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2026 U.S.Nationals Senior Women Short Program
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I agree with Johnny's comment that Bradie was scored harshly compared to Sarah Everhardt. I thought a few of Sarah's jumps were on the Q at least but were not called.
The Olympic-bound women seemed identified as, in some order, Amber, Alysa and Isabeau. But the alternate is important in this age of difficult training and potential injuries. I think Bradie is that alternate over Sarah. Sarah has the technique but lacks the style and panache needed for an elite skater. Bradie has shown the fire and determination.
How do you figure? If you look at the BV of all 3, they all got GOE of about 10 points... so how is Alysa overscored? Alysa does have the hardest 3 3 combo and does it with 10 percent bonus.... that does make up the different against Amber 3A... your bias is showing.
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I agree that Alysa’s BV makes up the difference on Amber technically and gives her a technical edge over Levito. Glenn’s triples being a flip loop and toe compared to Liu’s lutz flip loop also gives up some BV cutting into her 3A vs 2A advantage.
I do disagree that Liu (and arguably Amber) deserved better PCS than Levito though (I think Levito’s lines and skating quality and expression are superior). Would have put Liu a bit behind Levito on PCS. Glenn was lights out and had a triple axel so the overall impression/presentation of her program could be deemed comparable to Levito who had to do her program without the added risk/difficulty of a triple axel. It is a bit ridiculous that if Levito had a triple axel she may still be behind Liu but that’s just hypothetical. Would have put Liu at maybe an 79 and Glenn at an 80. A couple years ago Levito would have had the top PCS but Liu gets the world champ (and pre Olympics promo/hyping as the fave) PCS bump and Amber gets the triple axel PCS bump.
Really impressed with the quality of short programs! I know the scoring is Nats generosity but these women still delivered!
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I agree with you about the importance of the alternates. But there's another side to the coin - neither Sarah nor Bradie are probable podium threats, so this is about opportunity. Do you reward the stalwart with a parting gift - a recognition for a decade of service to USFSA... or do you give the up-and-comer valuable experience and exposure that is likely to be of long-term benefit - both to her and the federation?
There are merits to both arguments, and that's why I believe that you should take the decision out of the hands of a selection committee and place it on the blades of the athletes. Whoever wants that potential opportunity needs to go out and earn it on the ice. Right here, right now. Highest placement gets the gig.
And that also means that you MUST give the athletes a level playing field. No thumbs on the scales, tech panel.
I hope it goes without saying that I hope that all this means for the top alternate is bragging rights, and that NONE of the alternates are actually called upon to fulfill her duty.
Liu PCS is hype because she is the world champ, winner of woman team and grand prix winner. That is the reality of the sport. You deliver on the grand stage and you PCS is award because of it. However Liu didn't win in PCS in the grand prix, that was SAKAMOTO. Liu won there because of consistency of both program Here PCS in the short at grand was 35.15 compare to here where they gave her 37.5 but Amber got the biggest boost from 33.35 to 36.9 so judge has always reward PCS when you deliver a clean program... and national is boosting the PCS favorite prior to the Olympic it the nature of the beast..
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Sure there's some national inflation. Am I overjoyed about that? No.Liu PCS is hype because she is the world champ, winner of woman team and grand prix winner. That is the reality of the sport. You deliver on the grand stage and you PCS is award because of it. However Liu didn't win in PCS in the grand prix, that was SAKAMOTO. Liu won there because of consistency of both program Here PCS in the short at grand was 35.15 compare to here where they gave her 37.5 but Amber got the biggest boost from 33.35 to 36.9 so judge has always reward PCS when you deliver a clean program... and national is boosting the PCS favorite prior to the Olympic it the nature of the beast..
But at least part of the increase in PCS can be legitimately attributed to this fact: both Alysa and Amber skated these short programs far better than they have at any time this season, and I'm not just referring to the technical aspect.
I'm always confounded by arguments like "she only scored 30 PCS in a previous outing, and now she's scored 33! Rigged!" Don't we EXPECT skaters to improve the programs over the course of a season? Wouldn't you think that US Nationals is a focal point of their training, and that they've done everything possible to fine-tune and polish these performances - with the hopes that hard work will result in higher component scores?
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As much as I adored the scores believed all skaters earned , the free skates of Alyssa would be 162 Amber 166. and Isabeau 155. Isabeau is more likely doable
Yes Alyssa could also Amber might but I am thinking h 155 -160 range for all three .
But if skate like in short anything possible.
.I think Isabeau under 2 point . Bradie landing didnt help her maybe a 70 Sarah about right.
I am not going to quibble over it.
The last group brought it. They brought excellent memories for themselves, confidence and wonderful memories for us.
They share the best of their skating .
Thank
Yes Alyssa could also Amber might but I am thinking h 155 -160 range for all three .
But if skate like in short anything possible.
.I think Isabeau under 2 point . Bradie landing didnt help her maybe a 70 Sarah about right.
I am not going to quibble over it.
The last group brought it. They brought excellent memories for themselves, confidence and wonderful memories for us.
They share the best of their skating .
Thank
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I think Glenn, Liu and Levito levels are almost equal but my points if artistic impression we are talking is for Amber . Like a prayer allow to express more ideas and need more expressive quality for interpret the idea. Levito music is ok but haven't more rhythm variation and that it can feel like flat rhythm and Liu was good music for the choreography but maybe if act more to deliver the message and feeling what her SP music mean together with a footwork that allow show the music feeling it can be wonderful and more emotional yet.
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That being said 4CC's is determined by Nationals as well and the often retirement after the olympics means the or an alternate is called upon.. It is US Nationals and they want to promote the top skaters for olympic medals but there was no need to be so harsh to Bradie. She seemed to be treated a bit harshly. I get it Sarah is the future and they want to promote her. THe top 3 in the short are by far the top 3 for the olympics. Even Isabeau's body of work is far greater than Sarah or Bradie. I am not sure about Alyssa's tactic of introducing a new long program here and potentially throwing in a 3A at olympics though that might be just to scare her competitors. She's not stupid.
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I agree there was a notable improvement in performance from both Amber and Alyssa, and an increase in PCS was earned. I suppose people can quibble over the amount of the increase, but it was deserved. I thought Alyssa was faster throughout her program than she has been all year - one reason why her combo was successful.
I thought Isabeau skated very well too. It was a good night of skating all around.
I thought Isabeau skated very well too. It was a good night of skating all around.
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Isabeau is my favorite, but Amber was the one who made me cry this time. Congrats to her for the flawless skate and new NR. Now can the top 3 just stay in the top 3
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I have no bias between these three women. They each have unique strengths and weaknesses, which is precisely why I feel that their scores should reflect how they perform the day of. Yes, Alysa has some technical advantage, but that should be made up for by Levito’s superior artistry. “Hype” PCS, as you later put it, may be the nature of the beast, but it is also fair to characterize it, as I did, as resulting in overscoring.
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Wow.
I really liked Wallace's program and that cool spin thing she did at the end was really great to watch but of course, there were the mistakes. I expect her technical scores to be downgraded from what we just saw.
I really liked Wallace's program and that cool spin thing she did at the end was really great to watch but of course, there were the mistakes. I expect her technical scores to be downgraded from what we just saw.
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