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Opinion: The brevity of skating careers

Oh, and about protections of juniors, by the age limit? I've seen that protection on the JGP when a teenage skater was allowed to skate with injured back and the referree wouldn't bothrr to blow the whistle while the kid was repeatedly falling re-injuring himself. Some protection. I am sure it's gonna help the length of his career huge time.
Yeah, that was actually scary to watch! Poor kid...I wonder how he's doing now? It was so strange that the referee didn't do anything, or the kid's coach, or heck even the crowd! He was in real trouble :(

In terms of careers, it is good that the Junior competitions are so accessible because then you can see that lots of skaters actually have quite long careers and it's nice to see their evolution. Even if a skater only competes as a junior (like Harrison Bain from NZ) you can still enjoy their careers.
 
But if everyone did that, we'd have a sport with the popularity and success of competitive knitting! (I mean, there was a Great British Sewing Bee, but they definitely did it for an audience...)
Many people play a sport, or do something artistic like playing the piano or photographing flowers or writing poetry, purely for their own enjoyment, with no competitive lust. Some people want fame or a career in those fields, or seek the applause of an audience, and more power to them. There's room for all. Decades down the line figure skating may eventually dwindle and disappear except for those who like reenactments of once hugely popular and lucrative activities. Chariot-racing? Jousting? Bull-leaping?
 
Many people play a sport, or do something artistic like playing the piano or photographing flowers or writing poetry, purely for their own enjoyment, with no competitive lust. Some people want fame or a career in those fields, or seek the applause of an audience, and more power to them. There's room for all. Decades down the line figure skating may eventually dwindle and disappear except for those who like reenactments of once hugely popular and lucrative activities. Chariot-racing? Jousting? Bull-leaping?
Chariot-racing needs reviving :laugh:
 
I want to see people when I watch sports. I'm not interested in following their private lives, but I want to know about their career in their sport, their artistic inspirations, the ups and downs, what they contribute to the sport as a whole. And if I fall in love with a performance, I want to see more from that skater in the years to come.
That's why one hit wonders leave me absolutely cold and I'm not interested in seeing new skaters come up and then be gone in three years time. It's boring.
 
I want to see people when I watch sports. I'm not interested in following their private lives, but I want to know about their career in their sport, their artistic inspirations, the ups and downs, what they contribute to the sport as a whole. And if I fall in love with a performance, I want to see more from that skater in the years to come.
That's why one hit wonders leave me absolutely cold and I'm not interested in seeing new skaters come up and then be gone in three years time. It's boring.
Well, you got your wish. Thanks to the circumstances beyound their control, and through no fault of their own, Russian skaters now have extended careers, well beyond 3 years, most particularly men. And every competition there is freely available to watch on every level. There is also no shortage of material about their personality and their attutude toward each program, each skate. You are welcome. Enjoy! Maybe you should write an impassionate letter to ISU to learn from Russian experience and make sure the skaters have no other choice but to entertain you for over 3 years, whether they want to or not, like Messing who was desperately signaling for 2 or 3 years he wants to be with his family, not skate.
 
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There is no accounting for fandom. People literally swooned in rapture and had to be carried from the venue when Franz Liszt played the piano, or when the Beatles sang "I wanna hold your hand."
Oh, sure. The IT factor. But it was you who tried to limit it down to two OGMs and "people love the winners", wasn't it ? :)
Liszt was the rock star of old, not sure what lesson we can learn from his example, but as for the Beatles at least the music industry did not pretend nothing was happening and they were a one season wonder after which we would safely go back to our most beloved Tin Pan Alley hits :biggrin: They knew all too well where their money was and - judging by memoirs of the time - any 4 kids with 3 guitars and a drum were given a fair chance to rock. While earlier, remember that famous quote "Bands with guitars are the thing of the past, you'd better give up on these Beetles and find yourself another hobby, Mr Epstein"? Maybe a year later the - heaven or hell, depending on which side you're on - broke loose.
They took the lesson. ISU has not. Main difference to me.
And you sure know what they say about wise men and fools when it comes to learning from mistakes made.
 
Mao never won the Olympics, and is loved enough to have her own solo shows....

Can I just mention, especially for @Diana Delafield and those more esoteric sports she mentioned, I have just been watching a program on travel in Scotland and they interviewed a world champion in a sport I do not expect fs to reach the dizzying heights of... Gird ‘N Cleek (aka hoop rolling)

No lesson to learn, I just thought it was funnily apt :laugh:
 
I have had this thought more often, but it's rarely inspired by "xy should have a longer career".
Now my latest incentive for this thread was simply the huge love Shoma Uno gets. I was reading the another site threads in addition to this forum and thinking how popular he is among the current skaters and I simply don't think that's just due to his skating - which is mesmerizing, yes, and he has always been popular, but that the amount of love he gets is also (maybe not in your case) imo, due to the fact that people have followed him for a while, that they know his struggles, the time when he was basically coachless, when he seemed lost, and that he has now improved and developed to be able to shine to the fullest.
I waited until the Men's FS finished at Cup of China to respond to this, hehe. I think in Shoma's case, he does have advantage in being here longer than the current crop of competitors, most of them are younger than him or don't have the battle records that he does, being a podium contender at every competition he entered for almost 10 years now. It's something that will come with time. It's sweet that you find him popular and loved- because he's certainly not as popular or loved like the past stars of figure skating (and it's ok).

But I also think Shoma is lucky that he is very visible at the top throughout the important competitions- both Olympics 2018 and 2022, and then Worlds and GPF especially when they were still well attended. He never skipped a season due to injury (think Yuma who had to sit out 2022-2023 season due to injury right after he became OSM and 2-time Worlds silver medalist), and he competed and skated at ice shows... a lot. Around 30-40 ice show performances every summer (most of them 2 times a day), doing Challengers, Japan Open, Senior Bs, Asian Winter Games, Team Challenge Cup, you name it. It's only recently that he reduced his competitions. But seeing him everywhere do make him a familiar name for fans, both dedicated and casual. The association with Japanese stars like Dai, Mao and Yuzuru doesn't hurt either when they found out he's Japanese. His skating is also "accessible" as in it's easy to get into, it's only when you find the more dedicated FS communities that you see discussion about his less-than-ideal jump technique and the two-footed skating that may turn fans off... or they just learn to accept it and enjoy skating anyway. And then of course the mistakes he made in his personal life and his reputation among younger fans on social media. But having nice costumes, skating to music quite well with a pretty face to look at even when he's small in stature doesn't hurt.

My response to this is... hoping that skating becomes a more affordable and sustainable sport so that the skaters can stay healthy easier and compete longer, and be able to show to people who watch their personal growth and journey as skaters, athletes and performers without losing momentum. Sometimes you don't have to win all the time- Shoma certainly didn't- but when you're out there and let your journey play out even though you will have a crushing defeat, it makes the victories sweeter for the fans who followed that. And of course health. Shoma's lucky to not have critical injuries even when he's pushing himself with the quads, but at the same time he also stopped doing a lutz jump from 2017, put his 4Lo into hiatus from 2018-2021, and now he isn't going to do 4S going forward. When the skater is healthy, hopefully it's easier to avoid and manage injuries. The second one is hoping that skating is easier to watch. There are so many youtube videos of Shoma, from the competitions in the past and from shows. But back then it's easier to watch skating too on TV, or after. Now there are paid streaming and geo-blocked streaming channels and other hurdles. And of course, the 2022 Olympics being how it is... I'm hoping for a better Olympics for skating in Milano Cortina. I myself found Shoma through Leslie Jones' tweet, complimenting his costume and saying it was the work of Christian Sirriano, a designer I know from Project Runway. Then I tried to look him up and here I am.
 
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Honestly, if this is specifically about Uno, I will always love him as that kid who sold figure skating to me, but I also know that Hanyu clinging to competitive skating a couple of years too long overshadowed both Uno's career and the chances for some of the Japanese skaters of that generation.

If Uno leaves tomorrow, he will still be a big deal for me. If he left before he moved to Lambiel, he would still be my fav and my Goat.

But I also have no problem discovering new favs among the younger crowd of skaters, in Japan or elsewhere.

Personally, I like Miura and Sato, and would be happy to cheer for them. In fact, maybe it would be better to maintain Japanese pool. The cult of Hanyu actually hurt FS, because so much attention was focused on just one skater and so many of his fans just came to see him compete, ignoring or worse, actively hating his competitors.

I think the sport would actually be in a steadier state if fans are more into the sport rather than idols, accept the succession and are interested in a wider circle of skaters, programs and competitions. It is impossible to cultivate such wider interest if following is hyperfocused on one person or one rivalry. It minimalizes the sport, instead of showing its breadth and variability and the randomness of each and every competition day.

Like, yes, I am sad to see Uno lost, but Shaidorov's bronze is the biggest gift at the same Cup of China.

And I care about Shaidorov's results because I watched him from juniors on. I didn't see Uno in juniors, but hey, pretty much every skater on the ice now I watched from when they were 13 or 16, and in JGP. Like i went to make a picture with Litvintzev in SkAm, and i remeber him in JGP in lilac outfit dancing to Tchaikovskiy's Waltz of Flowers.

With all the love for Finish Uncle, his drive to stay in sport till thebirth of his grandkids without winning second spot for men actually kept Finish skating down and underfunded, because the second talented guy in Finland Suntzev had to sit in juniors to get major competitions instead of gaining valuable experience.

So, yeah, watching everyone instead of fixating keeps me forever invested in the tapestry of the pro tournaments and my focus is on fairness and performances by any skater that gives me emotional high. And they might never do it again. Such is life.

I mean, sure, I understand that some people might have trouble with memory, and I am sorry to hear that, but if not, peeps, flexibility and open mind are a Good Thing. World is no longer limited like it was in 1970s. Enjoy it for what it has to offer: diversity, rather than 3 channels on TV when they show the same thing week after week. Welcome new kids on the block, accept randomness and your world may become richer for that.
 
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Artistry may not be an age thing (although artists usually do progress from a stage of exuberant youthful virtuosity to a period of artistic maturity.)

But flexibility is a youth thing. Is anyone as flexible at 25 as they were at 14? I think that is the main reason why in ladies figure skating there are so many promising 14-year-olds, and few to none at 25.
My grandmother, who lived to be 98 and had 6 children. She kept her flexibility, and none of her children or grandchildren or great grand children had her flexibility or strong swimming that she had.
 
My grandmother, who lived to be 98 and had 6 children. She kept her flexibility, and none of her children or grandchildren or great grand children had her flexibility or strong swimming that she had.
Kudos to you grandmother.

The answer here is that genetics plays a crucial role in how easy it is to maintain weight, muscular mass, aerobic fitness, joint health and flexibility as a person ages. Liu had difficulty doing it and wanted to eat marshmallows by the campfire and get into the Uni. That pair skater was fueled by mid-life changes to restore her competive shape after 35. Neither of these decisions is wrong. Both should be celebrated as women who know what they want.
 
Can I just mention, especially for @Diana Delafield and those more esoteric sports she mentioned, I have just been watching a program on travel in Scotland and they interviewed a world champion in a sport I do not expect fs to reach the dizzying heights of... Gird ‘N Cleek (aka hoop rolling)
I am partial to caber tossing myself.

But as for the topic of this thread, to all skaters I say, Lang May Yer Lum Reek (long may your chimney smoke).
 
As for the Beatles at least the music industry did not pretend nothing was happening and they were a one season wonder after which we would safely go back to our most beloved Tin Pan Alley hits :biggrin: They knew all too well where their money was and - judging by memoirs of the time - any 4 kids with 3 guitars and a drum were given a fair chance to rock. While earlier, remember that famous quote "Bands with guitars are the thing of the past, you'd better give up on these Beetles and find yourself another hobby, Mr Epstein"?
The weird thing is that this prophecy eventually came true. Boy bands with electric guitars had its day (as did Liszt playing the piano) but by 2017 rock and roll was overtaken by rap music in terms of market value. The last couple of years, however, the rap industry has lost market share to Latin-based music.

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But it was you who tried to limit it down to two OGMs and "people love the winners", wasn't it?
I confess, it was I. The essence of sport is competition. Why does a sport such as as shot-putting exist? Because two prehistoric cave men picked up a rock and bragged, I can throw this rock farther than you can. (Or the modern version, "I can throw this cannon ball farther than you can.") If you cannot put the shot very far, you will not be the rock-star of your sport no matter how charasmatic and personable you are or how compelling your back story is.

Mao Asada is mentioned above as an immesely popular performer who never won an Olympic gold medal. True, but she did win a whole lot of contests, including three world championships and was at the top of the leader board every time she took the ice -- if this had not been the case her fan appeal would not have been as great nor her legacy as memorable, regardless of how breathtaking her performances were over a long career.

There may be nitch-fandoms over popular performers who charm us (Jason's Brownies, for example), but without the hardware to back it up, these fine athletes are not in the discussion for Greatest of All Time, ,like Hanyu.

(Anyway, that's my take on why sports stars are celebrated.)
 
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Unfortunately, the ability of skaters to have long careers sometimes isn't within their control due to injuries or lack of funding. Injuries can't always be helped, but perhaps a better focus on injury prevention and access to medical professionals and physical therapists could improve things? It would be great to see more funds allocated to promising skaters, but where, ideally, should those funds come from? National feds, the ISU, people who pay for livestreams...?

I suppose the question I am trying to ask here is this: how can skaters who want to have long careers be supported in the best possible way?

Yes, prevention of injuries is much better than healing injuries. Traumatic injuries are problem but many injuries are caused by overworking body which is having postural dysfunctions muscle imbalances including.

I accidentally watched junior test skate in our country last season… 90 percent of skaters had postural dysfunctions so big that it was even visible during their skating programs (even without closer rehabilitation check-up).

During coaching seminar In September Rehabilitation was mentioned – small kids entering the sport are already having wrong posture and wrong postural habits – nobody corrects it so the figure skating leads to expansion of those postural dysfunctions.

Today‘s life style with kids playing video games and using mobile phones are supporting wrong posture unfortunately.

Postural dysfunction leads to overworking muscles and joints which leads to smaller injuries….then chronical injuries…then career ending injuries.

For example herniation of discs are not usually a result of one fall…it is a result of overworked body segment which is not protected with good deep muscle stabilizing system activation with good core strengthening. (If it would be just because “jumps are difficult and skaters fall learning it“ kind of situation – we would not have ice dancers and pair skaters having back troubles then.)

But to be frank… there is probably lack of knowledge. At inpatient clinic I work in I am checking-up athletes (from different kind of sport) as well. The situation is the same all the time, parents with athlete came when there was an injury which they were not able to deal with alone (so the pain or trouble last for longer). Last week for the first time in my life I was asked by parent who wanted to know the prevention and: “How is she doing and what we should be careful about.“ After multiple times when I had to explain to parents and athletes how is Rehabilitation important…until this moment I have three cases only when I can frankly say that both parent and athlete understood the need of regular Rehabilitation (maybe I will have fourth case next week…unfortunately it is not skater again).

So Rehabilitation from early age is a way how to prolong athlete’s career for sure, but there must be the will and interest from parents or athletes or coaches or Federation.

Financial support for Rehabilitation is probably problem in every country. As I know parents are usually paying it. (In our country there is a possibility to have rehabilitation for free.)
 
The weird thing is that this prophecy eventually came true. Boy bands with electric guitars had its day (as did Liszt playing the piano) but by 2017 rock and roll was overtaken by rap music in terms of market value. The last couple of years, however, the rap industry has lost market share to Latin-based music.


I confess, it was I. The essence of sport is competition. Why does a sport such as as shot-putting exist? Because two prehistoric cave men picked up a rock and bragged, I can throw this rock farther than you can. (Or the modern version, "I can throw this cannon ball farther than you can.") If you cannot put the shot very far, you will not be the rock-star of your sport no matter how charasmatic and personable you are or how compelling your back story is.

Mao Asada is mentioned above as an immesely popular performer who never won an Olympic gold medal. True, but she did win a whole lot of contests, including three world championships and was at the top of the leader board every time she took the ice -- if this had not been the case her fan appeal would not have been as great nor her legacy as memorable, regardless of how breathtaking her performances were over a long career.

There may be nitch-fandoms over popular performers who charm us (Jason's Brownies, for example), but without the hardware to back it up, these fine athletes are not in the discussion for Greatest of All Time, ,like Hanyu.

(Anyway, that's my take on why sports stars are celebrated.)
Well, maybe boy bands were gone by 2017 but the Beatles just scored another no 1 hit in 2023, some 60 years after their first one, so.... well, as much for the prophets ..... :)
As for the cave men, I understand FS was born when the first caveman gliding gracefully on a frozen lake suddenly jumped into the air, rotated there and landed without falling, and shouted to his friends: "Can you beat that?"
"Oh, yes" - said the guy from the second cave on the left. But instead of trying to glide faster, jump higher and rotate more times, he started to spin around like crazy.
Then a resident of yet different cave crossed the lake on one leg adding a little hop and a little turn here and there. "But can you beat THAT?" he exclaimed proudly.
So the onlookers started to quarrel who won, and they seem to quarrel to this day, and the matter seems to be eternally unsolvable.,...
So, you know, this is how FS is different from most of the sports. You can prefer Roger to Rafa or Rafa to Nole as strongly as you like, but when they play against each other, the actual outcome is rarely debated as except for a borderline ball here or there, there is really little to disagree upon, especially since the Hawk Eye has been employed. With FS nothing is so simple, so some stars do not really need these shiny medals to shine ever so brightly, and some medals do not really shine as brightly as they were supposed to.
Now, if you add artistry to that...
 
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Honestly, if this is specifically about Uno, I will always love him as that kid who sold figure skating to me, but I also know that Hanyu clinging to competitive skating a couple of years too long overshadowed both Uno's career and the chances for some of the Japanese skaters of that generation.

Hypocritical much? "Skaters should be allowed to make their own decisions on their careers... oh except for this or that one because my favourite doesn't get the spotlight as soon as I think he deserves." If Shoma (despite being much loved by judges) and the rest were overshadowed, then it was on them to rectify that, wasn't it? And if they simply couldn't (and still can't even now in Japan, China, Asia, the world...) them's the way the sporting stardom cookie crumbles.
 
But sometimes what is popular with audiences is not necessarily what is best for the integrity of the sport on its own terms as a technical sport that is not about getting balls into goals or even primarily about doing exciting tricks -- or what is best for the well-being of the athletes.
It's a balancing act (and let's be honest, 'integrity' is not a word that comes to mind a lot when TPTB are fiddling with the rules and regulations). While we none of us want to turn the sport into a 'Dancing with the Stars' type popularity contest, a sport that is expensive to run and to compete in cannot afford to turn into a Gird ‘N Cleek On Ice level of exposure. You do agree that a spectator sport needs spectators, surely?

And a lot of what is popular with audiences is success. Skating tends to be more popular in countries that have stars. And that popularity leads to more support and more kids taking up the sport and some of them themselves becoming stars decade or so later.
I think that's a truism that has proven rather dubious in NA in the last few years...

As far as longevity goes, I wonder if there could be a better way for the ISU to allow skaters whose bodies have passed their peak athleticism to compete in a different event where edge skills and performance qualities would take more precedence (solo ice dance maybe? or a separate artistic circuit for singles and pairs that includes jumps and lifts/other pair skills but with greater rewards for quality than for quantity and difficulty -- similar to the kinds of programs that we saw in 1990s pro competitions).
But who would you invite to these and would they bring an audience if the current competitions aren't doing it (oh, and who's going to pay for it?) Wasn't there a privately run competition for artistic skaters in the last few years, and how well did it do?

I know I am sounding like a gloomy Nellie Naysayer, I just think, as I said earlier, there are no single or easy answers, but - to go back to the original post - encouraging longevity in loved stars and new fresh faces is a good start. And not impossible. Other sports do it all the time...

(Oh, and let us not forget that while stars and champions are Very Important, so are the rest of them, because you cannot be a star and champion without someone to compete against, most of whom will never be. So keeping lots of them excited and encouraged and trying their best is rather important too.)
 
Honestly, if this is specifically about Uno, I will always love him as that kid who sold figure skating to me, but I also know that Hanyu clinging to competitive skating a couple of years too long overshadowed both Uno's career and the chances for some of the Japanese skaters of that generation.

The cult of Hanyu actually hurt FS, because so much attention was focused on just one skater and so many of his fans just came to see him compete, ignoring or worse, actively hating his competitors.

I think the sport would actually be in a steadier state if fans are more into the sport rather than idols, accept the succession and are interested in a wider circle of skaters, programs and competitions. It is impossible to cultivate such wider interest if following is hyperfocused on one person or one rivalry. It minimalizes the sport, instead of showing its breadth and variability and the randomness of each and every competition day.
Hypocritical much? "Skaters should be allowed to make their own decisions on their careers... oh except for this or that one because my favourite doesn't get the spotlight as soon as I think he deserves." If Shoma (despite being much loved by judges) and the rest were overshadowed, then it was on them to rectify that, wasn't it? And if they simply couldn't (and still can't even now in Japan, China, Asia, the world...) them's the way the sporting stardom cookie crumbles.
Yep, it is not the first time when I see something like that on this board and I must say it leaves me speechless every time I come across it. It just happens in all sports, arts, entertainment, any field really, that some people are just way more popular with the public than some others and while it is perfectly normal, some other people just hold the grudge. Yes, stars cast shadows, and superstars cast longer shadows. That's life. You just have to live with it.
What Yuzuru did to FS was nothing else than what Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic did (and still do) to male tennis, what Williams sisters did to female tennis, what Messi and Ronaldo did to football/soccer, and so on, and so forth. He's been a superstar with a fanbase way, way bigger than any other fanbase within the sport or what they call "the sport as such". So what?
A true fan of the sport would be happy about that, but no, not here.
Recently Serena Williams just made an - unsuccessful - comeback to Wimbledon, no one hurried her back, everyone loved it, an opportunity to see the legend. It didn't really matter to them that much if she was winning or losing, they just wanted to see HER. A cult, right? The player who finally won making her leave the tournament, straight away apologized to the public (half jokingly, oc) knowing she just cut short their pleasure of watching Serena play again. She was oc applauded. Now, that's how you treat legends of the sport you love!
If you are a fan, let's say of FC Barcelona, and you just follow FC Barcelona, no one tells you that you are not a fan of the sport but just of the single club, and that's bad. No, that's perfectly normal, everyone knows it. Same with any other sport. Some people follow it as such, some others just follow their compatriots when representing their country, still others just have a favourite team or an athlete and follow them and them only. Again, I never came across any sport community where people would be so judgmental about it and make demands on other fans as to whom and how they should follow,
So, yes, whenever I hear this sort of complaint, I usually ignore it knowing it comes from a fan of an "outshadowed" skater ot two, who would not really mind all this attention if it was addressing someone else...
 
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As for the cave men, I understand FS was born when the first caveman gliding gracefully on a frozen lake suddenly jumped into the air, rotated there and landed without falling, and shouted to his friends: "Can you beat that?"
"Oh, yes" - said the guy from the second cave on the left. But instead of trying to glide faster, jump higher and rotate more times, he started to spin around like crazy.
Then a resident of yet different cave crossed the lake on one leg adding a little hop and a little turn here and there. "But can you beat THAT?" he exclaimed proudly.
I realize this is a joke.

But the fact that it doesn't include anything like a caveman showing off how he could draw perfect circles on the ice is very telling about what the understanding of how figure skating (as distinguished from distance/racing skating or just gliding around for fun) really was born historically or a significant aspect of what it still values.


You do agree that a spectator sport needs spectators, surely?
Sure. But I'm not sure that the ISU sees or necessarily should see its primary mission as producing an entertainment product for audiences or earning big profits for the organizers and if possible for actual skaters.

I think the mission is more, to organize competitions so that skaters can compare themselves to each other in meaningful ways on all aspects that the sport has come to value (blade-to-ice technical, athletic, and artistic all at once), including determining the best in the world, at least on the given occasion when the world championships (or Olympics) are held that year. But also at various levels of competition that may lead to skaters ultimately advancing to those elite global events, but other participants may never advance beyond.

I don't know that the ISU defines skating first of all as a spectator sport. I think it's more interested in skating as a participant sport.

It so happens that the athletic and artistic aspects can be very entertaining for audiences especially when performed by some of the best in the world. And that allows for bringing in income from broadcast/streaming rights and competition ticket sales that less audience-friendly sports with similar levels of global participation might envy.

As a result it can use that income to support not only the elite competitions and competitors, but also to support developmental programs like junior internationals and seminars for newer national federations, etc., that are of little direct interest to general audiences but help to broaden the base and the quality of future potential elites as well providing value to all those participants who will never reach elite levels.

(The most popular stars can earn lots of money from outside sources such as tours/shows/TV specials/endorsements, etc., not coming from the ISU itself, and it is in the ISU's interest to allow that in order to keep those stars competing in ISU events. But aside from loosening the restrictions maintaining strict amateurism to remain eligible for top-level competition, those sources of income for skaters are not directly depending on anything "the sport" does. It just now allows what used to be forbidden not so long ago.)

But who would you invite to these and would they bring an audience if the current competitions aren't doing it (oh, and who's going to pay for it?) Wasn't there a privately run competition for artistic skaters in the last few years, and how well did it do?
You mean Peggy Fleming Trophy? Or something else with a similar mission?

That was never intended to be marketed to wide audiences in order to make a profit. But it did provide a model for how an artistic competition might be structured with what kind of rules.

Could such a competition format be built up to a worldwide elite level that could be marketed to mass audiences? In theory yes, but either the ISU would need to sponsor such competitions or a competition circuit themselves or someone else would need to organize it with an agreement from the ISU to permit competitors to participate without losing ISU eligibility.

Other similar events included pro competitions that the ISU considered competition for their own events and caused participants to lose eligibility, and pro-ams sanctioned by the ISU in the 1990s/turn of the century, and similar-format events inviting a few retired stars to compete against current stars, often with a regulation short program followed by an artistic program.

Any of these could serve as templates for developing a new discipline. As well as the Solo Dance discipline which is going strong domestically in the US and elsewhere and reportedly is in the works as an international ISU-sponsored discipline.

Whatever the format, one question is whether it/they would best be developed from the bottom up or top down.

Bottom up: Local clubs (like the Peggy Fleming Trophy at Broadmoor) develop competition formats, several clubs offer competitions using similar or identical rules, a circuit develops among the various clubs for competitions in these disciplines at multiple skill levels, the national federation starts sponsoring a national-level circuit, different federations who each have programs within the same/similar disciplines join together to offer the participants to compete against others from other countries, and eventually the ISU decides to adopt this discipline and offer an international series of competitions and/or to start with a world championship (and continental and junior world championships?) in this discipline.

Top down: The ISU decides to institute a new discipline and starts at the top by inviting current and recent international medalists from standard disciplines to compete in the equivalent of a made-for-TV spectator-friendly event. This proves sufficiently popular with the skaters and with audiences that they decide to offer multiple such competitions per year and/or to offer a larger worldwide event in this discipline once a year that all federations can send participants to. Then as it grows even more popular and there are too many would-be participants for a single world event, they introduce continental championships or qualifying events at an international level, and federations who have many who would like to represent their countries at this event need to develop national championships and domestic qualifying events in this discipline.

I can see it happening either way. But at this point this idea is just my personal pipe dream, aside from solo dance which the ISU has already made a statement about.


(Oh, and let us not forget that while stars and champions are Very Important, so are the rest of them, because you cannot be a star and champion without someone to compete against, most of whom will never be. So keeping lots of them excited and encouraged and trying their best is rather important too.)
Very true.

And fans who love skating enjoy watching the up-and-comers and the less-successful journeyman veterans, etc. Which can excite and encourage the lower-level skaters and also-rans who earn applause and more from those fans.

But casual viewers may only tune in only for the Olympics and maybe Olympic qualifiers, or will watch something like a GP event or national championship on TV if it's convenient, or bring up an online video of a specific viral performance. But they don't become serious figure skating fans, just willing viewers when there's something specific that's exciting or convenient to watch.

How could the ISU turn more of those casual viewers into actual figure skating fans? And do they need to change the sport to put more emphasis only on those aspects that unknowledgeable viewers can understand, or are there ways to make the knowledge base more accessible to interested potential fans?
 
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