2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[chasingneverland]

I'm sort of pissed off about the probation like shes a criminal. I am happy she is back when the lady I think you nicknamed Queen Tut. So what are the easons? To get her ahead of Dasha and Maya and sasha for the Olympic team? Work to keep her away from other Moscow based coaches who could help this girl get her back into good form during the Olympic season? which would pose a real threat do a couple of the EG girls.

So if after 2 months Aliona doesn't cut the mustard they're going to let her go to cska Davydov or snow leopards or Mishin? I'm sure any one of these coaches would love to have AK going into the Olympic season. I was pumped that alyona is back with TT then I saw the interview about the probation. She can't miss any more days and we all know the girl is not feeling well. But I'm willing to wait and see how it goes and see if she can fit back into TT have that fast paced training they do.

Probationary isn't always criminal. Sometimes you have probational periods for academics and stuff.

Think of it as a conditional acceptance. It could also be good for Aliona too. It might give her a realistic idea of what to expect but she's also free to leave at the end of the season too. And if she's proven herself to Eteri she'll also have proven it to herself. And that confidence will be invaluable going into the Olympic year. She'll need it.

 

[NAOTMAA]

I haven't read through all the pages but is there any information on what what's up with Rozanov at POA now that Kostornaia is gone?

Is Trusova going to start working with him again now that she's sole #1 at POA and doesn't have to share? Or they don't and he's just going to continue at POA and train the younger girls who don't have a big profile yet behind the scenes?

 

[iamchrislao]

Really. I mean she's smiling and laughing in the video here. It looks like she's happy to be given this opportunity to prove herself.

Really. I mean she's smiling and laughing in the video here. It looks like she's happy to be given this opportunity to prove herself.

Yes. She is smarter now and has new perspectives. She’s definitely on the right track. She’s home. I find nothing wrong with what happened. Guys, seriously. Quit it. U know in my profession (law), we think about quitting every day and think of rebelling every day given the harsh conditions. I have friends who left for another firm hoping for a semblance of work-life balance, only to concede that they grew more in the brutal firm. If adults like us make these mistakes given the cutthroat and stressful conditions, i think we can cut a child some slack. So pls. Quit with the attitude problem theory. This line of reasoning is far too egregious to be sustained, especially by those who aren’t or have never been in the line of fire. Also, even if we concede that, Aliona HAS the talent to back up any sort of “attitude.” Just saying.

 

[Amei]

I haven't read through all the pages but is there any information on what what's up with Rozanov at POA now that Kostornaia is gone?

Is Trusova going to start working with him again now that she's sole #1 at POA and doesn't have to share? Or they don't and he's just going to continue at POA and train the younger girls who don't have a big profile yet behind the scenes?

That's all Trusova needs...another coaching team change. Morozov was pictured with her and Plushenko, not sure if his capacity is as a coach or choreographer with her, but he's got a much better track record than Rozanov; Rozanov is too-inexperienced I feel and its a really big gamble to rely that inexperience especially going into an Olympic year.

 

[PaulE]

I had to look up the term 'kayfabe' and finally discovered that pro wrestling is a pre-scripted performance carried out by actors Never watched, but all this time I vaguely thought it was an actual sport (like Olympic wrestling but with stroppier, higher-paid athletes and a funny dress code).

I'm sorry too for going off topic. I also did not know what "kayfabe" meant. But as usual the cartoon series "South Park" had something satirical to say about wrestling: https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/rxshnv/south-park-wrestling-takedown-federation. I apologize to all the non American english speakers on the forum as even I have a hard time understanding the kids at times.

 

[lopsilceci]

I haven't read through all the pages but is there any information on what what's up with Rozanov at POA now that Kostornaia is gone?

Is Trusova going to start working with him again now that she's sole #1 at POA and doesn't have to share? Or they don't and he's just going to continue at POA and train the younger girls who don't have a big profile yet behind the scenes?

I doubt it.
Sasha has Plushenko, Mikhailov and now Morozov, I guess. I don't think Rozanov could add anything that she couldn't get from the other coaches.

He'll probably be coaching some of the younger skaters... Or who knows? They have Lipnitskaya now too.
Maybe they'll use him mainly for choreography.

 

[yume]

To me that's the worst part of all of this. She left cause she wanted more, she wanted to smile and arguargbly had all the rights to do it.

It didn't work with Plushenko and now she is half-forced to come back if she wants to get relevant again which is extremely sad.

The vibes from the article are kinda creepy to me, the public self-humiliation hoping the old coach still cares about you is just wrong in my mind. I'd have never done it, rather go somewhere else.

Unfortunately she didn't have fed and Tarasova with her.

 

[Scott512]

Probationary isn't always criminal. Sometimes you have probational periods for academics and stuff.

Think of it as a conditional acceptance. It could also be good for Aliona too. It might give her a realistic idea of what to expect but she's also free to leave at the end of the season too. And if she's proven herself to Eteri she'll also have proven it to herself. And that confidence will be invaluable going into the Olympic year. She'll need it.

Excellent points.

Interesting that aliona can leave at the end ofbthe season. I think TT will keep her who are the Olympic season partly to keep her away from cska Sergei Davydov who teaches the triple Axel and quads. While I'm happy aliona is back at TT she is number 6 on the depth chart right now and number 7 overall when you consider competition for those three vital Olympic spots for the Russian ladies. EG does not want Kosto anywhere near Davydov where Aliona would be the #1 senior lady and have a real chance to get her 3A back. If Aliona makes a run at the Olympic team and the worlds team after the Olympics EG wants it to be with her or she will get the credit for it.. So while Eteri is being regarded as charitable and forgiving taving Aliona back there is a strategy behind it to in my opinion.

Also, somebody answer for me who is aliona's Uncle I keep hearing about? He she somehow related to Lakernik?

 

[yume]

Ilona Protasenia (Sinitsyna's LP) or Nadezhda Kanaeva (her SP)?

Protasenia seems to be the in-house choreographer for Snow Leopards - do they have any conditions restricting her from working for other clubs' clients? The only non-Snow Leopard example I know is Matvei Vetlugin, but as a boy he isn't a direct competitor. Kanaeva's with Arutunian in California so would require remote choreo, which I don't think is ideal for Kostornaia at least. I'm also not sure about her freedom to work with non-Raf skaters (Panova is sort of affiliated through going to Raf for for summer camps).

I like both choreographers and would be happy to see them utilised more frequently, but if not, Daniil's stuff is serviceable for scoring purposes (I found Twilight tacky but the PCS/Choreo marks disagree).

Oh i thought it was the same choreographer. Protasenia then. More simple.

 

[Scott512]

I doubt it.
Sasha has Plushenko, Mikhailov and now Morozov, I guess. I don't think Rozanov could add anything that she couldn't get from the other coaches.

He'll probably be coaching some of the younger skaters... Or who knows? They have Lipnitskaya now too.
Maybe they'll use him mainly for choreography.

Where is the Black Swanei Elena Illniyk? Did she really disappear from PA? She was so close to Aliona back at test skates I'm wondering what the hell happened there

 

[lopsilceci]

Excellent points.

Interesting that aliona can leave at the end ofbthe season. I think TT will keep her who are the Olympic season partly to keep her away from cska Sergei Davydov who teaches the triple Axel and quads. While I'm happy aliona is back at TT she is number 6 on the depth chart right now and number 7 overall when you consider competition for those three vital Olympic spots for the Russian ladies. EG does not want Kosto anywhere near Davydov where Aliona would be the #1 senior lady and have a real chance to get her 3A back. If Aliona makes a run at the Olympic team and the worlds team after the Olympics EG wants it to be with her or she will get the credit for it.. So while Eteri is being regarded as charitable and forgiving taving Aliona back there is a strategy behind it to in my opinion.

Also, somebody answer for me who is aliona's Uncle I keep hearing about? He she somehow related to Lakernik?

Davydov does seem competent but he's also not as experienced as TT and hasn't shown results at the senior level yet. I don't see how Aliona would benefit more from that environment than with Eteri. Aliona seems to get motivated from the internal competition, so being with Davydov would probably not be ideal for her and I'm not sure that he could help her get the 3A back.

Uncle Lakernik is the one and only Lakernik we know There's a rumour that he's married to Aliona's aunt or something like that.

Where is the Black Swanei Elena Illniyk? Did she really disappear from PA? She was so close to Aliona back at test skates I'm wondering what the hell happened there

Seems like she hasn't worked at AoP for some time now

 

[dante]

Averbukh!

Bless you.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I have friends who left for another firm hoping for a semblance of work-life balance, only to concede that they grew more in the brutal firm.

I get your main point, but just want to point out that different individuals work best in different types of environments. Some people can cope with less supervision (Nathan Chen at Yale) and some need more guidance (Vincent Zhou at Brown).
Sakhanovich mentioned in an interview about not liking her time in Rukavicin's group because it was too hands-off, but he's been good with others (Aliev, Nugumanova etc.). So his style is not inherently inferior, it just doesn't suit her personality.

BTW what exactly do you mean by your firm being brutal? Strict and demanding is alright, but abuse or exploitation is neither necessary nor excusable. If say, you get lots of challenging but career-building projects, but you also have a screaming supervisor and endless unpaid overtime hours, your growth is probably not due to the latter two factors. And everyone has different priorities - do your friends actually regret their life choices, or were they just stating the opportunity cost of leaving? Every compromise involves losses.

 

[DougDorsey]

Someone mentioned to me today that the TSL guys had suggested in their most recent episode that Adeliya was potentially leaving Team Tutberidze.

I know TSL is *far* from the most credible source - I think they might have suggested the same thing a year ago, and clearly they were wrong - which is part of the reason why I don't watch them, but every once in awhile they do seem to have some relevant inside knowledge.

Also, FWIW, Adeliya seemed quite demoralized and unhappy as Eteri scolded her after her FS at the Russian Cup Junior Final. (I thought Eteri was being a bit harsh, too.)

Finally, I can't say I've spotted Adeliya in any of the recent press photographs that have been coming out of Team Tutberidze over the past couple days, but maybe I just haven't been looking close enough.

Anyone have any knowledge or thoughts on this? I actually just got a message from Adeliya herself, but I'm hesitant to ask her directly as I don't want to be intrusive.

 

[Hammer24]

I think she'd rather tell him to mind his damn business.


If you want to look smart, do something stupid, then undo it.

 

[iamchrislao]

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I get your main point, but just want to point out that different individuals work best in different types of environments. Some people can cope with less supervision (Nathan Chen at Yale) and some need more guidance (Vincent Zhou at Brown).
Sakhanovich mentioned in an interview about not liking her time in Rukavicin's group because it was too hands-off, but he's been good with others (Aliev, Nugumanova etc.). So his style is not inherently inferior, it just doesn't suit her personality.

BTW what exactly do you mean by your firm being brutal? Strict and demanding is alright, but abuse or exploitation is neither necessary nor excusable. If say, you get lots of challenging but career-building projects, but you also have a screaming supervisor and endless unpaid overtime hours, your growth is probably not due to the latter two factors. And everyone has different priorities - do your friends actually regret their life choices, or were they just stating the opportunity cost of leaving? Every compromise involves losses.

Hi. Thanks for the concern. By brutal I mean the workload, complexity of the cases, the stress from the stakes, stress from the novelty of issues to u as a junior associate (lack of skills/skills acquisition phase), the deployment to far flung areas (due to venue/jurisdiction), the hellish traffic in the metropolitan draining u even before u began (court hearings sprinkled all over the metro), demands of big clients, etc. U grow exponentially but u can only take so much “beating” and survival instincts kick in and ur being revolts!

 

[JazzUp]

is there any information on what what's up with Rozanov at POA

AoP posted a notice awhile ago about enrolment open for a new kids group to be coached by him, so he's back to what he at least knows how to do

 

[Skatesocs]

Bless you.

Ilya, dante.

 

[DSQ]

Do we know when the skaters are leaving and if they'll have to do a week-long quarantine as recommended by the Swedish government?

I’ll have to look it up to confirm it but I think elite athletes are exempt from quarantine in Sweden. We have the same policy where I am.

 

[Skatesocs]

did we figure out if flanker was banned? it says the profile is not available when i click on him.

edit: same with edwin and nadya

He's not. You get match penalty as your title if you're banned.

Meh at the other two.