Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[Daniel5555]

GoPC2018

Can you clarify this, Daniel?

Brian said that he tried to contact with her and get information on what's going on, but she never answered, neither her management did. That can be viewed as being disrespectful. But she said that nothing disrespectful was done to him. Now, there can be a lot of interpretations of this, of what really happened. I don't think we should fantasize about this.

 

[janetfan]

Can you clarify this, Daniel?

Do we need clarification? Yuna called Brian a liar both in her tweet and in the letter to her fans. I would say publicly calling him a liar twice without saying why would be considered disrespectful regardless of your cultural background.

I agree with RD - ex: the way Michelle handled it with her little story about "taking responsibilty for my own skating" was enough to keep the the US press satisfied.

Yuna has told us Brian is lying but refuses to show any proof. I think in a way it is better she doesn't but the lack of reasons from ATS and Yuna does not make a good case. Many are left feeling Orser was disrespected and treated poorly.

 

[colleen o'neill]

I don't think Brian ever accused Yuna of being disrespectful.. he suspected she was not the one who made the decisions and was no more in the know than he was...having worked very closely with her for years, I think it's fair to assume something would have given him that idea.

As someone pointed out somewhere in forum discussion of this, I doubt very much if this will hurt attendance for her show...in L.A.? Where everyone thrives on gossip and scandal ? ..are you kidding ? It could actually work in her favour where attendance is concerned. If Brian had wanted to hurt Yuna's plans for her show, he would have known this would never work.

No-one is blaming Yuna ( except the Yuna-haters who would probably blame her for an unwanted change in the weather) so rest easy on that account.

Yuna's management ...that's another story. But there were lots of reasons to be dubious about them before any of this started.

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan
You are missing something. Brian didn't say this about her tweet or her letter.
The main point of her saying that he lies, is that he knows about the reason they've split while he says he's not. I have no idea how she is supposed to prove that Brian knows it. She can't make a snapshot of his thoughts and show it to us.

 

[i love to skate]

Canada & Korea ripping her apart. Must be nice to be Yuna right now. People need to cool off and get a bit less zealous in protecting their "hero/ friend." The fans are doing the burning of bridges for them.

I really don't think Canada is ripping her apart. The majority of people here have no idea who Yuna is so it isn't a popular topic that the general public is talking about. Even the skating fans that are critical of the split, are ripping apart her management and the way the situation took place - I really haven't seen anything written that was attacking her personally.

 

[janetfan]

janetfan
You are missing something. Brian didn't say this about her tweet or her letter.
The main point of her saying that he lies, is that he knows about the reason they've split while he says he's not. I have no idea how she is supposed to prove that Brian knows it. She can't make a snapshot of his thoughts and show it to us.

No, and if she could she might choose not too. I wish Yuna and Brian well and hope they get past this ASAP.
My criticism was really meant for ATS who obviously lacked the skills needed to handle this situation.

 

[janetfan]

I really don't think Canada is ripping her apart. The majority of people here have no idea who Yuna is so it isn't a popular topic that the general public is talking about. Even the skating fans that are critical of the split, are ripping apart her management and the way the situation took place - I really haven't seen anything written that was attacking her personally.

I have not seen anything, anywhere in the news - whether on TV or in the papers or magazines about this story in the USA. Yuna is basically unknown here and her coaching situation is of no importance other than to skating fans who post at forums

 

[Basics]

I just hope this whole thing was merely caused by the lack of communication between them, and somehow everything will magically work out for them soon. see ya. lol

 

[chloepoco]

I have not seen anything, anywhere in the news - whether on TV or in the papers or magazines about this story in the USA. Yuna is basically unknown here and her coaching situation is of no importance other than to skating fans who post at forums

I've not seen anything in the US news either. I think it's only big on skating forums, and I'm sure the average Joe couldn't care less about Brian and Yuna, much less even know who they are.

 

[R.D.]

I have not seen anything, anywhere in the news - whether on TV or in the papers or magazines about this story in the USA. Yuna is basically unknown here and her coaching situation is of no importance other than to skating fans who post at forums

Exactly. I first learned about this on Twitter (I follow @fsonline and a handful of skaters) and couldn't believe it. After reading the article/press release, I then checked here and FSU to find the respective threads already running multiple pages.

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan
I'm glad you understand...

As about reactions... You know, I mostly see that the press is neutral. The public... At least on this forum everyone seems to be in favour of both. In terms that both didn't do it good, but they are... they are Yuna and Brian. They must be good. In Korea Yuna... Yuna did so many things for Korea that you shouldn't worry about it. No matter how the teacher is respected and stuff, don't get too deep into it. She is a national hero and no one will care. Of course there are some old haters that are making the buzz about this, but that happens all the time even if there is nothing to talk about. As about Brian is more complicated. I don't think he will be seen as hero he was before. I don't think they'll take away anything, but certainly he won't be that loved anymore.

 

[MrBerkeley]

I should perhaps have chosen another word instead of disrespect, it's so loaded on so many levels.. But since I was trying to stand aside from the emotional aspect a bit ,I meant it in the sense of the accepted norms of professional courtesy..certainly by the standards we're used to in N/A ( or see as what we should all try to live up to in a professional agreement )..by those standards ,ATS treated Brian shabbily.

Thank you for the clarification. I absolutely agree with your position anyhow that ATS treated Brian shabbily.

 

[MrBerkeley]

MrBerkeley,
You are way over the top about this. Not true. Both Yuna and Brian are getting the heat right now for their messy break-up. Brian talking too much to the media is not well received.

Thank you for explaining the government part of confucianism. I don't consider confucianism backwards by any stretch, I think there are parts that are positive and parts that may not be... so equal. I think it has done more good than bad though. Certainly we could teach some of the respect stuff in America.

Sorry, that was a presumption. If that's the case, I take that part back.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Just wondering - are there any other skaters who won the OGM and then fired their coach a few months later?

I don't mean if they announced their retirement or turned pro, but skaters who continued competing.

No.

 

[janetfan]

janetfan
I'm glad you understand...

As about reactions... You know, I mostly see that the press is neutral. The public... At least on this forum everyone seems to be in favour of both. In terms that both didn't do it good, but they are... they are Yuna and Brian. They must be good. In Korea Yuna... Yuna did so many things for Korea that you shouldn't worry about it. No matter how the teacher is respected and stuff, don't get too deep into it. She is a national hero and no one will care. Of course there are some old haters that are making the buzz about this, but that happens all the time even if there is nothing to talk about. As about Brian is more complicated. I don't think he will be seen as hero he was before. I don't think they'll take away anything, but certainly he won't be that loved anymore.

I admire Brian and Yuna and was very surprised when this story broke.
But for Ms Choi to say in the first ATS response "we don't want media involved " may have been one of the most inept remarks I have ever heard. The only thing I remember sounding as silly was when OJ Simpson said, "let's keep the press out of this."

 

[MrBerkeley]

I admire Brian and Yuna and was very surprised when this story broke.
But for Ms Choi to say in the first ATS response "we don't want media involved " may have been one of the most inept remarks I have ever heard. The only thing I remember sounding as silly was when OJ Simpson said, "let's keep the press out of this."

Lol. :disapp:

 

[MrBerkeley]

I really don't think Canada is ripping her apart. The majority of people here have no idea who Yuna is so it isn't a popular topic that the general public is talking about. Even the skating fans that are critical of the split, are ripping apart her management and the way the situation took place - I really haven't seen anything written that was attacking her personally.

Well, I got the impression that general consensus was Yuna had made the decision to fire Orser disrespectfully and was an ungrateful traitor etc etc via comments below the news articles being published but I guess that doesn't really reflect on the general public (or even the skating population for that matter).

 

[Tonichelle]

Associated press covered it, but not a lot of media outlets used it.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Well, I admit I didn't read your posting real closely--I must have missed the part where you included giving Brian the benefit of the doubt too.

He's a self professed Yuna fan and was writing from that perspective. I don't think he was trying to imply Brian's comments were false by the tone of his post.

 

[Olympia]

1) First of all this splitting are really shocking news for all Yuna's fans. We all know that Brian Orser not only was a great coach, but also had a very friendly and special relationship with her that helped her very much to become a "happy skater" we all know. We have respect towards him and we came to love him through Yuna. In Korea he was a star on his own, he published his book there and he is a honorary citizen of Seoul.

9) In spite of all this Brian Orser is a skating legend and, probably, good person. I believe that he was just too shocked and was unable to think clearly about what he is doing. He played a great role in Yuna's success being almost a father for her and really deeply invested in her.

10) We all know that Yuna is a good person and a great skater. She made Brian Orser into a coach and completed him as much as he completed her. I hope that this incident won't change your opinion about Yuna.

12) This all was really hard for me and affected me very negatively. I can't express how I wish this would never happen. I'll try to respect Brian and I hope that eventually they'll come to some peace between them. What I'm sure about is that there won't be a better coach for Yuna than Brian was. Regardless if you believe Brian or not about ATS being so unprofessional to him, I have to remind that we don't know the truth and, most likely, both of them had a lot of errors and faults. I firmly believe that something wrong happened. So I hope that all of us will eventually desire them the best and try not to see them more negative than before. After all, both of them could be wrong or, maybe, both could be right in the case, that it was a purely miscommunication problem. Can you imagine that all happened because of translation problems and both of them acted logically and according to the information they had? I hope you will be open-minded and consider every possibility without making judgements upon something we don't have enough information about.

Thank you very much for reading.

You expressed the matter very eloquently, especially the emotional shadings. I excerpted the parts of your post that stood out most strongly to me. It's a painful situation for all concerned, and we who are fans find it distressing as well. Skating means a lot to us: that's why we're here. Your comment about how you wish so hard for this not to have happened sounds a lot like what I was thinking. And if it did have to happen, why did it have to be these two people in particular? They have given so much to skating, especially this year, and they brought us along for the ride. This is a messy business, a sad business.