2018-19 U.S. Men’s figure skating

[ice coverage]

maybe it would be more beneficial to him to go to another coach/jump specialist. His coaches students in general have ur problems and vincent has been with them for a long time right? If they taught him his current technique since he was a child, it doesn’t seem rational to me that they’re suddenly gonna teach him the right technique now when that’s what they should have been doing all these years. I think he would benefit going to someone else that would completely rework his technique/jumps.

i think vincent's only been with zakrasjek for a couple of years. But all the same, zakrasjek's other senior international man last season had no problems with urs. At all. ....

max had good jumps!

How long has vincent been with tom? He has been with tammy since childhood. ...

As oatmella said, it is only Tammy who has coached Vincent since childhood.

AFAIK/IIRC:

After originally joining Team Tom Z for the 2015-16 season, Vincent relocated back to Tammy as his coach for 2016-2017. (IIRC, toward the end of the 2016-17 season, Vincent added Tom back to his team as a consultant of sorts.)
At the beginning of 2017-2018, Vincent's coaching team was Tammy, Tom Z, and Drew Meekins (whose coaching and choreo had helped Vincent a lot in the preceding years) and Vincent once again was based in Colorado Springs.
Before 2018 Nationals, Vincent added Christy Krall as another coach.​

:agree: Agree re Max's good jumps.

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Camden Pulkinen's skating (including jumps) is wonderful.
But I will say again that I am opposed to labelling any skater as "So-and-So Junior" -- even if intended to be a positive reflection on both skaters.

Camden deserves his own identity.

Good luck at JGPF to Camden and Tomoki. :yay:

(I will miss Torgashev.)

 

[mrrice]

As oatmella said, it is only Tammy who has coached Vincent since childhood.

AFAIK/IIRC:

After originally joining Team Tom Z for the 2015-16 season, Vincent relocated back to Tammy as his coach for 2016-2017. (IIRC, toward the end of the 2016-17 season, Vincent added Tom back to his team as a consultant of sorts.)
At the beginning of 2017-2018, Vincent's coaching team was Tammy, Tom Z, and Drew Meekins (whose coaching and choreo had helped Vincent a lot in the preceding years) and Vincent once again was based in Colorado Springs.
Before 2018 Nationals, Vincent added Christy Krall as another coach.​

:agree: Agree re Max's good jumps.

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Camden Pulkinen's skating (including jumps) is wonderful.
But I will say again that I am opposed to labelling any skater as "So-and-So Junior" -- even if intended to be a positive reflection on both skaters.

Camden deserves his own identity.

Good luck at JGPF to Camden and Tomoki. :yay:

(I will miss Torgashev.)

Sorry......I totally do that..... I'll stop.

 

[mrrice]

Congratulations Jason Brown on a well skated SP in Croatia. 2nd behind Kolyada.

 

[chuckm]

Jason just WON Golden Spin!! WOW. He MUST be sent to Worlds.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Jason just WON Golden Spin!! WOW. He MUST be sent to Worlds.

On the basis of a six triple LP at a Senior B? He's steady enough to make the podium at Nationals and make the World team anyway, but I don't think Golden Spin should be the decisive factor.

 

[Mrs. P]

On the basis of a six triple LP at a Senior B? He's steady enough to make the podium at Nationals and make the World team anyway, but I don't think Golden Spin should be the decisive factor.

Definitely not. But he's certainly scoring well in spite of not being fully clean in the FS. I think he will make the case at Nationals. He's definitely on an upward trajectory. His FS score was like 147 at ACI. It's gone up over 20 points over the course of three competitions.

 

[Seren]

On the basis of a six triple LP at a Senior B? He's steady enough to make the podium at Nationals and make the World team anyway, but I don't think Golden Spin should be the decisive factor.

I agree with that- but he is on an upward trajectory. I think the biggest focus with his skating has been restoring confidence- as his confidence improves his mistakes are fewer. I'm not nervous watching his triple axel anymore which is a huge thing. He clearly can't win against the top skaters- but if he continues to score high could be instrumental in gaining spots.

I am most interested to see how he is skating at the end of the season. He is definitely re establishing himself as US #2.

 

[karne]

On the basis of a six triple LP at a Senior B? He's steady enough to make the podium at Nationals and make the World team anyway, but I don't think Golden Spin should be the decisive factor.

Well then, do tell me about all those other US men that have outscored him - or even scored over 250 this season - who should be sent ahead of him, who should be considered better prospects at this point. I can't wait to see the long list of illustrious names.

 

[chuckm]

How about 2018 World Champion Nathan Chen?

 

[oatmella]

Jason has shown this season that he can score higher than all the US men other than Nathan.

He's regaining his confidence and showing improvement with each competition. Hoping he skates well at Nationals, and hope to see him on the Worlds and 4CC Teams!

Congrats to Jason on his win at Golden Spin!

 

[chopinskate]

It is hardly a shock that someone coached by Gambill has issues with jumps. Look at her "record": Caroline Zhang, Brendan Kerry, Karen Chen. Promising skaters who had issues with jumps (and before karne comes at me, Kerry did indeed have issues when he was with her). Goodness knows why she's allowed to coach further. Well, by "goodness knows" I mean "USFS politics can diaf".

 

[concorde]

Please tell me one elite US coach whose students do not have under rotation issues. Nathan is with RAF but his other students have issues.

 

[century2009]

After seeing all the same problems with their skaters, Tom and Gambill are really not good coaches. Their skaters continue to have problems with underrotation and they dont fix it.

I like their skaters too, but worry about these skaters because they have potential, but not guided well.

For example, Vincent has had these underrotation problem way before, and I dont know why they didnt slowly work to prevent this because now it is the worst for him.

And now, Vincent has a reputation for underrotation, and the judges are looking at them all closely.

 

[ice coverage]

After seeing all the same problems with their skaters, Tom and Gambill are really not good coaches. Their skaters continue to have problems with underrotation …

Again: "all the same problems with their skaters" is not true.

Camden does not underrotate.

And Max did not.

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Congratulations to Jason.

 

[skylark]

Jason has shown this season that he can score higher than all the US men other than Nathan.

He's regaining his confidence and showing improvement with each competition. Hoping he skates well at Nationals, and hope to see him on the Worlds and 4CC Teams!

Congrats to Jason on his win at Golden Spin!

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I think that's really the key, for Jason. In comparing a figure skater to his opera-singing career, Jonathan Beyer (sp?) said, "I'm motivated by positive reinforcement." My impression is that Brian Orser and Tracy Wilson do that. Or possibly that they're very wise and perceptive and determine what reinforcement works best for each individual skater, but I'm guessing the first. That, plus the training going back to basics are proving to Jason himself that he's a great skater. That's the real value of the Golden Spin win. Rebuilding.

 

[chopinskate]

Again: "all the same problems with their skaters" is not true.

I mean, sure, but that hardly takes away from the fact that they're bad coaches.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Well then, do tell me about all those other US men that have outscored him - or even scored over 250 this season - who should be sent ahead of him, who should be considered better prospects at this point. I can't wait to see the long list of illustrious names.

He can earn it at Nationals like everyone else

 

[century2009]

Again: "all the same problems with their skaters" is not true.

Camden does not underrotate.

And Max did not.

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Congratulations to Jason.

I didnt say all their skaters like you seem to misinterpret as "all" when it does even say that in my post as you even quoted

Also, I didnt say only underrotation as well. It was an example.

It is more of their issues with their jumps.

And sadly what happened to Camden is confirming the problem of Tom as a coach sadly

 

[el henry]

He can earn it at Nationals like everyone else

Of which Jason has every intention, for sure

But that doesn’t answer the question, who is the man not named Nathan Chen who is a better *prospect* at Nationals?

 

[oatmella]

Honestly I don’t see Jason not earning it - as long as he skates well at Nationals. I am guessing he hasn’t reached his season’s peak yet either.

I like Vincent too, but it seems difficult at this point for him to score higher than Jason.