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I don't think Boyang would ever come into the equation as an artist or technician.Ooo those were heady times! The Poohvalanche of stuffies were a sight to behold!
Yuzu, Boyang Jin and Nathan Chen changed men's skating a lot! There was also Shoma and Jason Brown and lots of exciting skaters.
None could jump as effortlessly as Ilia though! Yuzu hoped to be the first to land a Quad Axel but sadly didn't manage it. Ilia has and its changed the game quite a bit.
Yes, those errors were noticeable even o the relatlivelyuntrained eye but I am not sure Chock and Bates would or should win. They were more clumsy or heavy in their skating han the Canadians. I know the Canadians arguably shoudl be thrilled with the bronze and they are but really the gold probably should have gone to them as in both skates they seem underscored. Oh well it's over. i feel for Chock and Bates and how wonderful for the French who formed a new team not even a year ago and climbed to the top - okay to be fair the French federation did eerything they could to get them to gold including dumping their previous no. 1 team and investing in them despite both skaters being deemed scandalous by man. Chock and Bates should be thrilled they won silver and nothing to be ashamed about. But those glaring errors of the Fench and real this events reminds me ironically of another cheated situation when Katarina Witt won in 1988 in what really should have gone to liz Manley ironically another Canadian.I just caught another error from Guillaume upon replay in the rotational lift, his footwork gets really wild, so he actually made 3 noticeable errors. Their corrupt win becomes even more questionable with errors on twizzles, rotational lift, and serpentine step sequence, all from Cizeron. Had any other team committed all these errors, they would have been buried. This is 2014 Sotnikova level corruption! Shame on you, ISU!
Most of the comments are complaining about the result and judging. We’re not comparing C/B Paso Do le to past Pasos, but to a completely different style. That’s the challenge. If ice dance is moving away from traditional ballroom and toward the avant garde, then the more traditional Paso C/B went for may not score. That’s where the subjective element comes in. There are subjective things you can’t quantify. Some of those are opinion-based. Again, this event had some wonky judging overall it seems, judging by the comments. Read my last comment about the RD. They were essentially tied. While I’m sure the preferential judging of one judge played a role, the Olympics hates ties. The IOC basically says that you need to use a tie break when there’s a tie. The RD score was as close as they could separate the teams without an outright tie. It just strikes me as odd that they come from nowhere and succeed in any team usually does. That, to me, suggests, maybe not outright corruption, but being propped up. Most of the other teams (P/P, the Italians) already experienced being displaced. What doesn’t sit right with me is a new team displacing teams that have been together for years and paid their dues. These two paired in 24/25. They’ve been together for a year tops. That has to be unheard-of in a discipline that’s notorious for making couples pay their dues. You can’t comment on the rise of Z/K as anomalous and not say this is at best anomalous / a fluke. Maddie and Evan have a right to be upset because they were together for years paying their dues. Everybody’s focusing on Maddie and Evan, but there were several couples I felt should’ve scored higher. The judging was wonky all around. It should be given a closer look.There is no "overwhelming consensus". Plenty of people feel the French team deserved to win.
This team deserved to be scored many points in the lead if you take that performance and remove the couple small errors. So instead of winning by many points, they won by 1 point. They really were the class of the field. This quaddrenial was the weakest ever for Ice Dance, so it's no surprise that the best male ice dancer ever can pair up with someone who was top 5 in the world and they can manage to become the best team in just 1 year.
He's an excellent performer and served a ton of face in the RD at this competition. He literally managed to out-gay Lewis Gibson in that performance.
There have been plenty of great Paso Doble's in Ice Dance. Evan Bates simply does not have the ability to be fully convincing in this kind of expression.
Their FD is my favorite. Full of beautiful moments and feeling imho.Watching Charlene/Marco again...about midway through the program, Charlene does a kind of layback move that I swear was lovely enough to please even Uncle Dick Button.
I predicted the first one!! Unfortunately my mystical powers ended theremanifesting a twizzle mistake for cizeron. I think I need a P/P ogm

They definitely know how to bring the energy and work the crowd. I think the next 4 years will treat them very well.
or seat perhaps?Upper level short?
I had the venue feed going on in the living room and the J and T NBC feed going on in the dining room. IIRC, J and T showed the stumble in slo mo.,...will watch it again tonight.Thanks for letting me know, since I didn't watch it on tv to hear it lol!
Yup. But Piper and Paul looked so incredibly thrilled that I can't help but be thrilled for them. Their delight really made my day.I know the Canadians arguably should be thrilled with the bronze and they are but really the gold probably should have gone to them as in both skates they seem underscored.
The Italians were my mom's favourite FD too in the team competition. She's a fairly casual viewer and loved Charlene and Marco the most, and thought Chock/Bates's program was awful, lol.Their FD is my favorite. Full of beautiful moments and feeling imho.
They actually have given away empty seats in the past....when Maddie Chock and Greg Z were skating novice in Spokane nats 2007, they had novice in a convention center type building. They promoters just gave seats away and the place was rockin'! You should have seen the expressions on the novice faces!I wish there was a way to give away the empty seats. I realize that it defeats the purpose of supply and demand, but it sucks to see them empty.
not quite.I also think the fact that five judges preferred Chock and Bates in the free says a lot. No judging system is perfect, of course, but I think back when ordinals were used it was a much better buffer against corruption.
The Canadians have always been underscored! Despite the Bronze, it's still weird to witness how the judges suddenly switched to thinking they were not Gold contenders, and left them behind when the scores inflated further. Today's score was not P squared's all-time best – it was two points off that. This narrative has infected various judges, whether they were prejudiced or not, and it's a shame despite the Bronze medal result.Yes, those errors were noticeable even o the relatlivelyuntrained eye but I am not sure Chock and Bates would or should win. They were more clumsy or heavy in their skating han the Canadians. I know the Canadians arguably shoudl be thrilled with the bronze and they are but really the gold probably should have gone to them as in both skates they seem underscored. Oh well it's over. i feel for Chock and Bates and how wonderful for the French who formed a new team not even a year ago and climbed to the top - okay to be fair the French federation did eerything they could to get them to gold including dumping their previous no. 1 team and investing in them despite both skaters being deemed scandalous by man. Chock and Bates should be thrilled they won silver and nothing to be ashamed about. But those glaring errors of the Fench and real this events reminds me ironically of another cheated situation when Katarina Witt won in 1988 in what really should have gone to liz Manley ironically another Canadian.
Yes!!! I guess we're supposed to be relieved that ISU judging progress is happening sluggishly slowly?! Impossible to believe Bourne and Kratz didn't medal in 2002, and that even the documentary "Meddling" was not interested in Anissina/Peizerat's bought Gold – only in the injustice done to the pair skating Canadians. The Ice Dance medals should have been reawarded. How much evidence does one need when there is an FBI recording of the Gold medalist discussing her purchase of the medal through a mafioso?not quite.
they were still cheating.
Bourne and Kraatz were placed 5th in the compulsory first dance to make sure that even if they won 3rd place in the free dance, they would still not win a medal. So no. Ordinals were terrible.
I don't think so. Since the next Olympics will be in France, he might stick around or take a couple of years off and come back in 2029.I felt the fix was in for the French team from the moment Cizeron announced he was coming back. Now that he has his gold, I hope he will just go away.
I get that but that is marketing. So much money to be made by winners. Which is fine as there needs to be financial gain somewhere in this sport.It’s typically more important to the athletes.
This has been eating at me all day.....the fact of skating judges in ice dance getting together and pre determining results is many decades old. I dont know enough about ice dancing to know if J and T were the only ones that picked up on the judging idyosynchrosies or if every ice dance person on the planet is wondering why reviews werent called. Or KNOW why they werent called. But I do believe that if an entirely different disinterested tech pannel/ judge team would look at the last group, there would be way different numbers. And that is sad. And its very hard to fix. In the singles, we have the bugaboo of URs which is easily fixable with technology, but the ISU choses NOT to. Why?I just caught another error from Guillaume upon replay in the rotational lift, his footwork gets really wild, so he actually made 3 noticeable errors. Their corrupt win becomes even more questionable with errors on twizzles, rotational lift, and serpentine step sequence, all from Cizeron. Had any other team committed all these errors, they would have been buried. This is 2014 Sotnikova level corruption! Shame on you, ISU!