KSU Suspends Hae-in Lee and Young You

[moonvine]

The russian media wrote that one of the senior ladies raped that 17 old boy and another filmed it. My brain cant/want believe it.

Oh dear Goddess I hope not.

 

[Joekaz]

you know... i could give you a handful of reasons why a teenage boy doesn't want to do it with a woman any age.
not everyone is a horny teenage boy.

some boys have religious beliefs
some boys are not straight or unsure
some boys want sex to be a special thing, not something that happens out of drinking or whatever
some boys want to do it within a relationship or choose the right time
some boys just don't feel ready
some boys are deeply interested in someone else and are not into the woman offering...

Seriously, the simple fact that this boy didn't feel it was right should be enough.

What I see here is that some men have this exact fantasy, being dominated by a woman... well, in real life, it doesn't always happen like this.

SIGH

I understand all the points you made and agree with them. That's why I said most, not all. I hope you do realize that most males are attracted to females, which has nothing to do with being dominated. Maybe that's not true in the skating community, but Im talking about the perception of the public.

 

[4everchan]

I understand all the points you made and agree with them. That's why I said most, not all. I hope you do realize that most males are attracted to females, which has nothing to do with being dominated. Maybe that's not true in the skating community, but Im talking about the perception of the public.

When it comes to something like this, it doesn't matter what most men would do or not... what matters is that this one kid didn't want it. ( I also gave other examples where a man attracted to a woman would still not want to have sex in such circumstances.)

 

[Joekaz]

When it comes to something like this, it doesn't matter what most men would do or not... what matters is that this one kid didn't want it. ( I also gave other examples where a man attracted to a woman would still not want to have sex in such circumstances.)

I agree, if all the facts are as presented now.

 

[soccerjc77]

I just want to understand the situation. Who are the 2 members suspends ?
And, does it mean that Haein Lee and Young You would be remove of the Grand prix series ?

 

[Amei]

I just want to understand the situation. Who are the 2 members suspends ?
And, does it mean that Haein Lee and Young You would be remove of the Grand prix series ?

Officially the 2 athletes have not been named, but if they have grand prix assignments they would be WD

 

[lariko]

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post, but the problem is not necessarily the age range of people at the camp but the fact that someone was sexually assaulted. The age gap is its own separate thing, but this isn't about relationships or dating. It is about an adult sexually assaulting someone. Yes, there are conversations to be had about the responsibility of the staff and coaches to care for their athletes (hence the suspension of the camp training leader), but the issue here is not about a minor and an adult entering a relationship. It is about an adult sexually assaulting a minor, ie doing actions to them without consent. And I've seen others say "they're young and it was just a mistake". I've made many a mistake in my life, but sexually assaulting someone is not a "mistake". Sexually assaulting someone while drunk is not an "accident". And this is not just an "incident". This could be a crime. This could permanently affect the victim.

If criminal actions took place, I hope the perpetrators will be persecuted under the law. That's a long and complicated process. For now, the athlets involved were appropriately and immideately suspended, which I hope to become a norm in such situations.

 

[Amei]

If criminal actions took place, I hope the perpetrators will be persecuted under the law. That's a long and complicated process. For now, the athlets involved were appropriately and immideately suspended, which I hope to become a norm in such situations.

I think its important to note an investigation was done here before the suspensions were announced, the KSU didn't just get a report of an incident from the victim and suspend the accused athletes.

 

[SmileHappy34]

Here's another article on the situation: https://m.sports.naver.com/general/article/001/0014762452


Because this was an ongoing investigation before (without the sexual assault/harassment being known to the public at that pint), so we knew that two adult female figure skaters had been provisionally suspended, with one junior male skater having been involved in the situation. https://m.news.nate.com/view/20240610n33983

The training camp was only open to skaters on the actual National team (Notable: Not all skaters representing Korea internationally are part of the National team - Lim/Quan were not for a long time for example). From the get-go, that already hugely limits the athletes who could have been involved, as there are only three adult female skaters on the National team (Young You, Haein Lee and Seoyeong Wi, who wasn't at the training camp apparently).
KBS (the national broadcaster of South Korea) included blurred videos of Haein and Young in their reporting on the situation as well

I still think it sad
I don't have access to Korean news nor do I have a translator o my phone. The information I can pull off is very little.

As far as click bait for me to little information to make a judgement call .

 

[Rebecca Moose]

Good heavens. Another day, another Generation Z scandal.

 

[jorge2912]

Was reading recently the news ,a Big scandal but well the Korean federation acted unbiased and is good that in sports justice. just wait the results of the investigation but the most probably is that women team won't be affected

Allegedly, Skater A contacted skater C to come to her dormitory, where the assault occurred by Skater A and a sexually explicit photo was taken of Skater A by Skater B and showed it to Skater C.

If the translation is right , sound not like the common case that skater C (man) assaulted to skater A (woman) but well is very possible ( read twice the news translation because isn't the common case)

 

[CoyoteChris]

Hugs to all our Korean friends and the wonderful Korean fans at events who have been so kind to me. And help me understand their culture and history. Some amazing PBS specials out there. I am on a bike trip through Wyoming and learned a lot at the Korea exhibit at the National military vehicle museum in Dubois WY. Hugs to you all.

 

[Mathman]

Good heavens. Another day, another Generation Z scandal.

Let's give generation Z a chance. In ten years they'll be shaking their heads in dismay at the Alphas.

 

[Daniel1998]

[단독] '3년 자격정지' 피겨 이해인, 첫 인터뷰..."성추행범? 연인이었다"

m.sports.naver.com

Haein Lee gave an interview with a reporter of a reputable news organization YTN.

My Korean is not perfect so please take the below with a grain of salt, but here is a summary of the article, along with some quotes from her. (Please feel free to take down if not appropriate/breaking rules):

Haein Lee is reflecting on having drunk during a national training camp and apologizes to her fans and family for letting them down.

Haein: "Drinking during a national training camp is unequivocally my fault, and I want to sincerely apologize and say I am very sorry."

The reporter notes Haein denies accusations of sexual assault. Haein says she and the male junior skater involved were dating at the time of the incident (and started dating when they were both minors).

"Seeing reports call the actions between two people in a relationship those of sexual assault was hurtful and difficult for me to read. I want to make it clear these claims are false and there were no actions constituting sexual assault or harassment."

"I was really looking forward to trying to qualify for Milan 2026 but now it seems I cannot attempt to do so. It feels like the world around me is crumbling and I feel sad and despondent."

Haein plans to appeal the sexual assault allegations.

Haein's lawyer: "the actions being investigated are merely light contact (TN: the word being used for 'contact' in korean is 'skinship', basically means any sort of bodily contact between lovers, like holding hands, kissing, or anything like that) between two people in a relationship. We will prove this during the appeal process while seeking adequate resolution regarding Haein's drinking at the training camp."

 

[rabidline]

Haein Lee posted her apology and explanation on her Instagram.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

 

[nomi darling]

(i never take part in pointless arguments, you know, but for Christ sake!)

Right??! Jesus...

 

[Magill]

Haein Lee posted her apology and explanation on her Instagram.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

It.s black. At least for me, trying to watch from Europe. Can you please let us know what it says?

 

[rabidline]

It.s black. At least for me, trying to watch from Europe. Can you please let us know what it says?

안녕하세요 이해인입니다

정말 죄송합니다 저에게 실망하셨을 많은 팬분들께 어떤 말씀을 드려야 할지 막막하기만 합니다

국가대표로서 후배 선수들에게 더 좋은 모습을 보이고 전지훈련에 참가하지 못한 다른 선수들 몫까지 성실하게 훈련에만 매진했어야 했는데, 짧은 생각에 큰 잘못을 저질렀습니다

제가 술을 마신 것은 지금 생각해봐도 절대 해서는 안되는 행동이었고, 계속해서 깊이 반성하고 있습니다

그때 이후로 제가 왜 그런 잘못을 저질렀는지 매일 같이 후회하고 있습니다

하지만 기사에는 제가 미성년자를 성추행했다거나 성적가해를 했다고 되어 있는데, 이 부분은 사실이 아닙니다

작년 제가 고등학생일 때 사겼던 남자친구였고, 부모님의 반대로 헤어졌다가 이번 전지훈련에서 다시 만나게 되었던 아이였습니다

서로를 좋아했던 감정이 남아 있었기 때문인지 그곳에서 다시 사귀게 되었는데, 부모님께 알리고 싶지 않은 마음에 그 사실을 비밀로 하기로 했습니다

이번 빙상연맹에서 조사를 받을 때에도 사실 그 친구와 사귀는 사이였다는 말을 할 수 없었는데, 이렇게 제가 미성년자를 성추행했다는 이야기를 들으니 세상이 무너지는 것 같았습니다

연인 사이에 할 수 있는 장난이나 애정표현이라 생각했었는데, 아무리 우리가 사귀는 사이라는 것을 밝히지 못했다고 해도 이런 오해까지 받게 될 것이라고는 상상도 하지 못했습니다

어렸을 때부터 과분한 기대와 사랑을 받았는데 이렇게 부족한 모습을 보여드려서 정말 죄송합니다

대한체육회에서 어떤 징계가 내려지든 깊이 반성하고 앞으로는 절대 이런 잘못을 저지르지 않도록 노력하겠습니다

이해인 올림

 

[Magill]

안녕하세요 이해인입니다

정말 죄송합니다 저에게 실망하셨을 많은 팬분들께 어떤 말씀을 드려야 할지 막막하기만 합니다

국가대표로서 후배 선수들에게 더 좋은 모습을 보이고 전지훈련에 참가하지 못한 다른 선수들 몫까지 성실하게 훈련에만 매진했어야 했는데, 짧은 생각에 큰 잘못을 저질렀습니다

제가 술을 마신 것은 지금 생각해봐도 절대 해서는 안되는 행동이었고, 계속해서 깊이 반성하고 있습니다

그때 이후로 제가 왜 그런 잘못을 저질렀는지 매일 같이 후회하고 있습니다

하지만 기사에는 제가 미성년자를 성추행했다거나 성적가해를 했다고 되어 있는데, 이 부분은 사실이 아닙니다

작년 제가 고등학생일 때 사겼던 남자친구였고, 부모님의 반대로 헤어졌다가 이번 전지훈련에서 다시 만나게 되었던 아이였습니다

서로를 좋아했던 감정이 남아 있었기 때문인지 그곳에서 다시 사귀게 되었는데, 부모님께 알리고 싶지 않은 마음에 그 사실을 비밀로 하기로 했습니다

이번 빙상연맹에서 조사를 받을 때에도 사실 그 친구와 사귀는 사이였다는 말을 할 수 없었는데, 이렇게 제가 미성년자를 성추행했다는 이야기를 들으니 세상이 무너지는 것 같았습니다

연인 사이에 할 수 있는 장난이나 애정표현이라 생각했었는데, 아무리 우리가 사귀는 사이라는 것을 밝히지 못했다고 해도 이런 오해까지 받게 될 것이라고는 상상도 하지 못했습니다

어렸을 때부터 과분한 기대와 사랑을 받았는데 이렇게 부족한 모습을 보여드려서 정말 죄송합니다

대한체육회에서 어떤 징계가 내려지든 깊이 반성하고 앞으로는 절대 이런 잘못을 저지르지 않도록 노력하겠습니다

이해인 올림

Thank you!

 

[Mathman]

[단독] '3년 자격정지' 피겨 이해인, 첫 인터뷰..."성추행범? 연인이었다"

m.sports.naver.com

Haein Lee gave an interview with a reporter of a reputable news organization YTN.

My Korean is not perfect so please take the below with a grain of salt, but here is a summary of the article, along with some quotes from her. (Please feel free to take down if not appropriate/breaking rules):

Haein Lee is reflecting on having drunk during a national training camp and apologizes to her fans and family for letting them down.

Haein: "Drinking during a national training camp is unequivocally my fault, and I want to sincerely apologize and say I am very sorry."

The reporter notes Haein denies accusations of sexual assault. Haein says she and the male junior skater involved were dating at the time of the incident (and started dating when they were both minors).

"Seeing reports call the actions between two people in a relationship those of sexual assault was hurtful and difficult for me to read. I want to make it clear these claims are false and there were no actions constituting sexual assault or harassment."

"I was really looking forward to trying to qualify for Milan 2026 but now it seems I cannot attempt to do so. It feels like the world around me is crumbling and I feel sad and despondent."

Haein plans to appeal the sexual assault allegations.

Haein's lawyer: "the actions being investigated are merely light contact (TN: the word being used for 'contact' in korean is 'skinship', basically means any sort of bodily contact between lovers, like holding hands, kissing, or anything like that) between two people in a relationship. We will prove this during the appeal process while seeking adequate resolution regarding Haein's drinking at the training camp."

We may never get any more hard facts that we have now. But this version of events has a ring of truth, to me. Tthe original announcement reported in post #1 on this thread gives the impression that the offence of the two senior ladies lay in violating team rules about drinking, while the young man was reprimanded for enyering the ladies' dormitory. It seemed like the sexual assault and harassment part was adjoined later, perhaps after further inquiry and possibly legal consultations.