.
Placement at Nationals is the number one, tier one, criterion. Then it drifts down to criteria that are less heavily weighted, such as last year's worlds, grand prix medals, etc. Results previous to last year do not count at all.
Wow that is so interesting! It makes sense, Chou and Zhou sound similar. Did they revise the Wade-Giles transliteration for better phonetic accuracy? Did that apply to other languages as well?
Phil Hersh wrote an article last year about the selection criteria for worlds and stated that the same criteria will be used for the 2018 Olympics:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2017/01/20/214003280/new-rule-impacts-world-team-selection-procedure
Athletes shall be selected based upon performance(s) in the events below. The events have been stratified into tiers from the highest value events in Tier 1 through the lowest value events in Tier 3. Events within each tier shall be evaluated at equal weight.
Tier 1
2018 U.S. Figure Skating Championships
2017 ISU Grand Prix Final
2017 ISU World Figure Skating Championships
Tier 2
2017 Grand Prix Series Competitions
2017 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships
Tier 3
2017 Challenger Series Events
2017 U.S. Figure Skating Championships
2017 World Junior Figure Skating Championships
2017 ISU Junior Grand Prix Final
Wow that is so interesting! It makes sense, chou and Zhou sound similar. Did they revise the Wade-Giles transliteration for better phonetic accuracy? Did that apply to other languages as well?
I think it looked borderline to me. Michael Weiss has this viewpoint also (he was doing the IN commentary).
And again, people get away with uncalled things in sport all the time. See the post Mathman mentioned above I don't agree or accept it, but I think this idea that the fact that human beings may decide a call you disagree make something less of a sport. But YMMV.