2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Scott512]

They only have to be citizens to compete in the Olympics; all other competitions they do not. I wonder if its possible some of the former soviet states with ties to Russia or smaller countries will take Russian athletes with a backdoor agreement that the skater will transfer back to Russia once the ban is rescinded or if the athletes make that agreement with the Russian Fed individually.

Its possible. That is a brilliant idea now pulling it off will be even more difficult.
I do wonder what transfers we will see with the Russians from it's from coach to coach this summer or some even leaving for training bases outside of Russia and then if they have some money they open a bank account in the new country they are training it so they can travel internationally if they want.

 

[chuckm]

Its possible. That is a brilliant idea now pulling it off will be even more difficult.
I do wonder what transfers we will see with the Russians from it's from coach to coach this summer or some even leaving for training bases outside of Russia and then if they have some money they open a bank account in the new country they are training it so they can travel internationally if they want.

They will still have Russian passports. Some countries can refuse them visas, so that could limit them to the competitions they could enter.

 

[Amei]

Its possible. That is a brilliant idea now pulling it off will be even more difficult.
I do wonder what transfers we will see with the Russians from it's from coach to coach this summer or some even leaving for training bases outside of Russia and then if they have some money they open a bank account in the new country they are training it so they can travel internationally if they want.

Financing yes would be difficult because an athlete would no longer get funding from the Russian Fed for training and travel costs. I don't see any issue with them training in Russia still, the only issue would be needing to arrange competition travel due to having a Russian passport, I know there have been some restrictions from some countries.

 

[Scott512]

Financing yes would be difficult because an athlete would no longer get funding from the Russian Fed for training and travel costs. I don't see any issue with them training in Russia still, the only issue would be needing to arrange competition travel due to having a Russian passport, I know there have been some restrictions from some countries.

That's true and I like your ideas and wish you were running the Russian figure skating Federation. After they screwed Anna or Sasha out of an easy team Olympic gold medal I want them all gone and replaced with younger more open minds.

 

[Scott512]

They will still have Russian passports. Some countries can refuse them visas, so that could limit them to the competitions they could enter.

That very possibly could happen. But no country has ever done that with any athletes as far as I know and many countries have invaded other countries and been in wars this century alone. I don't remember any athletes from those countries having visas denied or getting banished from their sport. What the ISU is doing is certainly setting a precedent. They better follow it in the future when this happens again and other countries are involved.

I think if the Russian ladies are banished internationally again this time for next season I think it will certainly shorten careers because why put in all that effort for those trainings and ultra jumps if you're just gonna skate in the Russian cup and Russian nationals? Of course Russian nationals is a super big event for 3 of the 4 disciplines in which Russia has the greatest talent and depth.

No one knows where sasha is at and if she wants to continue. I sure hope she does as spectacular as she is if she retires it would be a great loss for figure skating. I hope the silver medal at the Olympics did not break her. But I also wonder how upset she is at the federation for not putting her in the team event when she is the Queen of quads and the gold medal for the team event was wrapped up already..Maybe sasha is just on a break at the moment. I hope that's the case.

 

[lariko]

That very possibly could happen. But no country has ever done that with any athletes as far as I know and many countries have invaded other countries and been in wars this century alone. I don't remember any athletes from those countries having visas denied or getting banished from their sport.

They can put blanket ban on issuing visas to all Russian citizens. My understanding is, this is what actually happening now, and Russians can't leave Russia.

Plus, skaters in the past had issues with visas and were unable to attend competitions. Shaidorov did just now.

Russian passport is not the best one to travel with and will become even worse. I spent a lot of time in my youth getting visas and discussing my life with immigration control. The issuing authority needs only a shred of suspicion that a young unwed person might not return back to Russia but God forbid stay, to issue even a transit visa. With a Canadian entry visa on hand, with plane tickets on hand, after having had worked in Canada and UK for a year as an engineer, I literally was refused a transit visa through States when I was flying to Canada by US embassy in Moscow, simply because I was 22, unmarried and Russian, so the officer there decided I would dash for it from the airport, since I am, you know, Russian. I still feel pissed when I wave my Canadian passport even now at those bastards. They sure served to protect US very, very well against the menace that I was to them.

 

[Scott512]

They can put blanket ban on issuing visas to all Russian citizens. My understanding is, this is what actually happening now, and Russians can't leave Russia.

Plus, skaters in the past had issues with visas and were unable to attend competitions. Shaidorov did just now.

Russian passport is not the best one to travel with and will become even worse. I spent a lot of time in my youth getting visas and discussing my life with immigration control. The issuing authority needs only a shred of suspicion that a young unwed person might not return back to Russia but God forbid stay, to issue even a transit visa. With a Canadian entry visa on hand, with plane tickets on hand, after having had worked in Canada and UK for a year as an engineer, I literally was refused a transit visa through States when I was flying to Canada by US embassy in Moscow, simply because I was 22, unmarried and Russian, so the officer there decided I would dash for it from the airport, since I am, you know, Russian. I still feel pissed when I wave my Canadian passport even now at those bastards. They sure served to protect US very, very well against the menace that I was to them.

Can Russian athletes get special exemption
when it comes to Visa's? I don't think anyone would think of them as dangerous. I am sorry you went through that it must have been a terrible experience. Yes you got squeezed because you were Russian. The game is dirty.

And the other issue is that if Russian banks remain blocked outside of Russia how can they they travel ro competitions? It's virtually impossible.

Also lariko will Russian athletes ever pose for pictures with their president again? I mean we've seen so many pictures over the years of him with many Russian skaters. I would think those kinds of pictures are over.

 

[NaVi]

Also lariko will Russian athletes ever pose for pictures with their president again? I mean we've seen so many pictures over the years of him with many Russian skaters. I would think those kinds of pictures are over.

The post-Olympic meeting that's been postponed twice already is suppose to be held at the end of April. I expect it not to be held TBH. A big issue is that they insist the athletes go into quarantine because of COVID.

 

[Amei]

Can Russian athletes get special exemption
when it comes to Visa's? I don't think anyone would think of them as dangerous.

Also lariko will Russian athletes ever pose for pictures with their president again? I mean we've seen so many pictures over the years of him with many Russian skaters. I would think those kinds of pictures are over.

I have heard there were agreements for athletes in the past, not sure how true it is.

Regarding pictures with their President for post-olympics, I wonder if the Fed might be trying to stop that from happening - the Russian Fed is supposedly suing to be reinstated next season, they probably are wanting to prevent athletes that intend to compete in a position for too many people to scream propaganda about the athletes. I noticed the 2 sets of athletes sent to the rally a few weeks ago were athletes that I had heard were going to retire (T/M and S/K) after this season.

1 thing in RusFed's favor is they pay fees to be part of ISU, ISU is not flush with cash - as long as Russia and Belarus are banned they should not be required to pay ISU membership fees and should be refunded fees attributed to worlds this year

 

[brakes]

Should we create "Russian Women's Pole Dancing" thread now or what?

 

[Amei]

Should we create "Russian Women's Pole Dancing" thread now or what?

Do I even want know what prompted this comment?

 

[Scott512]

I have heard there were agreements for athletes in the past, not sure how true it is.

Regarding pictures with their President for post-olympics, I wonder if the Fed might be trying to stop that from happening - the Russian Fed is supposedly suing to be reinstated next season, they probably are wanting to prevent athletes that intend to compete in a position for too many people to scream propaganda about the athletes. I noticed the 2 sets of athletes sent to the rally a few weeks ago were athletes that I had heard were going to retire (T/M and S/K) after this season.

1 thing in RusFed's favor is they pay fees to be part of ISU, ISU is not flush with cash - as long as Russia and Belarus are banned they should not be required to pay ISU membership fees and should be refunded fees attributed to worlds this year

As per usual you are flushed with information that few know about. Like the agreements for athletes in the past where visas are concerned and about how Russia and Belarus pay fees to the ISU which is not exactly rolling in cash. Interesting. But I would need to know what those fees are if they will actually make a difference. I am assuming the federations will vote to ban Russia from next season and I am assuming CAS will overturn that on the basis that this is unprecedented and many countries have invaded other countries and gone to war this century alone and their athletes never suffered anything from it.

The rally was confusing to me. I was a little disappointed some of the Olympic skaters went. Was it a pro Russia rally or a pro Putin rally? Those could be 2 different things.

 

[Scott512]

The post-Olympic meeting that's been postponed twice already is suppose to be held at the end of April. I expect it not to be held TBH. A big issue is that they insist the athletes go into quarantine because of COVID.

What post Olympic meeting? the ISU?
About whether Russia can compete on the ISU next season or not?

I'm not sure about your point about athletes a and covid. There is no reason to go on quarantine because the virus is on the dow low around most of the world if not all of it at this time.

 

[Amei]

I think if the Russian ladies are banished internationally again this time for next season I think it will certainly shorten careers because why put in all that effort for those trainings and ultra jumps if you're just gonna skate in the Russian cup and Russian nationals? Of course Russian nationals is a super big event for 3 of the 4 disciplines in which Russia has the greatest talent and depth.

Agree, if the suspension goes too long there are going to be retirements from the older skaters (Tuktamysheva, Shcherbakova, etc.) that have won a lot internationally. I don't know about the lower-aged skaters, I mean 1 of the great things about Russian skating is that it has domestic competitions all the time for their younger age skaters, so competing domestically only is something they are used to.

No one knows where sasha is at and if she wants to continue. I sure hope she does as spectacular as she is if she retires it would be a great loss for figure skating. I hope the silver medal at the Olympics did not break her. But I also wonder how upset she is at the federation for not putting her in the team event when she is the Queen of quads and the gold medal for the team event was wrapped up already..Maybe sasha is just on a break at the moment. I hope that's the case.

I actually think she needs to get 'broken down' a little bit - she's said before that her coaches tried to advise her to do less quads and focus elsewhere and cited that as a reason she left and went to Plushenko; there was something with Plushenko as well that caused her to leave, he referenced in an interview that he didn't know how to handle her personality. Eteri appeared to take the approach, let her do it her (Trusova's) way and when it inevitably doesn't work out, it will be on her vs. trying to fight her. 1 thing that both Shcherbakova and Zagitova had in their background was that they had to fight back from injuries to get to the Olympics; Shcherbakova was written off right and left, including up to the Europeans FS. Trusova came into seniors winning everything as a junior except 1 competition, on this board it wasn't talked about if she would win but by how much, she got anointed with the various nicknames like 'quad queen'. I kinda wonder if it went to her head and was the source behind her lack of listening to her coaches advisements to focus less on the quads. We heard it on the broadcast at the Olympics that her mindset is winning is first place, everything else is losing; on the other hand Shcherbakova has often talked about she only wants to go out and show her best. Sadly I've seen it remarked that people wished Trusova had won because Shcherbakova wouldn't have reacted the way Trusova did and there wouldn't have been as much focus on meltdowns before the flower ceremony - which is terrible, just because 1 handles 'losing' better.

about how Russia and Belarus pay fees to the ISU which is not exactly rolling in cash. Interesting. But I would need to know what those fees are if they will actually make a difference.

ISU Communication referencing membership fees

As per usual you are flushed with information that few know about. Like the agreements for athletes in the past where visas are concerned

I will stress here, that was something I had seen mentioned on (I think on GS), I've got no idea if its truth, rumor or somewhere in between

I am assuming the federations will vote to ban Russia from next season and I am assuming CAS will overturn that on the basis that this is unprecedented and many countries have invaded other countries and gone to war this century alone and their athletes never suffered anything from it.

I have no idea how any of that would work.

The rally was confusing to me. I was a little disappointed some of the Olympic skaters went. Was it a pro Russia rally or a pro Putin rally? Those could be 2 different things.

What was the rally? It depends on who you ask, Western media says 1 thing, Russian media says something else. My opinion - truth lies somewhere in the middle. Regarding athlete participation, I have a neutral opinion on that, because if even half of what the Western media says is true, then I doubt they were given a choice at all or felt like they could say 'no'.

 

[Amei]

What post Olympic meeting? the ISU?
About whether Russia can compete on the ISU next season or not?

I'm not sure about your point about athletes a and covid. There is no reason to go on quarantine because the virus is on the dow low around most of the world if not all of it at this time.

The post-Olympic meeting with Putin where he shakes their hands, tells them the country is proud of them, blah-blah-blah, usually they get some type of government medal.

I'm not sure about your point about athletes a and covid. There is no reason to go on quarantine because the virus is on the dow low around most of the world if not all of it at this time.

From what was said pre-war anyone who was going to do the Kremlin/Putin meeting/ceremony was going to have to quarantine beforehand.

 

[NaVi]

What post Olympic meeting? the ISU?
About whether Russia can compete on the ISU next season or not?

I'm not sure about your point about athletes a and covid. There is no reason to go on quarantine because the virus is on the dow low around most of the world if not all of it at this time.

There's always a post-Olympic meeting between Olympic medalists and the president(aka Putin). It's been canceled twice already. This is also when they get their car as a gift IIRC.They want the athletes to go into quarantine before this meeting though.

 

[brakes]

Do I even want know what prompted this comment?

Evgenia Medvedeva

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[Fluture]

What was the rally? It depends on who you ask, Western media says 1 thing, Russian media says something else. My opinion - truth lies somewhere in the middle. Regarding athlete participation, I have a neutral opinion on that, because if even half of what the Western media says is true, then I doubt they were given a choice at all or felt like they could say 'no'.

None of Eteri's girls went. You don't think they'd have wanted the reigning Olympic Gold and Silver medalists there? If they could refuse, T/M and S/K could have. Tutberidze, Gleikhengauz and some of her skaters have literally liked Diana Davis' very blunt anti-war post. No one has come for their heads. So yes, you can show (or could, at the time) that you're against the war in Russia without actually going to protests, even in public positions like theirs. Attending a pro war-rally (because that's what it was if you listen to what was actually said there and look at the Z's worn on their chests) is doing the complete opposite of that. The figure skaters that went were all grown adults. They knew what they were doing. Stop making excuses for them.

Anyway, this post is probably going to removed and sorry for interrupting the thread. But I couldn't not say anything about that.

 

[Pereiro]

Show season started - Anya said in today video that tomorrow they already leaving to Minsk (first Team Tut show of season)

 

[Amei]

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If they could refuse, T/M and S/K could have. Tutberidze, Gleikhengauz and some of her skaters have literally liked Diana Davis' very blunt anti-war post. No one has come for their heads. So yes, you can show (or could, at the time) that you're against the war in Russia without actually going to protests, even in public positions like theirs. Attending a pro war-rally (because that's what it was if you listen to what was actually said there and look at the Z's worn on their chests) is doing the complete opposite of that. The figure skaters that went were all grown adults. They knew what they were doing. Stop making excuses for them.

Anyway, this post is probably going to removed and sorry for interrupting the thread. But I couldn't not say anything about that.

I actually made a comment related to that earlier, the 2 teams that went to the rally are athletes that from what I've seen intended to retire this season; i wonder if that was by design for the fight with the ISU for competing going forward, no athletes that plan to compete included in the rally.

And didn't that Urgant guy that had the show the skaters went on lose that show because of his outspoken views on the war? Thats what I've seen said on here, so yes there would appear to be limits on what they can and cannot do without repercussions.