2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Jontor]

Anna had to deal with a lot in that green room. Kaori's breakdown. It seems Anna called for help?

https://twitter.com/sinxcosxtanxdx/status/1494410599123787776

This wasn't shown on Eurosport so I haven't seen it before. But I am even more impressed by Anna and her handling the situation.

 

[McBibus]

Eteri couldn't be at K&C with Anya, as she was with Kamila starting just after Anna. Stop these stupid insinuations.

The main coach of any team is alwais with the next skater when they skate in sequence.

 

[Jontor]

Senior Gold Medal count in women

Olympics+Worlds+Euros+GPF+RusNats

1. Irina Slutskaya 17 - 0+2+7+4+4
2. Maria Butyrskaya 10 - 0+1+3+0+6
3. Evgenia Medvedeva 8 - 0+2+2+2+2
4. Alina Zagitova 5 - 1+1+1+1+1
4. Anna Shcherbakova 5 - 1+1+0+0+3
4. Adelina Sotnikova 5 - 1+0+0+0+4
7. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 4 - 0+1+1+1+1
8. Elena Sokolova 3 - 0+0+0+0+3
9. Ksenia Doronina 2 - 0+0+0+0+2
9. Alëna Kostornaia 2 - 0+0+1+1+0
9. Kamila Valieva 2 - 0+0+1+0+1
12. Olga Markova 1 - 0+0+0+0+1
12. Ksenia Makarova 1 - 0+0+0+0+1
12. Yulia Lipnitskaya 1 - 0+0+1+0+0
12. Elena Radionova 1 - 0+0+0+0+1
12. Sofia Samodurova 1 - 0+0+1+0+0

Zagitova is the only one who has one gold of each.

Kostornaia, Lipnitskaya and Samodurova are the only ones who have international titles but no RusNat gold.

And yes, Sasha is right, she has no senior gold medals.

 

[Fanof]

Senior Gold Medal count in women

Olympics+Worlds+Euros+GPF+RusNats

1. Irina Slutskaya 17 - 0+2+7+4+4
2. Maria Butyrskaya 10 - 0+1+3+0+6
3. Evgenia Medvedeva 8 - 0+2+2+2+2
4. Alina Zagitova 5 - 1+1+1+1+1
4. Anna Shcherbakova 5 - 1+1+0+0+3
4. Adelina Sotnikova 5 - 1+0+0+0+4
7. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 4 - 0+1+1+1+1
8. Elena Sokolova 3 - 0+0+0+0+3
9. Ksenia Doronina 2 - 0+0+0+0+2
9. Alëna Kostornaia 2 - 0+0+1+1+0
9. Kamila Valieva 2 - 0+0+1+0+1
12. Olga Markova 1 - 0+0+0+0+1
12. Ksenia Makarova 1 - 0+0+0+0+1
12. Yulia Lipnitskaya 1 - 0+0+1+0+0
12. Elena Radionova 1 - 0+0+0+0+1
12. Sofia Samodurova 1 - 0+0+1+0+0

Zagitova is the only one who has one gold of each.

Kostornaia, Lipnitskaya and Samodurova is the only ones who have international titles but no RusNat gold.

And yes, Sasha is right, she has no senior gold medals.

If B sample is positive, I think she will become the Russian champion since it was an in-competition test.

 

[Placebo11]

If B sample is positive, I think she will become the Russian champion since it was an in-competition test.

But this is definitely not the way she wants to win Gold.

 

[Amei]

If B sample is positive, I think she will become the Russian champion since it was an in-competition test.

Not so sure that the Nationals title will be rescinded as its a domestic event the fed I believe would have to initiate that, based on the reactions in the Russian press I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't rescind Valieva's national title no matter what the ISU or WADA does, and I don't know if an international agency like the ISU or WADA could go after a domestic title

 

[Jontor]

Not so sure that the Nationals title will be rescinded as its a domestic event the fed I believe would have to initiate that, based on the reactions in the Russian press I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't rescind Valieva's national title no matter what the ISU or WADA does, and I don't know if an international agency like the ISU or WADA could go after a domestic title

Yes, I think so too. But the European title might be in danger.

 

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Yes, I think so too. But the European title might be in danger.

I shall hope for the better.

 

[wakuwaku]

Do you think Russian athletes will be in danger to not able to attend Worlds given how other countries views/will treat Russia now? I hope it won't be the case - and it won't affect judges scores as well

 

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Do you think Russian athletes will be in danger to not able to attend Worlds given how other countries views/will treat Russia now? I hope it won't be the case - and it won't affect judges scores as well

I think (hope) that if things stay as they are: recognition of separatists - yes, invasion into Ukraine - no, nothing dramatic will happen with Russian skaters' participation and scores. But poilitics is forbidden here to build on this one sentence.

 

[Amei]

Do you think Russian athletes will be in danger to not able to attend Worlds given how other countries views/will treat Russia now? I hope it won't be the case - and it won't affect judges scores as well

Regarding participation - is there any precedent to prohibit athletes? Without getting into politics, there are plenty of countries actively competing with lets just say "issues".

Scoring: i doubt it

 

[brakes]

I think (hope) that if things stay as they are: recognition of separatists - yes, invasion into Ukraine - no, nothing dramatic will happen with Russian skaters' participation and scores. But poilitics is forbidden here to build on this one sentence.

I wish you recognize your next year's prime seats Nats tickets' wish to separate from you and join my pocket.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Omg!!! Good ol Anna! Had time to become Olympic Champion, make Vlogs and bring home a Bing Dwen Dwen for Sofia! Seriously!!!! Mad respect from me

https://www.instagram.com/p/CaURc02ocur/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

[Blades of Passion]

Measured jump heigths of the 14 best skaters in women's olympic short program (in a combination only the first jump counts):

1. Sakamoto Kaori (37 cm, 36 cm)
2. Trusova Alexandra (35 cm, 34 cm)
3. Shcherbakova Anna (33 cm, 35 cm)

Those numbers are not wholly accurate and also the highest jump was Karen Chen's Lutz, which is conveniently missing from the list.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Those numbers are not wholly accurate and also the highest jump was Karen Chen's Lutz, which is conveniently missing from the list.

How high was Karen’s lutz? Screencap?

 

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How high was Karen’s lutz? Screencap?

Whatever, it's not as high as Kamila's 4T. And why do we discuss "Karen's greatness" in RLT?

 

[gsk8]

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[vwxyz]

Whatever, it's not as high as Kamila's 4T. And why do we discuss "Karen's greatness" in RLT?

There are no quads in the short program, and not all jump heights are recorded.

 

[wakuwaku]

Therefore it was shocking to me that she ended up completely unhappy in a nervous breakdown on camera, convinced the Olympic Silver is a failure. To me this is not easily brushed off with "oh it's normal, she wanted to win, she's a competitor, of course she is disappointed."
This kind of reaction to the Olympic Silver makes me imagine what kind of environment this girl lives in at the rink and at home. It was just overall disturbing. The psychological state these girls seem to exist in makes me question many a thing.

Such reaction only possible for people raised in an overly pampering environment, IMO. Raised in oppressing and brutal environment an athlete would never be sure in their victory because of their own low self-esteem - therefore he won't feel disappointment of this degree. If anything - I think Eteri was too soft towards Trusova - catering to her every whim - letting her put a crown on her head (it was quite similar to Eteri's attitude towards Medvedeva - and Medvedeva's own reaction to defeat as a result). It's obvious that Trusova is "pampered princess" if only by huge amount of dogs her family presents her and she is allowed to carry with her everywhere. And the most I don't like about Trusova's fit is not perceived "cruelty" of Eteri - not at all. It's utter lack of respect towards her opponents. I am not saying Trusova is not working hard or that she is not worthy of victory. But if you remember reaction of other athletes who did maximum they could and still lost (Yuna Kim in Sochi, Valieva in previous RusNat, even Nemov in gymnastics) - you will see what I mean. If you remember how humble to their own victory reacted Zagitova and Shscherbakova - you will see what I mean. The best character is raised in strict environment - they knew how hard their opponents should work and respect it.

for the the ones who decided to let kamila skate because they feared the damage it could do. letting Kamila skate was what damaged here more than anything

No. Canceling victory ceremony (i.e. blackmailing her to lose by feel of guilt towards her teammates) and letting her personal information out for media to prey upon is what damaged her the most. And that was IOC who did it. If IOC followed their own rules about "protecting" person - the CAS decision would work as it was intended.

Honestly, after seeing what happened to Kamila I support an age limit increase to 18.

You are saying it like 18 y.o. athlete couldn't had the same trauma being put in Valieva's circumstances ) They would had - and ROC advocates could get the same CAS decision for skater of any age, btw. Raising age with this argument is an attempt of IOC to evade legal responsibilities first of all. They don't care about protecting anything. You should support implementing "protected person" rule for every athlete of any age instead. To avoid psychological traumas to everybody - not only minors. And lawsuits against IOC if they are breaking this rule. Nobody should be labeled as criminals until final decision of a court.

 

[Jontor]

Those numbers are not wholly accurate and also the highest jump was Karen Chen's Lutz, which is conveniently missing from the list.

Interestingly, highest is not always the best. The Swedish commentators on Eurosport (a coach and a former skater) had an interesting take on Karen Chen. Her jumps are high, but her jumping technique is a bit flawed as she only rotates on her way down which causes her to underrotate. They also said about Jason Brown that he had a bit of a "Karen Chen problem", that's why he can't do quads.

Overall, they praised both skaters.

But this discussion of height is rather pointless, as it doesn't take rotation speed into account.