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Let's not mix up things. Writing letters is writing letters - if necessary on can bring a dozen of letters, who cares? Delaying issuing visas and then imposing further restrictions that may forbid the "designated winners" to compete is a quite a different "animal". But let's not jump to conclusions now. Not letting Valieva to participate will be a major scandal.
I find it interesting you say "let's not jump to conclusions" but preceed that with "delaying issuing visas and then imposing further restrictions that may forbid the designated winners to compete". That is jumping to a conclusion.

There is no indication that they were trying to keep Kamila out of this competition and quite frankly I don't think they (the minister and his team) care. In fact, I would be surprised if they have more than a vague idea who Kamila even is. Furthermore, even the RusFed said that getting Kamila's visa was easier than the others - it was Aliona, Evgeni, and Makar that they really had problems with. Also you do realize, they needed a letter to be allowed to get their visas, right? Finally, you do know that Russia has had issues with getting visas even before the pandemic even started right?
 
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So if I'm understanding this right, the Canadian government granted the visas to the skaters, so now it's up to Skate Canada (the federation) to decide whether or not they'll allow the skaters to compete without the full quarantine. Let's hope they'll all be able to compete as scheduled :pray:
No.

Quarantine is federal as is the exception that waives it - it's the deputy minister that goes through each one on a case by case basis. The Fed has nothing to do with it. That's why I think it's silly that people think it's political or Skate Canada is trying to keep them out. They're not in charge of it at all.
 
COVID isnt chickenpox. You can get it twice like the flu. And even if her body is more immune to it she can still spread it to others.
This. Although chickenpox infection isn't necessarily a good example. The virus can remain inactive in your body for decades and then reactivate later as shingles. (Also, in rare cases, you can get chickenpox more than once.)
 
No. Jason was not allowed to cross the border despite all the letters of support because his journey was not considered vital enough for the peak of pandemia. He crossed at a different crossing some time later.
Sorry to dissappoint you and do not take it personal, but I am pretty sure 99.9% of Canadian officials neither know nor care who Valieva is and what field she is "a designated winner" at. Neither do they care at the slightest who wins Skate Canada or GPF. To them she is just another visa applicant whose paperwok they are supposed to check in accordance with the applicable rules. That's all there is.
This. Canada doesn't care haha. They've only granted exceptions for the NHL and they still had restrictions that they required them to maintain. Every other sport/athlete is treated on a case by case basis. This isn't a conspiracy against Kamila. They don't know or care who she is haha.
 
Everyone understands everything, but nevertheless play with words :)

Okey, I will make a formal explanation (which both you and Paulipau already know) but only once.

It's not a matter of slang. There is a large stratum of fans who believe that only lutz with deep edge is a true lutz. Usually these are fans of those skaters who make that kind lutz (like lady from Paulipau's avatar). These fans reject the gradation of edge error accepted by the ISU (with "e" and "!") using the slang word "flutz" for both "!" and "e" and thereby trying to promote their uber-rigorous ideas in the public consciousness (and in fact just implicitly trying to promote their favorites). I don't like it and I clearly point it out by ridiculing it. Was I able to explain my position?

I understand your point.
I think that most of the skaters have edge problems when it comes to Lutzes and Flips. If they have a deep edge on Lutz them their Flip edge is questionable (like the lady on my avatar).
I'm not trying to favorize anyone.

I however will stop using Lips and Flutzes for skaters who have flat edge (!) and only use it for the ones using incorrect edge.
 
These issues should have been resolved well before the GP even started. Figure skaters aren't around for leisure, they are professionals doing their job. In Germany, for example, soccer players without vaccination are allowed to play in stadiums with 2G requirement (only vaccinated or recovered individuals allowed).
Even greater problem: Peking Olympics and the announced 21 days quarantine for invaccinated individuals. Makes it pretty much impossible for anyone to compete without vaccination. No idea how Trusova et al want to get past that obstacle.
No one is saying figure skaters are around for leisure. Merely that they have to comply with a sovereign nation's guidelines and rules like everyone else.

Sasha said that if it was necessary for the Olympics to get vaccinated they would. Kseniia said the most important thing is being healthy and that they would get vaccinated if it was needed.
 
This. Canada doesn't care haha. They've only granted exceptions for the NHL and they still had restrictions that they required them to maintain. Every other sport/athlete is treated on a case by case basis. This isn't a conspiracy against Kamila. They don't know or care who she is haha.
Haha, I bet they know who Kamila is.
Now the visa issue has been resolved (in this thread), I do have a concern, though, A 2 or 3-day quarantine would be too bad, and totally unnecessary. A daily test is more appropriate and enough. Looks like Sasha and Daria didn't have any problem in US, I wish the same for Kamila/Aliona/Liza, although Canada might have a stricter policy.
 
Haha, I bet they know who Kamila is.
Now the visa issue has been resolved (in this thread), I do have a concern, though, A 2 or 3-day quarantine would be too bad, and totally unnecessary. A daily test is more appropriate and enough. Looks like Sasha and Daria didn't have any problem in US, I wish the same for Kamila/Aliona/Liza, although Canada might have a stricter policy.

On what do you base this?

I will bet you cold hard American cash that the embassy official charged with stamping Kamila's passport neither knew nor cared what Kamila's ranking was, what her prospects for Skate Canada were, or what skating fans say about her. Presumably they knew she was entering for a skating competition based on paperwork, and knew what she looked like because they had her passport. Those two facts which interested them as much as someone entering for a tiddlywinks competition or a badminton competition. No more, no less.

We are on a skating forum and we care. Some poor overworked state department employee does not. 🤷‍♀️
 
On what do you base this?

I will bet you cold hard American cash that the embassy official charged with stamping Kamila's passport neither knew nor cared what Kamila's ranking was, what her prospects for Skate Canada were, or what skating fans say about her. Presumably they knew she was entering for a skating competition based on paperwork, and knew what she looked like because they had her passport. Those two facts which interested them as much as someone entering for a tiddlywinks competition or a badminton competition. No more, no less.

We are on a skating forum and we care. Some poor overworked state department employee does not. 🤷‍♀️
OMG, I got a bettor! I just checked my wallet and found some $1 bills. Let's do it.

Joking aside, the so-called "visa issue" was never an issue in my mind, that's why I said "the issue has been resolved in this thread. " By the way, if I live in Russia as an embassy/consulate employee/visa officer, it is very likely that I know who Kamila is because FS is almost the most popular sport in this country and Kamila is a big star now. You know, I (as a visa officer) also have a normal life other than the daily paper works.

Is the bet still on?

Edit note: sorry I am not a visa officer. I should have used "he" instead of "I".
 
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OMG, I got a bettor! I just checked my wallet and found some $1 bills. Let's do it.

Joking aside, the so-called "visa issue" was never an issue in my mind, that's why I said "the issue has been resolved in this thread. " By the way, if I live in Russia as an embassy/consulate employee/visa officer, it is very likely that I know who Kamila is because FS is almost the most popular sport in this country and Kamila is a big star now. You know, I (as a visa officer) also have a normal life other than the daily paper works.

Is the bet still on?
Yes, you have your normal life outside of the office hours when you read your English-language papers, watch English-language movies, barbecue with other families of kids from the American International School and at nights you drink vodka or cognac with other English (or French) speaking expats when you complain together about the weather and discuss the latest NHL, maybe soccer or NBA, results. That's what you do! After all, this is your private life and at last you can do what you like and what you are really interested in :biggrin: No, you do not follow local figure skating stars unless you happen to be a fan anyway.
 
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Yes, you have your normal life outside of the office hours when you read your English-language papers, watch English-language movies, barbecue with other families of kids from the American International School and at nights you drink vodka or cognac with other English (or French) speaking expats when you complain together about the weather and discuss the latest NHL, maybe soccer, results. That's what you do! After all, this is your private life and at last you can do what you like and what you are really interested in :biggrin: No, you do not follow local figure skating stars unless you happen to be a fan anyway.
Ah, that visa officer may happen to be a FS fan :ROFLMAO: . He loves Ballet and Maya, he watched Maya's Bolero hundreds of times, a recent google search directed him to Kamila's Bolero, he watched it, then searched youtube and found her Storm, quads, 3A, ...
 
OMG, I got a bettor! I just checked my wallet and found some $1 bills. Let's do it.

Joking aside, the so-called "visa issue" was never an issue in my mind, that's why I said "the issue has been resolved in this thread. " By the way, if I live in Russia as an embassy/consulate employee/visa officer, it is very likely that I know who Kamila is because FS is almost the most popular sport in this country and Kamila is a big star now. You know, I (as a visa officer) also have a normal life other than the daily paper works.

Is the bet still on?
But it isn't someone in Russia (where Kamila is a former RusNats junior champion and the current senior silver medalist), it's someone in Canada. You know the country that needed to issue the exception (and the one that people seem to think had some grand conspiracy to keep Kamila from competing when even the RusFed said Kamila's visa was easier to get). It isn't someone in Russia who had to issue the approval, it's the deputy minister of Canadian Heritage that has to issue the the letter of authorization they need for exception. Someone who lives in Canada.

Figure skating is reasonably popular in Canada, but not THAT popular where someone would know a first year senior making their senior GP debut, regardless of their reigning World Junior champion status.

Canada's own government website says the process can take up to 3 months or longer.
 
But it isn't someone in Russia (where Kamila is a former RusNats junior champion and the current senior silver medalist), it's someone in Canada. You know the country that needed to issue the exception (and the one that people seem to think had some grand conspiracy to keep Kamila from competing when even the RusFed said Kamila's visa was easier to get). It isn't someone in Russia who had to issue the approval, it's the deputy minister of Canadian Heritage that has to issue the approval. Someone who lives in Canada.

Figure skating is reasonably popular in Canada, but not THAT popular where someone would know a first year senior making their senior GP debut, regardless of their reigning World Junior champion status.
Yes I am with you and I actually agree with you. I don't see any conspiracy or whatsoever. I was actually talking about Canada Fed knowing Kamila and since there aren't many international events happening these days, maybe the minister heard the name "Kamila" (very unlikely but what can I do, I wanted to believe it ). Then several of us were too focused on "visa" and started talking about visa officers, so the train derailed. Sorry for the confusion.
 
But it isn't someone in Russia (where Kamila is a former RusNats junior champion and the current senior silver medalist), it's someone in Canada. You know the country that needed to issue the exception (and the one that people seem to think had some grand conspiracy to keep Kamila from competing when even the RusFed said Kamila's visa was easier to get). It isn't someone in Russia who had to issue the approval, it's the deputy minister of Canadian Heritage that has to issue the the letter of authorization they need for exception. Someone who lives in Canada.

Figure skating is reasonably popular in Canada, but not THAT popular where someone would know a first year senior making their senior GP debut, regardless of their reigning World Junior champion status.

Canada's own government website says the process can take up to 3 months or longer.
I could care less if that person lives on the Moon. Canada took responsibility to organize the event and they should do it in a proper way. Right now it reeks of incompetence
 
I could care less if that person lives on the Moon. Canada took responsibility to organize the event and they should do it in a proper way. Right now it reeks of incompetence
This has NOTHING to do with the GP. SkateCanada has no involvement in it. It applies to literally any sporting body/amateur athlete wanting to enter Canada.

The information has been on the Canada government websites since MARCH.
 
Yes I am with you and I actually agree with you. I don't see any conspiracy or whatsoever. I was actually talking about Canada Fed knowing Kamila and since there aren't many international events happening these days, maybe the minister heard the name "Kamila" (very unlikely but what can I do, I wanted to believe it ). Then several of us were too focused on "visa" and started talking about visa officers, so the train derailed. Sorry for the confusion.
Ah got it.

Yeah, I would expect Russian visa officers to know the name Kamila haha. I just would't expect international ones to haha. I would expect SkateCanada (Canada Fed) to know who Kamila is (as a figure skating entity haha) I just wouldn't expect the government of Canada (through whom the letter/exception is requested and applied for) to know haha. And I certainly wouldn't expect them if they had heard the name Kamila to have any notion or care about her scoring potential haha. (Not everyone watched the Russian Cup stages religiously last year haha.)
 
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