2025 Worlds: Info and pre-game chat

[norwegianfairytale]

Hang on. So, are you saying that it doesn't actually matter any more what you get in each segment?

That's not right. By all means have a combined minimum as a get out of jail free card for those that get a massive TES in one segment and a really small TES in the other. But it should still be done primarily by the TES in each segment. So that they know where exactly they need to improve.

Well. it´s the total combined that counts. But bear in mind that the total of those TES scores overall increased by 5 points for women. In theory it has become more difficult, but as far as I recall more people have gained from this then lost the minimums.

I can really see both sides here. I think the problem is the old minimums favored those who had a triple triple, and not the variety of jumps one can do. Because without a triple triple it was almost impossible to get 32 in TES in SP and you needed to be absolute clean. I think Josefin was a very rare case that was able to achieve it without a triple triple, because of great GOE on every elements and level 4 on other elements. Still - only 2 or 3 times in her career she was able to pass the 32 in TES, all though she had several pretty clean skates in the SP. The new rules gives the skater a better chance to build on their strong sides. With the total combined score, it´s not so much pressure going clean in SP and gives them room to make some little mistakes if they still have a lot of other strong elements.

It was actually Skating Scores that I was looking at. And that was why I was getting so confused, because in the SP column it was saying that Anna-Flora needed 52.82, and in the FS column it said she needed 66.93. And I was thinking "who on Earth scores 50-something TES in the SP?!"

And then I checked for Marilena, and it said she needed 46.39 in the SP, and 62.97 in the FS. Which is when I realised that the numbers I was looking at were not the actual TES minimum, but were what the skater needed to improve their TES by just to get to the minimum.

I know the ISU has been increasing minimums because of what the top skaters have been scoring, and that it was getting more and more difficult for lower ranked skaters to meet them. But these numbers that Skating Scores were quoting seemed far too unrealistic for even the ISU to ask for. Which is why I decided to ask here.

Methinks that Skating Scores needs to re-design their TES tables. Because if I am getting well and truly confused by them, then I am sure other visitors that used the site under the previous system are too.

CaroLiza_fan

I think SkatingScores TES tablets makes more sense if you look at skaters that only miss a few points, like Josefin. I totally understand that it could be confusing with a skater that is very far away and suggest they need a TES that is impossible to reach and seems unrealistic. You just need to think that it tells you the difference between the TES reached in the one segment. I´m sure you can get used to it, I find it very useful when I watch competitions which skaters that are not far from reaching it, and I do not have to do the math myself. Of course it´s more confusing when there is a total score.

 

[FlossieH]

@CaroLiza_fan - for British and Irish skaters, I have listed near the start of the British and Irish thread for this year which skaters have the CTES for each event. There is one post for each discipline for GBR, and then one covering everything for IRL (where no-one other than Soucisse and Firus has the minimums for anything).

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Thank you for your replies, @norwegianfairytale and @FlossieH.

I think SkatingScores TES tablets makes more sense if you look at skaters that only miss a few points, like Josefin. I totally understand that it could be confusing with a skater that is very far away and suggest they need a TES that is impossible to reach and seems unrealistic. You just need to think that it tells you the difference between the TES reached in the one segment. I´m sure you can get used to it, I find it very useful when I watch competitions which skaters that are not far from reaching it, and I do not have to do the math myself. Of course it´s more confusing when there is a total score.

Looking at the Skating Scores pages for the two skaters again, I decided to add the numbers in the SP column together, and then do the same for the FS column. (I didn't at the time because you can't copy and paste from Skating Scores, and I couldn't be bothered typing the numbers out as I was writing my post during a resurfacing, and so had a limited time to complete it in).

I had to very slightly tweak the layout of the tables to suit Excel and XenForo, but apart from that the only difference is that I have added a Total column, and a Total row.

Anna-Flora Colmor JEPSEN (DEN)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Total​	​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​	1st	​
Best	2025 Bavarian Open	23.07​	2025 Bavarian Open	37.18​	60.25​	Best	60.25​
Needs		52.82​		66.93​	119.75​	Off By	29.75​
Total		75.89​		104.11​	180.00​	Total	90.00​

Marilena KITROMILIS (CYP)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Total​	​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​	1st	​
Best	2024 Denkova-Staviski Cup	27.03​	2024 EDU Sport Trophy	43.61​	70.64​	Best	70.64​
Needs		46.39​		62.97​	109.36​	Off By	19.36​
Total		73.42​		106.58​	180.00​	Total	90.00​

And here is the example you gave:

Josefin TALJEGÅRD (SWE)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Total​	​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​	1st	​
Best	2023 Tallinn Trophy	33.62​	2023 Tallinn Trophy	54.14​	87.76​	Best	87.76​
Needs		35.86​		56.38​	92.24​	Off By	2.24​
Total		69.48​		110.52​	180.00​	Total	90.00​

Now do you see why I am confused by the "Needs" cells? The "Total" numbers that you get don't make any sense! Why does everything add up to 180 when 90 is the Minimum?!

@CaroLiza_fan - for British and Irish skaters, I have listed near the start of the British and Irish thread for this year which skaters have the CTES for each event. There is one post for each discipline for GBR, and then one covering everything for IRL (where no-one other than Soucisse and Firus has the minimums for anything).

Thank you for keeping those posts up to date. They are very clear.

Can't say I'm surprised with the situation with the Irish skaters.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Now do you see why I am confused by the "Needs" cells? The "Total" numbers that you get don't make any sense! Why does everything add up to 180 when 90 is the Minimum?!

Well, Skatingscores doesn´t have this cells where it´s says you need to have the total of 180 as an example. If you add them like that I understand that is confusing for you. It only says what you would need in each segment to get the total minimums (90 for women) compared to what you have achieved so far. And frankly - that it´s the right way to do it. The minimums could be achieved in different competitions and in different segments, the two best TES from each segment counts. But if someone feels like they want to achieve the minimums by achieving most of their TES in one segment - I don´t think there is a rule that says that you can´t do that. But for most skaters that is not realistic. Except Malinin - the total min TES for men at Worlds is 104, and at Worlds 2024 his TES in the FS alone was 137.18 So he would be a skater that could just drop the SP and use the FS to get the TES

Edit: I´m not sure how you made this cells? It looks like everything got dropped a row from first and best.

 

[FlossieH]

Thank you for your replies, @norwegianfairytale and @FlossieH.



Looking at the Skating Scores pages for the two skaters again, I decided to add the numbers in the SP column together, and then do the same for the FS column. (I didn't at the time because you can't copy and paste from Skating Scores, and I couldn't be bothered typing the numbers out as I was writing my post during a resurfacing, and so had a limited time to complete it in).

I had to very slightly tweak the layout of the tables to suit Excel and XenForo, but apart from that the only difference is that I have added a Total column, and a Total row.

Anna-Flora Colmor JEPSEN (DEN)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Total​	​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​	1st	​
Best	2025 Bavarian Open	23.07​	2025 Bavarian Open	37.18​	60.25​	Best	60.25​
Needs		52.82​		66.93​	119.75​	Off By	29.75​
Total		75.89​		104.11​	180.00​	Total	90.00​

Marilena KITROMILIS (CYP)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Total​	​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​	1st	​
Best	2024 Denkova-Staviski Cup	27.03​	2024 EDU Sport Trophy	43.61​	70.64​	Best	70.64​
Needs		46.39​		62.97​	109.36​	Off By	19.36​
Total		73.42​		106.58​	180.00​	Total	90.00​

And here is the example you gave:

Josefin TALJEGÅRD (SWE)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Total​	​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​	1st	​
Best	2023 Tallinn Trophy	33.62​	2023 Tallinn Trophy	54.14​	87.76​	Best	87.76​
Needs		35.86​		56.38​	92.24​	Off By	2.24​
Total		69.48​		110.52​	180.00​	Total	90.00​

Now do you see why I am confused by the "Needs" cells? The "Total" numbers that you get don't make any sense! Why does everything add up to 180 when 90 is the Minimum?!



Thank you for keeping those posts up to date. They are very clear.

Can't say I'm surprised with the situation with the Irish skaters.

CaroLiza_fan

The 'needs' cells are what the skater would need for that programme to reach the CTES. In the cased of Josefin Taljegard, she is 2.24 points short. Her current SP TES is 33.62. She can achieve the overall CTES in her next SP if she receives 2.24 points more than her current SP TES. 33.62 + 2.24 = 35.86, so a technical elements score of 35.86 in her next SP gets her the combined minimum for Worlds. The 'needs' is what needs to be scored on that programme alone to reach the TES once the current score for the other programme is included.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Well, Skatingscores doesn´t have this cells where it´s says you need to have the total of 180 as an example. If you add them like that I understand that is confusing for you. It only says what you would need in each segment to get the total minimums (90 for women) compared to what you have achieved so far. And frankly - that it´s the right way to do it. The minimums could be achieved in different competitions and in different segments, the two best TES from each segment counts. But if someone feels like they want to achieve the minimums by achieving most of their TES in one segment - I don´t think there is a rule that says that you can´t do that. But for most skaters that is not realistic. Except Malinin - the total min TES for men at Worlds is 104, and at Worlds 2024 his TES in the FS alone was 137.18 So he would be a skater that could just drop the SP and use the FS to get the TES

Ah. I see now. The number in the "Needs" cell is what you get when you add the number in the "Off By" cell to the TES that they have for that segment.

When I originally looked at Anna-Flora's table, I thought the "Needs" number was the Minimum for that segment. And then when I looked at Marilena's table and saw that the numbers were different, I thought that was what they needed to get to reach the Minimum for that segment.

And when I actually got round to adding the numbers this morning, I was totally flummoxed!

With the way the table is laid out, I would never have worked out that the "Needs" number was the "Off By" number added to their TES for that segment.

It would be much clearer as to what is going on if the "Needs" cells were completely done away with in the segment columns, and that row only had a number in the final column.

So applying this to the examples I used above:

Anna-Flora Colmor JEPSEN (DEN)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Combi​
1st		​	​
Best	2025 Bavarian Open	23.07​	2025 Bavarian Open	37.18​	60.25​
Needs		​		​	29.75​
Minimum		​		​	90.00​

Marilena KITROMILIS (CYP)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​
Best	2024 Denkova-Staviski Cup	27.03​	2024 EDU Sport Trophy	43.61​	70.64​
Needs		​		​	19.36​
Minimum		​		​	90.00​

And here is the example you gave:

Josefin TALJEGÅRD (SWE)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​
Best	2023 Tallinn Trophy	33.62​	2023 Tallinn Trophy	54.14​	87.76​
Needs		​		​	2.24​
Minimum		​		​	90.00​

Right, I'm just going to have to keep my brain in gear and remember to ignore those "Needs" numbers in the segment columns.

Thank you for spelling everything out to me.



CaroLiza_fan

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Ah. I see now. The number in the "Needs" cell is what you get when you add the number in the "Off By" cell to the TES that they have for that segment.

When I originally looked at Anna-Flora's table, I thought the "Needs" number was the Minimum for that segment. And then when I looked at Marilena's table and saw that the numbers were different, I thought that was what they needed to get to reach the Minimum for that segment.

And when I actually got round to adding the numbers this morning, I was totally flummoxed!

With the way the table is laid out, I would never have worked out that the "Needs" number was the "Off By" number added to their TES for that segment.

It would be much clearer as to what is going on if the "Needs" cells were completely done away with in the segment columns, and that row only had a number in the final column.

So applying this to the examples I used above:

Anna-Flora Colmor JEPSEN (DEN)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Combi​
1st		​	​
Best	2025 Bavarian Open	23.07​	2025 Bavarian Open	37.18​	60.25​
Needs		​		​	29.75​
Minimum		​		​	90.00​

Marilena KITROMILIS (CYP)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​
Best	2024 Denkova-Staviski Cup	27.03​	2024 EDU Sport Trophy	43.61​	70.64​
Needs		​		​	19.36​
Minimum		​		​	90.00​

And here is the example you gave:

Josefin TALJEGÅRD (SWE)​	SP Competition​	SP TES​	FS Competition​	FS TES​	Combi​
1st		​		​	​
Best	2023 Tallinn Trophy	33.62​	2023 Tallinn Trophy	54.14​	87.76​
Needs		​		​	2.24​
Minimum		​		​	90.00​

Right, I'm just going to have to keep my brain in gear and remember to ignore those "Needs" numbers in the segment columns.

Thank you for spelling everything out to me.



CaroLiza_fan

Yes, the "needs" numbers is what they are missing to achieve the minimums, so it´s the differences between best total scores and minimums! And the suggestion of what is missing in each segment is what number you have to look up for when you watch them skate each segment, because every segment they skate is a chance to get the needs they miss. And of course, if they improve their best score in one segment, the other segment suggestion of needs would change. If Josefin improves her SP TES with around 1 point, she would just need to improve her FS TES segment with one point instead of 2.24.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Edit: I´m not sure how you made this cells? It looks like everything got dropped a row from first and best.

Sorry, just spotted this.

Under the old system, the "1st" row contained the competitions where the skater first achieved the Minimum TES for that segment. Hence, the cells remained empty for skaters that had not reached the Minimum TES.

After they achieved the Minimums, the cells in the "Best" row got updated when they subsequently achieved better TES's. But the "1st" row stayed the same. Until the Minimums were next increased, of course.

Not sure exactly how the "1st" row works now that there are not Minimums for each segment. But, the principle is still the same.

You can see both rows in action in the European Championships box on Josefin's page.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Sorry, just spotted this.

Under the old system, the "1st" row contained the competitions where the skater first achieved the Minimum TES for that segment. Hence, the cells empty for skaters that had not reached the Minimum TES.

After they achieved the Minimums, the cells in the "Best" row got updated when they subsequently achieved better TES's. But the "1st" row stayed the same. Until the Minimums were next increased, of course.

Not sure exactly how the "1st" row works now that there are not Minimums for each segment. But, the principle is still the same.

You can see both rows in action in the European Championships box on Josefin's page.

CaroLiza_fan

Lol, you are right. This time it was me that couldn´t wrap my brain around it, obviously because for the most I have been looking at skaters who have the mins

 

[Jumping_Bean]

It would be much clearer as to what is going on if the "Needs" cells were completely done away with in the segment columns, and that row only had a number in the final column.

But the way it's set up currently makes it really easy to track who achieved minimums during ongoing competitions without having to calculate anything. You just have to compare the achieved TES in the ongoing segment with the corresponding "Needs" column, which takes only a few seconds, kind of like in the past you could just glance at the TES and see immediately if they were over the SP/FS TES minimum.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

But the way it's set up currently makes it really easy to track who achieved minimums during ongoing competitions without having to calculate anything. You just have to compare the achieved TES in the ongoing segment with the corresponding "Needs" column, which takes only a few seconds, kind of like in the past you could just glance at the TES and see immediately if they were over the SP/FS TES minimum.

Exactly this! Earlier it was pretty easy to know during competitions if you did remember the different mins in your head. If you were watching ladies SP you would know they needed 32 in SP for Worlds. If Skatingscores didn´t have this feature after the change, you would first probably have to either calculate the last competitions TES score to find out if they had reached the CTES (imagine looking up all the different competitions) or if you were clever enough to find the ISU page with their highest CTES (not easy to find if your not familiar with the page) you had to calculate to see what they were missing.

 

[FlossieH]

But the way it's set up currently makes it really easy to track who achieved minimums during ongoing competitions without having to calculate anything. You just have to compare the achieved TES in the ongoing segment with the corresponding "Needs" column, which takes only a few seconds, kind of like in the past you could just glance at the TES and see immediately if they were over the SP/FS TES minimum.

Yes, this is what I like about it.

 

[gsk8]

Team USA

Women
Amber Glenn
Isabeau Levito*
Alysa Liu

Alternate 1: Sarah Everhardt
Alternate 2: Bradie Tennell
Alternate 3: Starr Andrews

*Pending Return to Play Protocol

Ice Dance
Christina Carreira and Anthony Ponomarenko
Madison Chock and Evan Bates
Caroline Green and Michael Parsons

Alternate 1: Emilea Zingas and Vadym Kolesnik
Alternate 2: Emily Bratti and Ian Somerville
Alternate 3: Oona Brown and Gage Brown

Pairs
Alisa Efimova and Misha Mitrofanov
Ellie Kam and Danny O'Shea

Alternate 1: Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman*
Alternate 2: Emily Chan and Spencer Howe
Alternate 3: Audrey Shin and Balazs Nagy

*Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman have been assigned to Road to 26 Trophy (OWG Test Event) from February 19-20, 2025.

Men
Jason Brown*
Ilia Malinin
Andrew Torgashev

Alternate 1: Camden Pulkinen
Alternate 2: Maxim Naumov
Alternate 3: Jimmy Ma

*Pending Return to Play Protocol

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Mia Risa Gomez selected for Norway

Source: https://www.skoyteforbundet.no/kunstlop/nyheter/2025/uttak-vm-kunstlop/

 

[ramurphy2005]

Poor Lukas, he cut himself during practice and had to have stitches. Now, the wound got infected, and he had to have an operation for it. He's hoping that everything should be good for Worlds, but it's something to keep an eye on.

Lukas Britschgi on Instagram: "Hi guys, quick update for those who don’t know yet: Last week, I had an accident on the ice in which I cut myself and needed five stitches. Unfortunately, the wound got infected, so I had to undergo a small operation

3,419 likes, 241 comments - schluukas on February 16, 2025: "Hi guys, quick update for those who don’t know yet: Last week, I had an accident on the ice in which I cut myself and needed five stitches. Unfortunately, the wound got infected, so I had to undergo a small operation yesterday. I...

www.instagram.com

 

[ramurphy2005]

Team France: https://www.instagram.com/p/DGOMMglRC2d/?igsh=MWNqYTY2cHlweTUyZA==

Women: Lorine Schild
Men: Kevin Aymoz, Adam Siao Him Fa
Pairs: Camille Kovalev / Pavel Kovalev
Ice Dance: Loicia Demougeot / Theo le Mercier , Evgeniia Lopareva / Geoffrey Brissaud

 

[ivyxby]

Hello! I'm heading to Boston for the sessions over the weekend. I'm looking for a practice pass to watch the practices on Saturday morning. Please let me know if you have a practice pass and are willing to give it away for Saturday's practices. I'm happy to pay the compensation

 

[TT_Fin]

Team Finland:

ID: Orihara/Pirinen, Turkkila Versluis
Pairs Väänänen/Clerici
Women: Linnea Ceder, alternatives Janna Jyrkinen and Olivia Lisko.
None of the men got the minimums.

Others were quite clear and as expected, but the selection of women is based on two best scores counted together - there are rules also for the others, but there is no competition on those disciplines. Linnea got the minimums and the top placement just a day before the selections were made at Bellu Memorial in Bucharest.

Source:http://Skating Finland competition articles Choose "Taitoluistelun MM-joukkue on valittu".

 

[saine]

Roman Sadovsky officially has the Canadian Men entry.

Skate Canada / Patinage Canada on Instagram: "Hot off the press 📰 @roman_sadovsky has officially secured his spot at #WorldFigure next month in Boston! 👏 ________________ Mise à jour 📰 Roman Sadovsky a officiellement décroché sa place pour les M

136 likes, 1 comments - skate_canada on February 24, 2025: "Hot off the press 📰 @roman_sadovsky has officially secured his spot at #WorldFigure next month in Boston! 👏 ________________ Mise à jour 📰 Roman Sadovsky a officiellement décroché sa place pour les Mondiaux 2025 à Boston le mois...

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[ladyjane]

Not unexpected:

Daria Danilova/Michel Tsiba (pairs) en Chelsea Verhaegh/Sherim van Geffen (ID) will represent The Netherlands at Worlds. No women or men with minimums.
Source:

Nederlandse afvaardiging voor WK Kunstschaatsen in Boston bekend

<p data-block-key="i0luk">TeamNL is tijdens het WK Kunstschaatsen vertegenwoordigd op de onderdelen paren en ijsdansen. Dat heeft de KNSB dinsdag bekendgemaakt. Het WK wordt van 24 tot en met 30 maart gehouden in Boston.</p>

www.schaatsen.nl

(in Dutch)