2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Flying Feijoa]

look at her combo jumps. her landing foot does an edge change/ an S run and sometimes even like a hop going to the second jump. It is weird but surprisingly it is a feature in the code. I honestly think it is just a bad technique

I've never seen that written or mentioned anywhere Do you have a source?
Are you sure any such mention is referring to the BO edge between jumps in a combo and not a transition going into or out of the combo?

From my understanding it's neither penalised nor rewarded... just as others mentioned above it tends to co-occur with loss of speed between jumps (which is more of a GOE thing, not an error like an edge call). I think it happens when the torso/pelvis loses its check after landing the first jump and overtwists slightly - e.g. if you rotate CCW, landing with the left side too open, doing a RBO-RBI shift would help to realign your body over the takeoff edge for the toeloop.

True that it's not exclusive to Kamila, I've seen it in some junior boys too, e.g. Yablokov. Both he and Kamila land in more of a turned-out first arabesque position than a square aeroplane-style one. I think it's harder to get a toeloop out of such a position without some sort of biomechanical compensation.

 

[Skatesocs]

Do you have a source?

no. because it's false.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

no. because it's false.

"Loss of flow or rhythm in combination or sequence: -1 to -2
Weak landing: -1 to -3"

 

[macy]

Not a fan of how Tuks PCS is that close to Kamila and Aliona at all. IMO she is just not at that level and should be a couple points lower. That was quite generous.

 

[Scott512]

She said she'll be attempting it in the free! At least 1 and if that goes well then the other.

She did pretty good. Clean performance although the score was lower than I expected because I thought she'd break 70.

I would love to see AK do 2 3As. She needs to set the bar high. Is she and Anna are the least likely of the Russian ladies to bomb used to bomb internationally. We must not forget that.

Yeah when I heard that Anastasia was in 4th place I figured she would have scored low to mid 70s. At least she looks competitive again and hopefully she's reborn mentally and can really make some strides in the next couple seasons. This being her 1st International competition in almost 3 years which is mind blowing in itself would make for a great result for Nastia if she finishes in the top 5. But she's got a lot of skaters nipping at her heels so who knows.

It will be interesting to see which one of the 3 Russian ladies wins the gold medal. But we can't make too much of it because it's only October.

 

[flanker]

 

[Flying Feijoa]

"Loss of flow or rhythm in combination or sequence: -1 to -2
Weak landing: -1 to -3"

Thanks! So it seems the code does allude to it in a way, but as a fault (not a feature - which implies a positive attribute).

 

[Skatesocs]

"Loss of flow or rhythm in combination or sequence: -1 to -2
Weak landing: -1 to -3"

Yes, meaning that kittosuni's claim about it being a positive feature is... False.

Thanks! So it seems the code does allude to it in a way, but as a fault (not a feature - which implies a positive attribute).

Did you really never see it before? It was discussed all the time last season And is common knowledge in general with the CoP, for "weak landings" and "loss of flow". It's brought up all the time for certain men.

 

[Fluture]

Very, very happy for Sofia. She skated a little more cautiously than in Kosice (or maybe that‘s me projecting because I was very nervous for her ) but she got it done and has qualified to the final!! And yes, maybe it shows my bad taste but I still love this program (minus the gunshot).

Sad about Zinina because I do believe she would deserve a JGPF spot. But well… those are the rules, I guess… However, she is not on the same level as Sofia (and Isabeau) when it comes to presentation and charisma. For her, it‘s still all about the quads and you could see that today (and yesterday in the SP). But she‘s still young so I‘m sure we‘ll see a lot more from her.

Now onto Finlandia Trophy SP where I have some catching up to do.

 

[Novalis]

Those girls were absolutely awesome!

They were the loudest in the Arena, constantly supporting absolutely everybody

 

[flanker]

Those girls were absolutely awesome!

They were the loudest in the Arena, constantly supporting absolutely everybody

Are they the local girls?

 

[Novalis]

Are they the local girls?

Yes, Finnish for sure.

 

[Skatesocs]

Not a fan of how Tuks PCS is that close to Kamila and Aliona at all. IMO she is just not at that level and should be a couple points lower. That was quite generous.

She's higher than Valieva, and I don't think she should be even with Valieva's fall. But I'm happy that Valieva wasn't placed much lower despite the fall and this being her first senior competition. Same for Kostornaia, with her not attending worlds last season. Good signs.

In general, I think people are underrating Valieva's PCS quality on the rest of the forum. My least favorite part of her skating is her jumps. Everything thing else ranges from above average to great.

 

[Fluture]

So… I watched Finlandia.

Kamila fell on the 3A… well, it‘s her senior debut after all. But with her content in the FS, it‘ll still be an easy win for her, even with a mistake or two. Overall impression: great spins and lines but the program is a miss for me. Storm was so beautiful and this is a worse version of the same program… Also don‘t get the costume. The colours are mashed together quite strangely and wash her out on the ice. It doesn’t stand out in the way an Olympic dress should (compare it to Alina and Zhenya’s OG SP dresses - they were both unique and memorable in their own way!) The one she wore at test skates was lovely and fit the overall image. Why not use a similar one?

Her PCS are also a choice… for a clean program, sure. But she had a fall here. Well. She‘s the favorite, so it was to be expected.

No 3A for Aliona but a clean program. She’ll need it badly, though, so I‘m still a bit worried. But I am happy that she‘s looking more confident and this is definitely the best she‘s skated in quite a while. So, maybe that‘s the plan. Build up confidence with clean skates and then introduce the 3A when it‘s stable. I can only hope.

On a shallow note, though. What is that costume?! I hope it‘s not the final one because it looks…cheap. Like, it‘s fine for a training/test skates dress but if she was to go to the Olympics with that? No. Just no.

Liza… well, I just don‘t get her skating. I‘m sorry. I know she landed the 3A and the combo and she should be rewarded technically but PCS as high as Aliona and Kamila? In what universe? She‘s slow, has pretty weak skating skills and her choreography isn‘t exactly complex either. Sure, she‘s a performer, I give her that (even if it‘s not to my taste), but to mark her higher on SS than Aliona (and Kamila, too, actually) is a crime.

Let‘s wait for tomorrow. I still hope Aliona can win the Silver tomorrow because she needs to establish herself in the eyes of the judges and the fed.

 

[Skatesocs]

So… I watched Finlandia.

Kamila fell on the 3A… well, it‘s her senior debut after all. But with her content in the FS, it‘ll still be an easy win for her, even with a mistake or two. Overall impression: great spins and lines but the program is a miss for me. Storm was so beautiful and this is a worse version of the same program… Also don‘t get the costume. The colours are mashed together quite strangely and wash her out on the ice. It doesn’t stand out in the way an Olympic dress should (compare it to Alina and Zhenya’s OG SP dresses - they were both unique and memorable in their own way!) The one she wore at test skates was lovely and fit the overall image. Why not use a similar one?

Her PCS are also a choice… for a clean program, sure. But she had a fall here. Well. She‘s the favorite, so it was to be expected.

No 3A for Aliona but a clean program. She’ll need it badly, though, so I‘m still a bit worried. But I am happy that she‘s looking more confident and this is definitely the best she‘s skated in quite a while. So, maybe that‘s the plan. Build up confidence with clean skates and then introduce the 3A when it‘s stable. I can only hope.

On a shallow note, though. What is that costume?! I hope it‘s not the final one because it looks…cheap. Like, it‘s fine for a training/test skates dress but if she was to go to the Olympics with that? No. Just no.

Liza… well, I just don‘t get her skating. I‘m sorry. I know she landed the 3A and the combo and she should be rewarded technically but PCS as high as Aliona and Kamila? In what universe? She‘s slow, has pretty weak skating skills and her choreography isn‘t exactly complex either. Sure, she‘s a performer, I give her that (even if it‘s not to my taste), but to mark her higher on SS than Aliona (and Kamila, too, actually) is a crime.

Let‘s wait for tomorrow. I still hope Aliona can win the Silver tomorrow because she needs to establish herself in the eyes of the judges and the fed.

BTW, I read in the US Women's thread. I guess you were at Linz? Hope you had fun!

ETA: Also, Kostornaia's prospects seem positive, since they didn't sink her here. She'll regain those 38s once she shows consistency as the season moves forward, I bet.

 

[flanker]

Anastasia Zinina, as she doesn't have her FF I think I'll put her free skate here:




Pity about the falls from quads, performance-wise she was the most interesting to me today (and yesterday) in Linz.

Edit: As the comment below corrects, she has: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/anastasia-zinina.89041/
It's just not in the index.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

Did you really never see it before? It was discussed all the time last season And is common knowledge in general with the CoP, for "weak landings" and "loss of flow". It's brought up all the time for certain men.

What do you mean by 'it'? The edge change itself (which I've noticed in skaters even before Kamila was around), or the phenomenon of people debating whether it is bad/neutral (which I've also noticed, because controversies become inescapable once they concern Russian women).

What was slightly creative was the suggestion that it was actually good - worth bonus points like Rippon arms. This doesn't make sense, but illogical motions have been suggested by the ISU before (e.g. making loop-flip-lutz base value the same), so I was just trying to fact-check and confirm there hadn't been another ridiculous rule update.

 

[Fluture]

BTW, I read in the US Women's thread. I guess you were at Linz? Hope you had fun!

ETA: Also, Kostornaia's prospects seem positive, since they didn't sink her here. She'll regain those 38s once she shows consistency as the season moves forward, I bet.

I was! And thank you, I did have lots of fun. There were quite many people, too, which was pretty surprising. Normally, no one here cares about figure skating and last time I went to the JGP (in 2018), I had almost the whole arena to myself. Maybe people were bored because of COVID.

About Kostornaia: I‘m less worried about the judges, really, than the prospect of her jumps (especially the 3A). She‘s always had kind of a leg wrap but it‘s become a lot more aggravated lately and imo, it‘s why she keeps URing the 3A (and sometimes the 3T in combination) She‘s also my favorite, so I hope she gets it under control asap.

 

[Dawn825]

I love Aliona's skating and I'm so rooting for her. But I had to mute the sound halfway thru her program. If she didnt lose any PCS points for that music, she should have.

 

[PavelSky]

Anastasia Zinina, as she doesn't have her FF I think I'll put her free skate here:




Pity about the falls from quads, performance-wise she was the most interesting to me today (and yesterday) in Linz.

She has

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Anastasia Zinina was born on 16th February 2007 in Rostov-On-Don. She represents Russia and is currently coached by Alexei Vasilevsky at the Army of Figure Skaters. Nastya began skating in 2011 and her previous coach was Svetlana Panova of Snow Leopards. During the 2021-2022 season she was...

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