2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Jontor]

Is this set in stone? If so I like it. Let's the skaters try and change things during the atumn competitions. Finding out their optimal performance choices for a medal at nationals.

As I understand it, the top 2 goes to Euros and the 3rd spot are always up for debate, but they almost always go for the top 3 (exceptions when someone has been injured or something, like Medvedeva in 2018 and Volchkova in 2003).
But at Euros they need to sweep the podium. Anyone off the podium will not go to the Olympics...for sure.
And Euros will put up some good competition this time, Hendrickx and Gubanova clearly can score a lot over 200, and Kurakova, Kiibus and Safonova has the potential to do so as well.

 

[PavelSky]

You are running against letter/sound Ы in her name. Try searching the net, there are tutorials on how to say it. I just tested it on my child, and she veers into i and a bit of u. So the instruction of saying ‘boot’ with a forced smile kinda gets you there, but not all the way. The best she could do was after ‘v’ in BЫ…
ot all the way. The best she could do was after ‘v’ in BЫ…

About the letter "Ы"

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Of course it looks funny (as a Russian-speaking), no one made us smile at school to say "Ы"

 

[Lzbee]

I think any of these girls would have to be able to get a spot in GPF, or it's going to be really hard to compete for an Olympics spot. If Kostornaia is not able to qualify GPF, I would say it might be end of game unfortunately at this point...

Gotta keep expectations realistic, there is a very real chance she might not make it. Other than Kamila and Liza, there will also be Rika, Alysa and Wakaba at Skate Canada. She could be as low as 6th if she doesn't have a good skate.

That said, she could get silver if she lands 3 3As and silver at IDF should be very doable (depends on how Sinitsyna is received).

 

[DougDorsey]

What's the official criteria to be eligible for RusNats?

It sounds like spots are first filled by (i) all skaters who received GP assignments and (ii) all skaters born in 2007 or earlier who qualified for the JGPF? And then any remaining spots are determined based on Cup of Russia results? I'd love to get a better understanding of the exact criteria used, and whether the number of spots are fixed or not.

Related to this, if hypothetically Akatyeva had not qualified for the JGPF, would she have any other way to qualify for senior Nats? Specifically, is it accurate that Cup of Russia senior events have a July 1 age cutoff, which would mean Akatyeva would be too young to participate, and thus wouldn't have another way besides the JGP to qualify for senior Nats?

 

[Jontor]

Gotta keep expectations realistic, there is a very real chance she might not make it. Other than Kamila and Liza, there will also be Rika, Alysa and Wakaba at Skate Canada. She could be as low as 6th if she doesn't have a good skate.

That said, she could get silver if she lands 3 3As and silver at IDF should be very doable (depends on how Sinitsyna is received).

Yes, I have Kostornaia 2nd in both Skate Canada and France at the moment in my predictions.

But SC sure is gonna be the toughest competition, and she MUST do well or she won't qualify for GPF. And if that happens, next up will then be Nationals, can she turn it all around by then?

 

[flanker]

What's the official criteria to be eligible for RusNats?

It sounds like spots are first filled by (i) all skaters who received GP assignments and (ii) all skaters born in 2007 or earlier who qualified for the JGPF? And then any remaining spots are determined based on Cup of Russia results? I'd love to get a better understanding of the exact criteria used, and whether the number of spots are fixed or not.

Related to this, if hypothetically Akatyeva had not qualified for the JGPF, would she have any other way to qualify for senior Nats? Specifically, is it accurate that Cup of Russia senior events have a July 1 age cutoff, which would mean Akatyeva would be too young to participate, and thus wouldn't have another way besides the JGP to qualify for senior Nats?

She could compete in senior Cup stages, like Kamila, Daria and Maiia did last season. But that is only theoretical question now for she qualified for JGPF without any problem.

 

[Mawwerg]

Only Liza can say rightly or not.

Let's hear how she pronounces herself

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Probably this link will clarify it even more as Emma started her conversation with Liza with exactly this question.

 

[Jontor]

What's the official criteria to be eligible for RusNats?

It sounds like spots are first filled by (i) all skaters who received GP assignments and (ii) all skaters born in 2007 or earlier who qualified for the JGPF? And then any remaining spots are determined based on Cup of Russia results? I'd love to get a better understanding of the exact criteria used, and whether the number of spots are fixed or not.

Related to this, if hypothetically Akatyeva had not qualified for the JGPF, would she have any other way to qualify for senior Nats? Specifically, is it accurate that Cup of Russia senior events have a July 1 age cutoff, which would mean Akatyeva would be too young to participate, and thus wouldn't have another way besides the JGP to qualify for senior Nats?

Who knows these days.

But it used to be all with GP spots and all that qualified for JGPF (if they are 14, don't think there is a 1st of July thingy). So Akatieva, Muravieva, and Petrosian should automatically qualify this year, Zhilina is still to young.

Sinitsyna (turned 14 5th of August 2018) didn't qualify for the JGPF in 2018-19 but she did two senior Russian Cup stages. She didn't qualify to senior RusNats anyway as those stages were super tough that year. There were intially only 4 spots from the RC but with two WD's it was 6. Sinitsyna was only 9th in the RC that year.

EDIT: it should be GP assignments, not spots. So if you are assigned to a GP but WD you are still qualified for RusNats.

 

[DougDorsey]

She could compete in senior Cup stages, like Kamila, Daria and Maiia did last season. But that is only theoretical question now for she qualified for JGPF without any problem.

But Kami, Daria, and Maiia are all born before July 1. Akatyeva is not.

Someone shared a RusFed document with me that they said stated that there's a July 1 cutoff for Cup of Russia events.

And I'm having trouble finding any examples of girls born after July 1 (of the year they turn 14) who have competed in senior Cup of Russia events.

EDIT: Although Jonitor above provides an example of Sinitsina.

 

[DougDorsey]

Who knows these days.

But it used to be all with GP spots and all that qualified for JGPF (if they are 14, don't think there is a 1st of July thingy). So Akatieva, Muravieva, and Petrosian should automatically qualify this year, Zhilina is still to young.

Sinitsyna (turned 14 5th of August 2018) didn't qualify for the JGPF in 2018-19 but she did two senior Russian Cup stages. She didn't qualify to senior RusNats anyway as those stages were super tough that year. There were intially only 4 spots from the RC but with two WD's it was 6. Sinitsyna was only 9th in the RC that year.

EDIT: it should be GP assignments, not spots. So if you are assigned to a GP but WD you are still qualified for RusNats.

Got it. I've been struggling to find an example of a girl born after July 1 (of the year she turns 14) who was able to compete in Cup of Russia events, but based on what you're saying, it sounds like Sinitsina is example, so thanks for that.

So that would suggest that even if Kat hadn't qualified for the JGPF (again, this is purely hypothetical), she still would have been eligible to compete in Cup of Russia events and thereby qualify for RusNats.

 

[Jontor]

Got it. I've been struggling to find an example of a girl born after July 1 (of the year she turns 14) who was able to compete in Cup of Russia events, but based on what you're saying, it sounds like Sinitsina is example, so thanks for that.

So that would suggest that even if Kat hadn't qualified for the JGPF (again, this is purely hypothetical), she still would have been eligible to compete in Cup of Russia events and thereby qualify for RusNats.

Yes, another example is Kostornaia, who made her senior RusNats debut in 2017-18 season, she is born in late August. So she had 2 seasons she could enter senior RusNats (and took bronze in both) before she became senior internationally.
The same thing will happen to Akatieva, she will have two senior Nationals seasons before going senior.

I don't know if you have to be 14 by the time you enter the stages or if it is by RusNats at Christmas.

But who knows, with the new JGPF rules that the ISU introduced this year what RusNats will do? And if the senior GPs get screwed up because of this pandemic, I guess anything can happen.

 

[Dawn825]

Anna, Sasha, Daria, and Maiia have no assignments before the GP?

 

[Mauvedreamer]

Anna, Sasha, Daria, and Maiia have no assignments before the GP?

I think Anna is competing at The Budapest Trophy at the weekend with Maiia. Yes sad Daria didn't get to go to any.

 

[Jontor]

Anna, Sasha, Daria, and Maiia have no assignments before the GP?

Sasha already competed at US Classic, but like Budapest Trophy this weekend where Anna and Maiia and Sofia will be, they are not Challenger events.

I wonder if Daria still has trouble with that little injury she had before?

Next Challenger event is Asian Open this weekend, but no Russians there.
The Challenger after that (after Skate America) is Denis Ten Memorial with Sinitsyna and Frolova.

Come to think of it, Sinitsyna will be at Skate America the week before her Challenger. Why on earth did she assign herself to this competition. The jet lag alone must be brutal.

 

[Jeanie19]

I think Anna is competing at The Budapest Trophy at the weekend with Maiia. Yes sad Daria didn't get to go to any.

Hopefully Daria will get a later challenger or Senior B. We will see her soon at Skate America.

 

[Mauvedreamer]

Hopefully Daria will get a later challenger or Senior B. We will see her soon at Skate America.

Do hope so.

 

[Jontor]

Seasons Best List update - after 11 out of 29 competitions

1. Kamila Valieva - Rus - 249.24 CS Finlandia Trophy (new World record!!)
2. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - Rus - 233.30 CS Finlandia Trophy
3. Sofia Akatieva (J) - Rus - 233.08 JGP Krasnoyarsk (junior world record)
4. Alysa Liu - USA - 219.24 CS Lombardia Trophy
5. Alëna Kostornaia - Rus - 218.83 CS Finlandia Trophy
6. Veronika Zhilina (J) - Rus - 216.92 JGP Kosice
7. Loena Hendrickx - Bel - 212.07 CS Finlandia Trophy
8. Sofia Muravieva - Rus - 211.81 JGP Linz
9. Adelia Petrosian - Rus - 210.57 JGP Ljubljana
10. Isabeau Levito - USA - 208.31 JGP Linz
11. Anastasia Zinina - Rus - 206.20 JGP Krasnoyarsk
12. Sofia Samodelkina - Rus - 205.67 JGP Ljubljana
13. Anastasiia Gubanova - Geo - 203.91 CS Finlandia Trophy
14.. Karen Chen - USA - 202.49 CS Finlandia Trophy
15. Eva-Lotta Kiibus - Est - 202.04 CS Finlandia Trophy
16. Elizaveta Kulikova (J) - Rus - 196.83 JGP Krasnoyarsk
17. Elizaveta Berestovskaya (J) - Rus - 196.07 JGP Krasnoyarsk
18. Lindsay Thorngren - USA - 193.77 JGP Ljubljana
19. Ekaterina Kurakova - Pol - 193.58 CS Nebelhorn Trophy
20. Minchae Kim - Kor - 192.48 JGP Ljubljana
21. Chaeyeon Kim - Kor - 191.46 JGP Courchevel II
22. Maria Zakharova (J) - Rus - 190.33 JGP Kosice
23. Viktoriia Safonova - Blr - 190.29 CS Nebelhorn Trophy
24. Nina Pinzarrone - Bel - 186.10 JGP Ljubjlana
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Top 24 are guaranteed a spot at next year's senior GPs, except for (J).
The top 24 usually cuts around 200 points, so all below that will probably fall out.
But it looks tough this season. Gubanova, Chen and Kiibus must probably better their scores to be sure to be in the top 24.

Still Shcherbakova, Trusova, Sinitsyna, Usacheva, Khromykh to go.
And also all the other Russians of course....and Japanese, and Americans, and Koreans...

 

[Skatesocs]

3. Sofia Akatieva (J) - Rus - 233.08 JGP Krasnoyarsk (junior world record)

This is without a ChSq btw lol

 

[Jontor]

This is without a ChSq btw lol

Yes it is! Sometimes we forget that the juniors have a disadvantage on this list. They need to do a 2A in the short, they always have this designated jump they have to do, and of course no ChSq...

 

[chasingneverland]

Shcherbakova is N1 as a reigning WC.
Tuktamisheva is N2 as the most trustworthy among eligible skaters from RusFed.
Valieva is N3 as the judges' favorite.
Trusova and Kostornaya are sharing N4.

I'm surprised that you think the RusFed thinks Liza is particularly trustworthy.

You do know this is the same skater that twice the RusFed has made go to the Cup Final to determine her spot to Worlds and twice they wanted to give the spot to someone else (Evgenia and last year Aliona).

EDIT: If you really want to look at how the RusFed perceives Sasha vs Liza T, consider this: They paired Sasha with Daria for the GPs. (Daria, while stunning, is arguably the weakest out of Eteri's 6, was recently injured, and doesn't have a "ultra-c" element.) They paired Liza T with Kamila. (Kamila is arguably the strongest out of Eteri's 6, RusFed's favourite, and their OGM hopeful.)

Now tell me who they want to succeed the most.