ISU releases official agenda with proposals for 2024: age limits, jump limits and more

[lariko]

Yours is your personal preference. It seems you only enjoy jumps.

Other fans enjoy programs that include a variety of different skills including jumps, spins, steps, field moves, etc. Some are especially interested in the blade-to-ice technical skills, others especially in the ability of skaters to perform to audiences and interpret music while performing all sorts of difficult technical skills both on the ice and in the air.

Not everyone agrees on what is the "fun part" to watch or what is the most entertaining.

All these moves have historically been part of singles free skating as a discipline.

The rules need to balance respect for the technical basis of the sport and the pride of the participants in mastering a wide variety of technical skills, and also try to maintain audience friendliness to please fans who are most interested in jumps, those who are most interested in skating skills, those who are most interested in performance qualities, and those who are most interested in how all those different kinds of technical and performance skills interact with each other.

Catering to one subset of fans who enjoy only one kind of skill and devaluing all the other kinds of skills that other fans enjoy more is not the way to maintain or build wide audiences.

Yes, but what are these change if not catering to the other part of the fanbase, the ones who enjoy the technical aspect of the glide? Everyone will always lobby for what they like to see. All I want is for them is not to mess with my enjoyment and leave it as is. I also have another really good, easy solution for all their problems too.

 

[4everchan]

Removing jumping pass results in seeing less jumping passes.

There are enough jumps. The result is seeing more choreography.

Look, I am all in favor of single ice dance and whatever they want to do with synchros is their business, but why are they taking the fun part?

Fun part is a good program with jumps spins steps and choreo.

At least allow longer combos to let people like me who like jumps to see more jumps or do more jumping tournaments or even insert a 3rd program, jumping program.

Meh

Less jumps, less entertainment --> major impact as a spectator sport.

You're only one kind of fan.

To win, Malinin will have to fight to allow 4A to be included into SP. And they wont even allow women jump 3A, so they won't let him jump 4A.

Already allowed. He opted not to include it

Where he could have picked points, it's if they stopped limiting cascades to just one pass. If all 3 combos could be turned into cascades, or one cascade could be increased to up to 5 jumps, well, now we are talking. And it would be by far more fun to watch than skaters going in circles.

Ilia could do 4t eu 4s + 3t which would now be allowed..


Also, why the focus on Ilia? This is not about him. He is only one skater, active for a few years...

 

[lariko]

There are enough jumps. The result is seeing more choreography.

no, there are not enough jumps, and there will be even less.

 

[lariko]

Already allowed. He opted not to include it

No, he is not allowed to jump 4A in SP, he has to jump 3A

 

[4everchan]

If the ISU wanted to penalize quadsters, they'd bring back figures and remove the LP

 

[4everchan]

no, there are not enough jumps, and there will be even less.

I'd be fine with more jumps if they didn't take 20 seconds of crossovers to set up

 

[lariko]

Also, why the focus on Ilia? This is not about him. He is only one skater, active for a few years...

Because the rules that make it easier for him to win, means we'll see more skaters skating like him. The rules that make it harder for him to win, will make more skaters that skate like current junior men which is pretty thin on jumping.

 

[4everchan]

No, he is not allowed to jump 4A in SP, he has to jump 3A

He can do. 4a as a solo jump.

 

[lariko]

If the ISU wanted to penalize quadsters, they'd bring back figures and remove the LP

Might as well remove the sport.

 

[lariko]

He can do. 4a as a solo jump.

No he can't, it has to be 3A or 2A.

 

[4everchan]

No he can't, it has to be 3A or 2A.

There is an Axel requirement. Yes. But he can include the 4a as the solo jump

 

[gkelly]

Because the rules that make it easier for him to win, means we'll see more skaters skating like him. The rules that make it harder for him to win, will make more skaters that skate like current junior men which is pretty thin on jumping.

Fewer jump passes may well lead to more difficult combinations, such as quad-quad combinations from the very best jumpers.

The quad jumpers are not going to stop doing quads, nor will skaters who can land 4, 5, or 6 successful quads in a free skate start losing to skaters who can't land any.

But, as was the case with triples 30-40-50 years ago, skaters who can do some difficult quads with good quality and also other difficult and high-quality on-ice skills will have an advantage over skaters who do one or two more successful quads but everything else of mediocre quality and difficulty.

 

[lariko]

There is an Axel requirement. Yes. But he can include the 4a as the solo jump

He still has to jump 3A instead of maximizing his advantage and jumping 4A

 

[lariko]

Fewer jump passes may well lead to more difficult combinations, such as quad-quad combinations from the very best jumpers.

The quad jumpers are not going to stop doing quads, nor will skaters who can land 4, 5, or 6 successful quads in a free skate start losing to skaters who can't land any.

But, as was the case with triples 30-40-50 years ago, skaters who can do some difficult quads with good quality and also other difficult and high-quality on-ice skills will have an advantage over skaters who do one or two more successful quads but everything else of mediocre quality and difficulty.

Did Shaidorov win over Brown? Like, lol, he would have totally closed 40 points difference there if he'd just landed the 4Lz? Riiiight.

And we are still losing the whole jumping pass per each skater, so that's far, far less total jumps to be seen in each and every competition. But we'll get more...choreography?

 

[Mathman]

I don't think this is the future.

Because fewer people will watch the "X" Games....

I'm behind the times again. I thought that this sort of thing was still popular. I tried to Google "Are the X Games still popular with audiences?" and was directed to Wikipedia, which said: "This article contains conrtent that is written like an advertisement (for ESPN). Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate externa; links...."

Anyway, the best fit for figure skating might be to team up with the Olympic sport of breakdancing. Just think how fast someone could spin on the back of his neck on a sheet of frictionless ice! It would be a big hit with fans who were teenagers in the 1980s.

 

[4everchan]

He still has to jump 3A instead of maximizing his advantage and jumping 4A

Oh come on... If he doesn't even do the quad Axel when he is allowed to, do you really think he would risk it?

 

[lariko]

Oh come on... If he doesn't even do the quad Axel when he is allowed to, do you really think he would risk it?

Replacing 3A with 4A is by far bigger reward for the risk than replacing another quad with a 4A because 4A has a ridiculously low BV. If he replaces 3A, he is immediately ahead of everyone else who can't do it and has to do 3A.

 

[Mathman]

And we are still losing the whole jumping pass per each skater, so that's far, far less total jumps to be seen in each and every competition.

I think that this viewpoint is exactly what many posters are grousing about. Is it really the definitive goal of each and every figure skating composition to present as many total jumps as possible?

 

[AxelLover]

I wish the proposed changes motivated skaters to do combinations like 4T+3T+3Lo again (Plushenko used to jump this back in the day). These satisfying combinations stopped being worth the risk in 2004 with the introduction of IJS. I want to see three multirotational jumps in a rapid succession, not X+1Eu+3S (or, even worse, X+2A+2A SEQ).

Sorry for getting a little off-topic.

 

[lariko]

I think that this viewpoint is exactly what many posters are grousing about. Is it really the definitive goal of each and every figure skating composition to present as many total jumps as possible?

Yes, of course. Spins are nice too.