Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[Mathman]

The truth appears to be that Orser was fired. In my language one might also say he was axed, given the ol' heave ho, or was 86'ed, chucked, booted, sacked, ousted and terminated.
Without any doubt Ms Park gave Orser a pink slip, his marching orders and he was dismissed and let go.

I hope Ms. P. also added, "Don't think of this as a setback, Mr. O., think of it as a fresh start and a new opportunity."

 

[janetfan]

I hope Ms. P. also added, "Don't think of this as a setback, Mr. O., think of it as a fresh start and a new opportunity."

And I am sure Ms Choi's "undeniable" translating skills made sure Ms P's words to Brian and Tracy were crystal clear.

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan

Por favor senor, (I almost wrote "por favor mi amigo") but felt no need for sarcasm.

It should be "Por favor, señor", so don't pretend you know Spanish (or at least you are lazy enough and won't search for enye).

The truth appears to be that Orser was fired.

I'm glad that at least is "appears" now and not "it is".

According to Yuna it was her decision to terminate Brian. Call it what you want but it doesn't change a thing or make anybody who admires both of them feel any better. Maybe Yuna taking credit publicly makes ATS feel better.

I admire them both and I certainly don't feel any better. Let's keep neutrality. We don't know if Brian was initially fired or he thought that he was fired. The only thing we know is that there was certain problem, so when he finally decided to speak out, they didn't try to hold him. Everything else is speculation and it is wrong to say that Yuna did this or Brian did that. We don't know what they did. The fact that Brian disclosed some information doesn't mean he talks everything that really happened or what happened after and before the e-mails and stuff. The fact that Yuna is not disclosing almost anything doesn't mean she had done something horrible to Brian.
That's all.

 

[janetfan]

janetfan

It should be "Por favor, señor", so don't pretend you know Spanish (or at least you are lazy enough and won't search for enye).


I'm glad that at least is "appears" now and not "it is".


I admire them both and I certainly don't feel any better. Let's keep neutrality. We don't know if Brian was initially fired or he thought that he was fired. The only thing we know is that there was certain problem, so when he finally decided to speak out, they didn't try to hold him. Everything else is speculation and it is wrong to say that Yuna did this or Brian did that. We don't know what they did. The fact that Brian disclosed some information doesn't mean he talks everything that really happened or what happened after and before the e-mails and stuff. The fact that Yuna is not disclosing almost anything doesn't mean she had done something horrible to Brian.
That's all.

No problemo (yo hablo un poco espanol de Mexico). "Badges, we don't need no stinkin badges"
If it helps to keep Yuna's "fairytale existence" alive in the minds of her best fans I will concede Orser was not "canned." Or should it be "caned?" I will look that up manana. For Orser's sake I hope it is the former and not the latter

But there can no doubt Ms Park most definitely declared Orser to be a "short timer," and "excess baggage."
Or in your language, adios Orser :disapp:

If it was a Hollywood movie maybe Ms Choi could have ended the meeting with this now immortal gibberish, "Hasta la vista baby."

I remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK39xpAtdU8&feature=related

But the truth is I will always remember Brian "skating along with Yuna" as she competed. No matter what happens or what is said that was pretty damn cool.

 

[Mathman]

^ Here in Detroit we would say that Mr. Orser was downsized. Or perhaps rightsized.

 

[hurrah]

No problemo (yo hablo un poco espanol de Mexico). "Badges, we don't need no stinkin badges"
If it helps to keep Yuna's "fairytale existence" alive in the minds of her best fans I will concede Orser was not "canned." Or should it be "caned?" I will look that up manana. For Orser's sake I hope it is the former and not the latter

But there can no doubt Ms Park most definitely declared Orser to be a "short timer," and "excess baggage."
Or in your language, adios Orser :disapp:

If it was a Hollywood movie maybe Ms Choi could have ended the meeting with this now immortal gibberish, "Hasta la vista baby."

I read a sense of poignant masochism into your choice of words.

Gotta say, she had this soap opera star kind of quality about her---even the ending is just so appropriate.

Maybe her legacy will be that she was the first figure skating star given birth to and ended in cyberspace.

Hail the first cyber-queen of figure skating! Hail the first prince consort of cyber-queen!

 

[janetfan]

^ Here in Detroit we would say that Mr. Orser was downsized. Or perhaps rightsized.

Downsized ...... :

 

[Ginask8s]

Thank you so much for some much needed lightness in this thread!

...

Yes, I know it's a serious situation, but a little laughter never hurt anyone. Also, it's unlikely we'll ever know exactly what happened and I'm beginning to hope everyone will eventually get over this mess. It's a true shame to end a great 4 years this way.

Very well put. They will both never be the same after this, and I would think Brian being an adult and used to the "stuff" that goes on in skating will recover quicker. Yuna being a sheltered young lady may find" the first cut is the deepest." (Wish I could pull that up by Rod Stewart for everyone!)

 

[colleen o'neill]

Your wish is granted ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZYAaQoks8

Gee , I love this playlist we're developing ...Someone could do a whole skating show around it..

For the old-timers ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Hftm_Gplc

Imagine who you like as the various characters. ( I knew I'd get slap-happy eventually )

 

[janetfan]

I read a sense of poignant masochism into your choice of words.

!

"Poignant masochism" Gad, what a cool term!! I am sure blades would approve
To be honest I wasn't sure how to spell "canned." First I wrote it with one "n" and immediately thought of Singapore.

And to be honest I was too lazy to look it up. So thanks for giving me more credit than I deserve.

 

[dorispulaski]

^ Here in Detroit we would say that Mr. Orser was downsized. Or perhaps rightsized.

Ahhh. At IBM, back in the day, the term was "surplused".

At the first ever firings at Fishkill, NY, one employee showed up for the day's firings (over 5000 at an 11,000 person facility) in an outfit similar to this, but in red rather than blue

http://www.safetyman.ca/images/p_s_man.jpg

and went running through the halls, screaming, "I'm Surplus Man, I'm Surplus Man."

 

[Blades of Passion]

"Poignant masochism" Gad, what a cool term!! I am sure blades would approve

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan

No problemo (yo hablo un poco espanol de Mexico).

Facepalm.

If it helps to keep Yuna's "fairytale existence" alive in the minds of her best fans I will concede Orser was not "canned."

There was no any fairytale existence in the first place. I don't know why you fall so easily to the tags like this. Probably lack of arguments, as usually.

But there can no doubt Ms Park most definitely declared Orser to be a "short timer," and "excess baggage."

Have you talked with Ms Park? You work with her? You saw her declaring Orser "short timer"? I know that not. Then stop daydreaming. Only facts really matter.

 

[skatinginbc]

His interview so far does not make it look like it was money issue if I take his words. I believe he talked about his hourly pay to explain that.

That's why I used a counterfactual condition (i.e., "Even if he WERE"), which means "I don't believe it to be true, but if you insist, let's talk in a hypothetical way".

 

[skatinginbc]

skatinginbc
I guess you don't have any idea what is logic.
Anyway, as you believe to have the monopoly of handling the "truth" it's not productive to talk to you.

Given that I know p→q is true if p is false, the following is logically true statement:
If Skatinginbc knows nothing about logic, then Daniel 5555 knows nothing either.

 

[skatinginbc]

If you have been reading my post carefully, you would have known when I wrote “Brian confirmed the rumor (that there was offer from Mao), the word “offer” was directed to the “rumor.” But perhaps you were already judging me as an “addict,” so you saw only what you wanted to see. (though I admit I deeply admire Brian and Yuna, and a big fan of Mao  )

What Brian wrote in his email to Yuna is that “they(Mao) inquired me and the team (Tracey, Wilson etc)” and he was flattered by Mao’s interest. Again, he used no such word as serious and business like as “offer.” But the media’s wild speculations already generated this rumor that Mao was offering Brian a coaching job. So it was understandable and reasonable that Brian felt the need to clarify this rumor to Yuna. It was professional behavior and nothing wrong about this.

But I thought that it was contradicting to the contents of the email and his interview with Herald, when Brian answered to the interviewer of CTV that there was absolutely no offer from Mao.

He should have at least explained there was a preliminary offer (=inquiry), but he did not accept it. Besides, when the interviewer asked him if there was an offer, it may not have been used as a legal term. In my perception, the word offer was used in the general sense of meaning. If that was so, Brian saying that “they(Mao) simply asked me if I can coach her but I rejected, therefore there was no offer” would have been reasonable, and consistent with his previous statements to the media.

But maybe he was trying to keep Mao out of loop, a gentleman as he is, and I respect him more for that.

What I meant was that I did not see the word "offer" in the confirmation from Brian as published in Herald and Tribune (Not about if you used the word "offer" in your post or not). The Brian's email as shown in Tribute only stated "Her agency did INQUIRE about me ( and team ) working with her."

Given that my phrasing was not clear enough, I don't blame you to assume that I was "already judging (you) as an addict", although in fact I did not.

Anyway, the main point I was trying to convey was: It was not “CLEAR evidence” as suggested by Yunaddiction. Was it an offer? I don’t know. But it was certainly not ”CLEAR” to some people.

Inferring from “context” can be a very dangerous thing. You assume I put you into the ”addict” category when I honestly did not. When I said “addicts”, I was referring to one particular individual (i.e., yunaddiction). I chose plural to make it less direct and even now I feel kind of bad to single him out.

Based on the context, it seemed CLEAR to some people (though not to others) that Brian contradicted himself. It was Brian’s own fault (just as it was my own fault to lead you into a wrong assumption about my intention), but it should not be taken as a “FACT” as claimed by some posters that Brian lied.

 

[skatinginbc]

Lol :think: I think this is a bit more extreme than the thought process of Brian described above (and a bit colored towards one side )

I know whats going on now was probably referring to the fact he was hitting the media with the interview (which she was probably most hurt by given Brian's immediate backtrack on whether she is a mature adult that makes her own choices or not. I don't think he meant it that way.)

Your previous points besides 5 might have a grain of truth. But only because that is pretty much how almost every relationship gets hairy. Lol.

When I wrote it, I was in a playful, joking mood, mimicking SkatingAnalyst's model because I found it very cute. It was never intended to explain the whole Yuna-Brian conflict. It was obviously an oversimplified analysis, but I am glad that you found some possible grain of truth in it.

 

[Hanaka]

He should have at least explained there was a preliminary offer (=inquiry), but he did not accept it. Besides, when the interviewer asked him if there was an offer, it may not have been used as a legal term. In my perception, the word offer was used in the general sense of meaning. If that was so, Brian saying that “they(Mao) simply asked me if I can coach her but I rejected, therefore there was no offer” would have been reasonable, and consistent with his previous statements to the media.

But maybe he was trying to keep Mao out of loop, a gentleman as he is, and I respect him more for that.

I don't understand your assumption at all. Mao and her agent clearly denied the rumor that they approached Mr. Orser or thay made an offer to him. But you are still keeping saying " he should have at least explained..." " maybe he was trying to keep Mao out of loop..." What do you mean? You are saying you don't trust Mao and her agent's words at all and still believe they must be hiding something, or they must be lying?

First of all what was the merit for Mao to hunt for a Canadian coach, when she was searching for a coach who she can communicate with in Japanese language and when she wanted/wants to keep living and staying in Japan and wanted to keep training at the rink in Nagoya, so she wanted a coach who can train her at the Chukyo Univ. Rink?
Do you say she thought Brian would cancel his jobs in Canada, dump Rippon and Gao, and move into Nagoya for her, or he would visit Nagoya really frequently and that he would learn Japanese to communicate with her?

The Mao approaching Orser and making an offer things don't make any sense at all. Why should she have bothered to do that and wast time and energy for no reason in the first place?

 

[Mathman]

To me, where Orser went wrong was in publically blaming Yu-na's mother. This put Yu-na in an impossible situation. What did Brian think Yu0na would say? "Yes Brian, you're right. My Mom is a wicked old witch."

 

[Daniel5555]

skatinginbc

Given that I know p→q is true if p is false, the following is logically true statement:
If Skatinginbc knows nothing about logic, then Daniel 5555 knows nothing either.

OK, let's go on.
p = "Skatingbc knows nothing about logic", q = "Daniel5555 knows nothing either".
p→q = ¬p v q. p is obviously true, because you don't know anything about logic judging by your posts regarding Yuna-Brian situation. q must be false, because I know logic, I have approved the necessary exams on it.
Then we have ¬1 v 0 = 0 v 0 = 0.
The statement is incorrect. You failed.