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I think Ashley Wagner's going to become the biggest rival to Yu-na and/or Mao in 2010

She seems to be making good progress, coming out on her own at the GP this season. But it means squat- remember Alyssa in 2005?

As for Wagner, and whether she's someone to root for...is she likeable? Not a question I expect anyone to answer, and won't do so myself, but I just think KM had something about her that I don't see in other skaters that makes one want to root for her.

Why is everyone forgetting that Rachael Flatt had the best LP at Nationals? I don't think Ashley is able to challenge Yu-Na or Mao. Ashley Wagner only reminds me of Sarah Hughes, and I will be so dismayed if I see another ungraceful skater win OGM based on her jumping skills. And Mirai is head and shoulders better than her because she's a more total package skater, and of course there's caroline Zhang. please don't forget that.
 
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Ashley Wagner

I have to agree with Blue Dog. Although I would hate to predict what Ashley will do in the future, she does make you smile when she skates much like the energy and joy of Tara Lipinski. I thought her ponytail added to the pep of the program.

Dizzy
 
I find Ashley more like that 'tomboy up the street'. I'm sure she would do well in tennis, softball, soccer, etc. But she skates, and for that, she is a refreshing change from those sweet little cherub-like others.

Joe
 
I like Ashley, and I thought she should've won the LP over Rachael Flatt. But I think it's a little premature to proclaim her to be THE rival for Yu-na and Mao. Until she, or any of the other young U.S. skaters, actually manages to beat Yu-na or Mao at least once (I guess Caroline beat each of Yu-na (CoC) and Mao (GPF) once in the SP, but great skaters like Yu-na & Mao are tough to beat in the LP even when they do make some mistakes), then I think it's really too early to say anything.

Although Ashley got 123 for her LP at National's, don't forget that she only scored 108 with a near-perfect skate at TEB, while Mao scored 122. It's true that Ashley didn't do a 3-3 at TEB, but at National's she had a downgrade on the 3R-2R, and also for the one 3-3 she tried at SC, she was downgraded. I would say that National's score was at least 10 points inflated, possibly more.

Also the puberty bug has yet to bite the 4 young ladies. I don't think even Ashley has completely filled out yet. To me she looks like she's grown since last year. 16 for an elite female athlete is still early in the growth-spurt stage. Mao & Yu-na have obviously been having their own growth issues around 17, but it looks like they're both managing it all right.

It remains to be seen who the top contenders will be in 2010.

On the positive note, it is definitely really exciting to have so many talented young ladies skating at such high levels!
 
I thought Ashley's ponytail went well with the choreography and music - adds a bit of sass to her skate.

I did not like it al first, but my nationals..i agree argee. It looked spunky and suited her.

Ashley to me exhibited the same joy that Tara Lipinski used to exhibit when she skated. Tara's skating made you...happy. Ashley's does the same to me.

Agree with you too! She gives you the feeling that she loves what she is doing and makes you love watching her. Ashley makes everything look very easy... but not in the same way caroline does. Ashley makes you think that you can do it too!:clap:
 
These discussions are always so funny... three years ago it was all about how Kimmie & Emily were so fresh and talented and were gonna run the big dawgs right off the ice - now, Kimmie's a has-been and Emily can't compete... because the fans have new favorites...

C'mon - lets allow Ashley and her counterparts a chance to develop, grow and (gasp!) even fail a bit... and worry about 2010 when its time.
 
These discussions are always so funny... three years ago it was all about how Kimmie & Emily were so fresh and talented and were gonna run the big dawgs right off the ice - now, Kimmie's a has-been and Emily can't compete... because the fans have new favorites...

C'mon - lets allow Ashley and her counterparts a chance to develop, grow and (gasp!) even fail a bit... and worry about 2010 when its time.

Couldn't. Agree. More.
 
I find Ashley more like that 'tomboy up the street'. I'm sure she would do well in tennis, softball, soccer, etc. But she skates, and for that, she is a refreshing change from those sweet little cherub-like others.

Joe

maybe that's why I've always liked her...

ok so I noticed her because she skated for the Anchorage FS Club... but still... she's definitely an Alaskan girl in that way ;)
 
I'm sure this has been said by many, but I think Ashley looks so much like a young Irina Slutskya. And not just looks.. Her skating has that same energy and stroking over the ice..but I think being compared to Irina would be a good thing? Although, I think Nagasu, Zhang and Flatt will become a bigger rival to Kim and Asada in 2010 more so than Wagner...
 
wow, some of you have compared Ashley to Irina or Tara Lipinsky. Ashley reminds me of Katarina Witt -or a very young Katarina Witt. You can see fire in her eyes. I think her personality is that she's not daunted by a lot of things.
 
Ashley to me exhibited the same joy that Tara Lipinski used to exhibit when she skated. Tara's skating made you...happy. Ashley's does the same to me.
You really like that bubble gum style? I don't think it would work for Ashley. She will become a mature Lady and not play up the little girl.

Joe
 
I wasn't trying too be too harsh about Ashley, but at the same time I hope it's not too much to require certain amount of balletic grace from all female solo skaters. Sure figure skating is a sport, but it's also a form of art as shown by the existence of the "second mark," and I just think it's important for skaters to have a dancer-like fluidity, grace and elegance on the ice. Which is why I think posture and performance skills are very important. While I think Ashely's got some musicality, I yet don't think she' s as graceful as Mirai or Rachael Flatt. I couldt believe some people thought there currently are two schools of skaters, the first being one that Michelle Kwan belong to, one of elegant fluid style, and the other being the one for the jumping beans and the athletes, such as Tara Lipinski and Sarah Hughes I suppose. One poster in particular seemed to think that the return of the latter was evident nowadays and was a good thing for the sport. In fact, however, I believe BOTH qualities are required (not either or) and I think Michelle, rather than belonging to just one, actually embodied both qualities better than anyone else I can think of, until her age and aching muscles gave in....And long story short, I think Ashley comes across as more of an athlete than a total package skater who's as much an artist as she's an athlete. Mirai and Rachael are more like it, though I have to say Mirai has to smile more and Rachael has to learn to be faster on the ice......Currently Yu-Na kim's the only one that possesses both qualities equally--athleticism and artistry. And I'm not saying this because I hate ashley, but I would so hate it if she won the OGM for instance over someone like Yu-Na or Mirai because she was able to land more jumps and expressed more "joy" simply by being able to "attack" more in her usual tomboy style. I experienced enough sorrow when Kwan failed to win the gold in her two consecutive olypmics, and I just hope the skater who's closest to perfection in every way, not the one that was the luckiest that night, gets to win for once.
 
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I believe BOTH qualities are required (not either or) and I think Michelle, rather than belonging to just one, actually embodied both qualities better than anyone else I can think of, until her age and aching muscles gave in....And long story short, I think Ashley comes across as more of an athlete than a total package skater who's as much an artist as she's an athlete.

Yes, Ashley is MORE of an athlete than an artist, more then again i think all of these girl are... if not they would be dancers. Anyway, I think that Ashley so unaristic as Irina Slutskya or Miki Ando. She does seem to understand the music and play up the little nuances. Her SP is a strong piece of music, not balletic or emotional... and she uses it to play up her power, speed and steadiness. Her LP is playful, cute and sassy. She shows personality, uses her hands and arms well I have to say sellls it very well. She is not artistic as Mao, Yu-na and Caroline are, but her programs are not chreogrpahed that way. Remeber Mao's debut programs the nutcracker and carmen? they were playful, young and very diffrent than what she is portraying now. Maybe ashley can come just as far.
 
In a general comparative sense, Ashley strikes me as a tap dancer, rather than a ballerina -- a Broadway musical, rather than a ballet.

Though I completely enjoy a classic skating look, I love the high contrast between her individualized style and the Zhang/Nagasu/Kim/Asada crowd. It's a welcome change of pace at most any event.

JW
 
Wagner needs a style change if she wants to compete with teh bigguns. That ponytail has got to go!


I like her classy ponytail, lol! (at least she curled it.) It's nice every now and then it's nice to have a break from the standard ballerina bun...

As far as her skating goes, I enjoy it. She radiates energy and vitality, and there's a athletic spark to her skating (Irina and Emily have it, too,) that I really like. I hate the word "spunk," but she's got it, lol!!

Also, since she's not skin and bones, she doesn't look as though she would fall down if you touched her with a feather, or break in two. She looks healthy!
 
count me as another who loves the ponytail

a bun would make her look a bit too harsh, IMHO
 
In a general comparative sense, Ashley strikes me as a tap dancer, rather than a ballerina -- a Broadway musical, rather than a ballet.

Though I completely enjoy a classic skating look, I love the high contrast between her individualized style and the Zhang/Nagasu/Kim/Asada crowd. It's a welcome change of pace at most any event.JW
Are you referring to 19th Century Ballet Style? Because ballet has come a long way since Petipa. Even modern Russian ballet is not what you imagine. Ballet is seen in Broadway shows and some movie musicals when there is a movie musical. All dancers study all the terpsichore styles nowadays. Tap is the way to go to get rhythm which I think many skaters need. Jazz dancing gives a skater great body movements. You can see what happens when one studies Spanish dancing - not a Carmen thing but a Lambiel thing.

All these dance idioms teach line and pointing toes when required. Arms vary in style. It's not the ballet lessons that give line and pointed toes only. Acrobatics do and that dance is older then ballet.

If one is hung up on the 19th century and has never seen a ballet, I would suggest Giselle as a starter. It's about real people and not some birds Then try West Side Story - a more modern one.



Eddited to add: Oops, I forgot about Ashley. She'll be fine in a few years as an excellent skater. I don't believe that young skaters make good skaters but they do have flexibility which seems to be very popular.. I prefer the ladies who have been around for a while. They may not be able to stick their leg up in the air as high, but their other attributes far outweigh that trick.

Joe
 
Yeah, I agree. As soon as I found out her coach's name, I thought she might win the gold at the Oympics. I really want Mirai to win the gold but at the same time, Wagner and her coach Hughes might have the right names together for the Olympics.

It's funny that some people compare Sarah Hughes to Kimmie.. To me, Sarah had a beautiful layback, camel, spiral and spins.. As for Kimmie... nothing really beautiful about her except for her actually skating and her face.

As for Reachael flatt... I don't know.. I have a feeling that she will have problems with her growth spurt. She doesn't seem to have the right body type to be able to keep all of her jumps. we'll see, I guess.
 
Yeah, I agree. As soon as I found out her coach's name, I thought she might win the gold at the Oympics. I really want Mirai to win the gold but at the same time, Wagner and her coach Hughes might have the right names together for the Olympics.

It's funny that some people compare Sarah Hughes to Kimmie.. To me, Sarah had a beautiful layback, camel, spiral and spins.. As for Kimmie... nothing really beautiful about her except for her actually skating and her face.

I wonder how much the name of the coach counts nowadays except for regionals and Nationals.

I agree that Kimmie has a very pretty face. I don't know why people don't mention that often, even though she doesn't act flirtatiously or wear enough makeup. From the Asian standard, her natural, healthy beauty and decent atmosphere can be considered quite appealing.

Back to Wagner, she reminds me of Emily. Both are a lot of fun to watch because they are having fun! I love their energy.
 
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I wonder how much the name of the coach counts nowadays except for regionals and Nationals.

I agree that Kimmie has a very pretty face. I don't know why people don't mention that often, even though she doesn't act flirtatiously or wear enough makeup. From the Asian standard, her natural, healthy beauty and decent atmosphere can be considered quite appealing.

Back to Wagner, she reminds me of Emily. Both are a lot of fun to watch because they are having fun! I love their energy.

well I was talking about her coach's name Hughes and Wagner.. if you put them together, Hughes/Wagner just like Sarah Hughes and Robin Wagner!
 
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