2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[SkatingFann1]

I don’t really know how anyone else could get on the podium . Even if you call some jumps under or with edges the base values of the girls are so high that I doubt a 148 Kaori fs has any chance as long as Kamila Alexandra and Anna don’t bomb

 

[Amei]

I don’t really know how anyone else could get on the podium . Even if you call some jumps under or with edges the base values of the girls are so high that I doubt a 148 Kaori fs has any chance as long as Kamila Alexandra and Anna don’t bomb

Wakaba's FS BV is in the mid-60s with the 1 triple axel she's been doing. Kaori's FS BV was a little over 61 points last night, Young You's from Skate America is 68 points. Assuming the run-throughs for Shcherbakova and Trusova is what they attempt, they will have about a 20 and 30 point BV advantage. Unless they have absolute disasters, where Shcherbakova doesn't land 2 of her quads and Trusova has more than her typical FS mess, i don't see how someone else could overcome the BV advantage the Russians have.

 

[Scott512]

the whole situation is sad and even sadder kamila is getting the hate and blame when she had nothing to do with the decision. why can't people ever place blame where it actually belongs? i really feel for all 3 girls.

What you say is true but people are emotional and I don't think anyone should or is blaming KV. But some will root against her now in favor of Anna or sasha because of too much Kamila. There's no need for the rusfed to push this incredible phenom named the KaMissile this hard. She's the best in the world maybe the best we've ever seen in ladies figure skating but Anna and Sasha are also fantastic. To just ignore them like they are scrubs isn't fair.

The team gold medal was in the bag for Russia so why single KV out so much more than the reigning and defending world champion and the 3 time national champion? The federation did the same thing with the top Russian pairs team and they had a fall and an injury. KV had a fall but no injury the fed got lucky.

It really makes no sense it's like they're trying to drive Anna and Sasha away from TT.

That said an Olympic team gold medal is nice but it doesn't make a skater an Olympic champion. Mark is not an Olympic champion.

 

[Amei]

What you say is true but people are emotional and I don't think anyone should or is blaming KV. But some will root against her now in favor of Anna or sasha because of too much Kamila. There's no need for the rusfed to push this incredible phenom named the KaMissile this hard. She's the best in the world maybe the best we've ever seen in ladies figure skating but Anna and Sasha are also fantastic. To just ignore them like they are scrubs isn't fair.

The team gold medal was in the bag for Russia so why single KV out so much more than the reigning and defending world champion and the 3 time national champion? The federation did the same thing with the top Russian pairs team and they had a fall and an injury. KV had a fall but no injury the fed got lucky.

It really makes no sense it's like they're trying to drive Anna and Sasha away from TT.

That said an Olympic team gold medal is nice but it doesn't make a skater an Olympic champion. Mark is not an Olympic champion.

Well if you read a couple pages ago, apparently (though officially I think probably unconfirmed) there was a blow-up about the pairs teams and the Fed made the decision to not make any substitutions; Shcherbakova was going to do the FS; Mishin was apparently involved - suspiciously he was in the kiss/cry of the Team event last night even though his only skater there did not compete in the team event so he had 0 business being the box. <<< Which was dumb all the way around given covid, there should have been a hardset rule that only skaters that were in the team event could be in the box (on the SP/SD nights there were some skaters that did not compete in the team event at all) and only coaches of skaters competing that night could be in the box. Margarita Mamun said that Trusova and Shcherbakova waited until the very end to hear, so if Mamun is speaking accurately, this was a last minute decision to not make any substitutions.

My best assumption - did TT try to overplay their power and get T/M in the team event even though they are the least consistent of the 3 pairs and Mishin blew up about it... Which if my assumption is correct, TT might have ruined their relationship with Shcherbakova - imagine its the case and her coaching team inadvertently sabotaged her chances at an Olympic medal. Unfortunately the Vincent Zhou situation is an indicator, just because the athletes are in the bubble and everyone is tested daily a positive case could still happen and force a WD.

 

[lesnar001]

My best assumption - did TT try to overplay their power and get T/M in the team event even though they are the least consistent of the 3 pairs and Mishin blew up about it...

Oh great, another coaching war.
All we need now is Plushy's opinion and TAT swearing/telling everybody to shut up and it will be like 2 years ago.

Hopefully this wasn't the case, but nothing would shock me.

 

[Lechat]

What you say is true but people are emotional and I don't think anyone should or is blaming KV. But some will root against her now in favor of Anna or sasha because of too much Kamila. There's no need for the rusfed to push this incredible phenom named the KaMissile this hard. She's the best in the world maybe the best we've ever seen in ladies figure skating but Anna and Sasha are also fantastic. To just ignore them like they are scrubs isn't fair.

The team gold medal was in the bag for Russia so why single KV out so much more than the reigning and defending world champion and the 3 time national champion? The federation did the same thing with the top Russian pairs team and they had a fall and an injury. KV had a fall but no injury the fed got lucky.

It really makes no sense it's like they're trying to drive Anna and Sasha away from TT.

That said an Olympic team gold medal is nice but it doesn't make a skater an Olympic champion. Mark is not an Olympic champion.

I disagree.
They are all olympic champions as a national team if not, I don’t see the meaning of this competition and nobody would want to do it preferring the single.

 

[Scott512]

Well if you read a couple pages ago, apparently (though officially I think probably unconfirmed) there was a blow-up about the pairs teams and the Fed made the decision to not make any substitutions; Shcherbakova was going to do the FS; Mishin was apparently involved - suspiciously he was in the kiss/cry of the Team event last night even though his only skater there did not compete in the team event so he had 0 business being the box. <<< Which was dumb all the way around given covid, there should have been a hardset rule that only skaters that were in the team event could be in the box (on the SP/SD nights there were some skaters that did not compete in the team event at all) and only coaches of skaters competing that night could be in the box. Margarita Mamun said that Trusova and Shcherbakova waited until the very end to hear, so if Mamun is speaking accurately, this was a last minute decision to not make any substitutions.

My best assumption - did TT try to overplay their power and get T/M in the team event even though they are the least consistent of the 3 pairs and Mishin blew up about it... Which if my assumption is correct, TT might have ruined their relationship with Shcherbakova - imagine its the case and her coaching team inadvertently sabotaged her chances at an Olympic medal. Unfortunately the Vincent Zhou situation is an indicator, just because the athletes are in the bubble and everyone is tested daily a positive case could still happen and force a WD.

I did not know the professor was there without his skater but it is ridiculous especially at his age. I am concerned about iAnnas relationship with TT because honestly EG should carry a lot more clout than anyone in that Federation and I find it hard to believe she would not want anna to get a team gold medal and her pairs team as well. T & M are the number 2 Russian pairs team and they deserve the team gold medal and it would have been very easy. Mishin should have no say. I'm tired of his political pull and the federation's politics.

 

[Scott512]

I disagree.
They are all olympic champions as a national team if not, I don’t see the meaning of this competition and nobody would want to do it preferring the single.

They are team event Olympic Champions at best they are not Olympic champions.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

That said an Olympic team gold medal is nice but it doesn't make a skater an Olympic champion. Mark is not an Olympic champion.

with this I cannot agree at all. It was a team Olympic tournament. Everyone who was on the team becomes champions, including Mark.

Otherwise, you can say, for example, that none of the players of the Czech national hockey team became the Olympic champion in Nagano on the grounds that none of them played as well as Gretzky in his best years.

 

[Scott512]

What happens now at TT? Did EG go to battle for Anna in the free skate of the team event? If she did not and Anna would know this and would no doubt leave this summer. The same goes for Sasha and Aliona probably already has one skate out the door.

Also how much can these girls take of the KV overload? She is a Phenom like we've never seen in figure skating and so likable. But Anna Sasha and aliona are also great and special. Anna and Sasha have to be deeply hurt that they were brushed to the side and didn't even get a chance to be and the team event.

Maybe this is the crazy genius of the Russian Federation that they're out there to destroy their own Dynasty in ladies figure skating.

 

[Scott512]

with this I cannot agree at all. It was a team Olympic tournament. Everyone who was on the team becomes champions, including Mark.

Otherwise, you can say, for example, that none of the players of the Czech national hockey team became the Olympic champion in Nagano on the grounds that none of them played as well as Gretzky in his best years.

We will agree to disagree then.

The team event in figure skating comes off as a gimmick compared to the gymnastics competitions at the Olympics or the hockey teams at the Olympics. The gymnast give their whole life to the team event the same with hockey with figure skating this team event is an afterthought it's not their life's goal.

Don't you think the team gold medal that Angelica melnikova got in the Summer Olympics for Russia means more to her than the team event gold medal KV just got? My guess is you will say yes. Russia had not won an Olympic team gold medal since 1992 it means a lot more than this team event in figure skating which is kind of a gimmick and not even the main course of figure skating at the OlOlympics.o

This Russian gold medal team with one lady skater one man skater one pair team and only one dance team does not come close to a gold medal hockey team with 25 players.

But if you insist then my point of not allowing Anna and another pairs team to experience this gold medal is even more deplorable than we already think it is and it will bother them a lot. The Federation was very foolish and nobody knows why. Hell I would have rather Diana and Gleb got a team gold medal if Anna got one too.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

What happens now at TT? Did EG go to battle for Anna in the free skate of the team event? If she did not and Anna would know this and would no doubt leave this summer.

From a recent interview with Vogue magazine:

It happened at the stage of the Grand Prix in Las Vegas. I performed unsuccessfully in the short program, but in the FS for the first time at the senior level I performed two quadruple lutz. After the performance, Eteri Georgievna told me that I was a hero. These words were more valuable than the medal.

do not think that Anna will leave Eteri so easily. For this to happen, something quite incredible must happen. In addition, there is no practical sense in this, as has already been seen in several examples.

 

[Amei]

What happens now at TT? Did EG go to battle for Anna in the free skate of the team event? If she did not and Anna would know this and would no doubt leave this summer. The same goes for Sasha and Aliona probably already has one skate out the door.

Also how much can these girls take of the KV overload? She is a Phenom like we've never seen in figure skating and so likable. But Anna Sasha and aliona are also great and special. Anna and Sasha have to be deeply hurt that they were brushed to the side and didn't even get a chance to be and the team event.

Maybe this is the crazy genius of the Russian Federation that they're out there to destroy their own Dynasty in ladies figure skating.

Well for starters I want to point out, what I posted was related to what someone else posted that commentators heard, nothing has officially been said by any parties involved, though I did see a comment on 1 of the Shcherbakova practice videos that she shook her head and walked away when asked about the team event so my guess is at least for the duration of the Olympics there's unlikely to be anything said about it

But what's been alleged is Shcherbakova WAS going to do the Team event, so TT didn't need to go to bat for her to do the FS. The problem was actually centered around pairs, there was a blowup regarding pairs and the Fed decided they would not do any substitutions and basically pulled Shcherbakova from the Team event. If there was some type of blow-up the Fed should have just removed Pairs from the equation of being substituted.

 

[Lechat]

They are team event Olympic Champions at best they are not Olympic champions.

It doesn’t matter, in the end, they will all receive the same prize.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

We will agree to disagree then.

The team event in figure skating comes off as a gimmick compared to the gymnastics competitions at the Olympics or the hockey teams at the Olympics. The gymnast give their whole life to the team event the same with hockey with figure skating this team event is an afterthought it's not their life's goal.

I would say that this is a relatively new direction. But if it is so minor, then why did the discussion about the correctness of Karen Chen's choice become so long, why did a whole storm of emotions rise around this?

Over time, the prestige of a team tournament can grow significantly, as happened, for example, with the European Football Championship. Why devalue its significance by saying that the winners are some kind of not quite real Olympic champions?

 

[Scott512]

It doesn’t matter, in the end, they will all receive the same prize.

Very true. But an individual gold will mean much more than a team gold in figure skating.

 

[icybear]

Well its a good thing we dont have the Evgenia and Alina dynamic this time round cause if this happened in 2018, Evgenia would have left Eteri on the spot. Hopefully no "Why didnt you keep Kamila in juniors" from Anna and Alexandra cause they seem way too nice esp Anna.

 

[Scott512]

I would say that this is a relatively new direction. But if it is so minor, then why did the discussion about the correctness of Karen Chen's choice become so long, why did a whole storm of emotions rise around this?

Over time, the prestige of a team tournament can grow significantly, as happened, for example, with the European Football Championship. Why devalue its significance by saying that the winners are some kind of not quite real Olympic champions?

I don't devalue it Alex I just put it in its proper place.

The Olympic team event in figure skating will never come close to the Olympic team event in hockey or gymnastics. That's not the devaluing the team event in figure skating. And like you said the team event will grow and prestige over the years.

This figure skating team event was controversial exciting and upsetting. But it should be after the individual figure skating competitions which are of far greater importance than the team event.

 

[Amei]

I don't devalue it Alex I just put it in its proper place.

The Olympic team event in figure skating will never come close to the Olympic team event in hockey or gymnastics. That's not the devaluing the team event in figure skating. And like you said the team event will grow and prestige over the years.

This figure skating team event was controversial exciting and upsetting. But it should be after the individual figure skating competitions which are of far greater importance than the team event.

I think its a little much to say it will never mean as mush as some other events

 

[SkatingFann1]

What happens now at TT? Did EG go to battle for Anna in the free skate of the team event? If she did not and Anna would know this and would no doubt leave this summer. The same goes for Sasha and Aliona probably already has one skate out the door.

Also how much can these girls take of the KV overload? She is a Phenom like we've never seen in figure skating and so likable. But Anna Sasha and aliona are also great and special. Anna and Sasha have to be deeply hurt that they were brushed to the side and didn't even get a chance to be and the team event.

Maybe this is the crazy genius of the Russian Federation that they're out there to destroy their own Dynasty in ladies figure skating.

I mean Anna Alexandra and Alena were the Kamila of 2019. They pushed out Alina and Evgenia. I’m sure they knew it was bound to happen. If anything I feel bad for Alena who was arguably the leader that season and watching Anna and Alexandra there without her must be tough. I give credit to Alexandra and Anna as I don’t think we thought that 2 of the 3A would make it. Some didn’t even think 1 could.