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I've never studied on Obamacare. The Obamacare is supposed to undermine my current good healthcare insurance. But I still support it because I believe as a nation, US should. This is one way to show that this country is better than other poorer countries in living conditions in general. I cannot imagine my life without healthcare insurance even though I have a very good health. That's just me.
 
People know the benefits of health insurance and just as before people will choose not to spend money while hey are healthy and pay a fine that's cheap. The subsidies that's supposed to make it cheaper don't make it cheaper than the fine in a lot of cases. I know people who aren't going to take welfare to buy insurance. They just dot to be one of those people on government assistance and be officially poor! Though I also know some who stay unmarried so they can be on food stamps! Wide range of people!
 
gmyers said:
People know the benefits of health insurance and just as before people will choose not to spend money while hey are healthy and pay a fine that's cheap. The subsidies that's supposed to make it cheaper don't make it cheaper than the fine in a lot of cases. I know people who aren't going to take welfare to buy insurance. They just dot to be one of those people on government assistance and be officially poor! Though I also know some who stay unmarried so they can be on food stamps! Wide range of people!
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What about an accident? They will be broke in case of an accident if they don't have insurance.

I know some people just take a chance.
 
Bluebonnet said:
I've never studied on Obamacare. The Obamacare is supposed to undermine my current good healthcare insurance. But I still support it because I believe as a nation, US should. This is one way to show that this country is better than other poorer countries in living conditions in general. I cannot imagine my life without healthcare insurance even though I have a very good health. That's just me.
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Bluebonnet, I think that's a very good way of looking at the issue.
 
I have so wished Obama to be US president five years ago. But Obama's second term is a total disaster if you ask me.
 
Obama's second term is only ten months old. Everything he has tried to accomplish has been thwarted by a hostile House of Representatives. We will have to wait anbd see how hisstory judges his performance in his seconbd term. Personally, I think it will be the Republican Party that will take the biggest hit when charges of disaster are passed around.
 
Mathman said:
Obama's second term is only ten months old. Everything he has tried to accomplish has been thwarted by a hostile House of Representatives. We will have to wait anbd see how hisstory judges his performance in his seconbd term. Personally, I think it will be the Republican Party that will take the biggest hit when charges of disaster are passed around.
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Bluebonnet, Math just made the point that occurred to me when I read your comment. Believe me, I understand your anguish. I had hopes that when we showed for a second time that so many of us wanted him as President, he'd have more of a free hand to get things done. But he seems to be stymied at every turn. There's so much that needs to be done. I know everyone doesn't agree with us, but even those who have different ideas should be a bit less eager to have the government grind to a halt.
 
I partly agree with you, Math and Olympia. Republicans have picked a wrong cause to shutdown. More Americans will be angry at Republicans, just like Clinton Impeachment. If I were a Republican, I'd have picked Obama's raising debt ceilling and war on Syria to shutdown government. Then again, Republicans are more of warmongers. That's why I said it's time for a third party to truly rise up the power to the two party level. There should be a party of independents.:) Right now, the independents are scattered everywhere.
 
Bluebonnet said:
I'd have picked Obama's raising debt ceilling and war on Syria to shutdown government. Then again, Republicans are more of warmongers.
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Unlikely as it seemed a few weeks ago, President Obama came out smelling like a rose on Syria. Without firing a shot he got Assad to surrender his stockpile of chemical weapons to UN supervision.

As to the debt ceiling, although we are concerned about the national debt, the proposed increase is to pay the bill for purchases already made. By constitutional mandate, all appropriations bills must originate in the House of Representatives. For the House to incur debt one year, then the next year to say, ha ha suckers, we're not going to pay up -- that is not only morally reprehensible but (unlike the current partial shutdown of government services) it would wreak havoc with the U.S. and world economies.
 
Mathman said:
Unlikely as it seemed a few weeks ago, President Obama came out smelling like a rose on Syria. Without firing a shot he got Assad to surrender his stockpile of chemical weapons to UN supervision.
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:laugh: Hardly! The glory is all Putin's! Now Putin has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize!:biggrin:
 
Well, I hope Mr. Putin makes it. Each year about 200-300 people are nominated. A great many folks can submit nominations -- any professor of social science can, for instance. Mr. Putin was nominated by something called the Academy Of Spiritual Unity And Cooperation Of Peoples Of The World.

But here's the thing. If Putin and Assad, those peace pioneers. had wanted to deal with Syria's chemical stock pile, they could have done so at any time. It was only when the United States started rattling its saber that all of a sudden they rushed to show how peaceful they were.

Previous nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize are Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler. Oh, and Barack Obama. ;)
 
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I know many retirees who are glad the Affordable Care Act is in place. Two people I know have pre-existing conditions. They retired this year and moved to other states. So, they have the option to look at a different health care provider vs having to stay with our current plans.

The health care system is broken. It has been for a long time and for some reason Obama is the 1st to actually try to push a change. Of course it's not perfect, but this is not a case of it ain't broke don't fix it. This plan is modeled after other existing health care systems.

The high % of older citizens is driving the cost of health care up. A lot of money goes towards extending life as compared to the cost of maintaining the health of the younger population. being born in 1964, I'm at the very tail end of the baby boom - I'm guessing I'm going to end up working til I'm 70 to support social security etc for all the baby boomers who retire before me.

For those who don't think they need insurance, everyone is one major medical issue from bankruptcy. Without insurance, you're a few steps closer to that line.

Same with 401K's. Don't understand why people don't participate, especially when matching contributions are provided. I started contributing to my 401K immediately at my 1st job - if I never had it in my paycheck, I wouldn't miss the money in my pocket. If you can't join immediately, when you can join, start when you get a raise - again you can't miss it if it's not in your pocket.

My employer offered Long Term Care Insurance a couple of years ago. Rate becomes locked in when you join. So, it costs me $40/month. I looked into getting it for my mother and her rate would be about $400/month. I think it's worthwhile because it's highly likely that long term care will be needed in the future. .... also, if I were to break my leg and need assistance, my mother is not physically capable of lifting me, etc . Hopefully, I won't need it for a long time, but at least I know that I won't be initially overburdened.
 
very good logical thinking heyang. sadly I was disabled at 28. And the rad. repugs, g intended, want to destroy the social safety net for the unfortunate. The Pentagon is the big slurp with huge waste. And we have loust vet care. USA is radically capitalist. I hear 3 d printing will get much mfg back from China. Hope it is true.

I pray this evil shutdown does not destroy us with the debt ceiling fight. Sadly people don't get what it is. Obama needs to be out in front of white house every day talking about how head start AND WIC WILL MAKE THE POOREST WOMEN/KIDS SUFFERING. tHE REPUGS WANT TO FUND GOVT ONE PROGRAM AT A TIME. sorry caps.

Why are a small group of repugs with the power? Are they the richest? Can someone tell me why Boehner is almost afraid of them? He is a terrible leader.
 
skateluvr said:
very good logical thinking heyang. sadly I was disabled at 28. And the rad. repugs, g intended, want to destroy the social safety net for the unfortunate. The Pentagon is the big slurp with huge waste. And we have loust vet care. USA is radically capitalist. I hear 3 d printing will get much mfg back from China. Hope it is true.

I pray this evil shutdown does not destroy us with the debt ceiling fight. Sadly people don't get what it is. Obama needs to be out in front of white house every day talking about how head start AND WIC WILL MAKE THE POOREST WOMEN/KIDS SUFFERING. tHE REPUGS WANT TO FUND GOVT ONE PROGRAM AT A TIME. sorry caps.

Why are a small group of repugs with the power? Are they the richest? Can someone tell me why Boehner is almost afraid of them? He is a terrible leader.
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Because on a national level, candidates are determined by primaries. And who votes in primaries? Party faithfuls. One of the reasons conservative groups like the Tea Party could exert such an undue influence on national politics is because they demonstrated their influence in the 2010 party primaries. One thing you can say about Republicans and conservative/reactionary groups like the Tea Pary--they tend to be very unified and present a single, coherent vision. I could say a good many things about the nature of that vision, but it's late and I'm trying to be polite!
 
^ Me, three!

Mathman said:
Previous nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize are Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler. Oh, and Barack Obama. ;)
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You beat me to it. :) And Putin was nominated by Russians, no less.

There are many objections to Mr. Putin's Nobel Peace prize nomination. Probably quite a few coming from Georgians, Chechnyans, and, you know, the families of all the people he killed.
 
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