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Right, even though he was the one who apparently arranged the tryout with Victoria? He must be the most arrogant man I know...He is going to do damage control? LOL.:rofl:

It's called back pedaling. This will finally allow Nikita to see Morozov for what he really is SLIME. If I were Lena I would agree to staying together with only one condition. That they have a new coach. She needs to play her hand right. The Fed would so support her:yes:
 
But.... Kustarova, Alexeeva, Tarasova, Vaytsekhovskaya all said this was orchestrated by Nikita AND Morozov. How did his skater set up a try out and apparently arrange for the coaching change without Morozov ever being aware of it? Sudden amnesia perhaps? :laugh:

Or maybe behind the scenes things are looking less like they will split and he's trying to cling on to having a team to coach?
 
Well, I hope that if he talks to them, together or separately, it will be in presence of someone from the Federation.
The guy is just too manipulative and apparently loves to treat people like pawns.
 
Castling dancing couples Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin

I take it that this idiom, translated non-idiomaticlally by Google, refers to the piece-swapping move of "castling" in chess? If do, I like it for this situation. :)
 
I mean from what I am understanding it's not exactly that he is threatening them- he is stating that they will not be in a team (kind of like the USA with their envelope funding, Russia has their A team, B team, etc and partly this determines what events people are likely to get, and partly it determines funding). He is stating that they are not automatically going to put the couples into their A or B team and that they will first have to figure out regional funding and show some results, at which time they will get onto the A or B team (if all goes well naturally) and be supported.

I do not imagine this will be that hard for either of them to do (find some regional funding and then get onto the Russian team), though I am not positive if this is an additional hoop they have to jump through or just routine when couples of this caliber split up.

The journalist Vaitsekhovskya mentioned in one of her articles that Lena’s sponsors pushed very hard to see her in Team competition and that it helped the couple to be chosen for Team FD. No matter if it is true now, but I write it because it would mean that Lena (not whole couple) got some sponsor, no? Maybe it was P&G or Pantene or something else, but for Lena, not for Nikita.
Sponsors could help in this situation for sure, if they wanted.

I think that all those four are from Moscow region, I was listening to speaker at Russsian Nationals also – he said Moscow in case of I&K, S&Z and also B&S, M&K. So, all those two new couples should be supported by the same region, funny…

Kustarova is less expensive than Morozov, trainings are less expensive in Russia than in US (for Russian skaters), summer training camps are less expensive in Europe than in US (for Russians). It means that Moscow region would be forced to pay much more money to Morozov, Victoria and Nikita. And it is not coaching and trainings only.
During next few months a couple must got choreography (also expensive more from Morozov than from Averbukh for example) and costumes, also new skates. Some paso doble teachers will be needed also. Some specialists for lifts. I guess that all of this will be more expensive in US than in Russia (for Russians). Morozov also loves to visit Brodway, some box classes like last year….overall very expensive…is Moscow ready to pay it all? Why? Any secure results?

Of course all those four skaters (Viki and Lena, Ruslan and Nikita) are great, so after first Russian cmpetition they will probably win over all dancers except Bobrova & Soloviev, Monko & Khaliavin and Stepanova & Bukin, if Riazanova & Thachenko continue – I count them also. All those couples are a part of Russian Team, so both new couples would be probably chosen also. Maybe they would even jump over some of those couples, a very small chances for this, but one never knows… And of course not every top Russian couple is competing at that Russian Cup series.

Taking this into acount I don’t think that Moscow region would be so happy to sponsor two new couples who Russian Federation refused to help. Lena and Ruslan are paying for Victoria & Nikita in this case, it is not their fault that this situation happened but those rules will be for them also…that is wrong while both Lena and Ruslan didn’t start this situation.

Of course I think that all skaters came from rich families because all those years when skaters were young, their parents had to pay for anything connected to skating….it is very expensive. Now they are all a part of Russian Team, so parents doesn’t need to pay so much no more. But it looks like that for Victoria and Nikita…it would be necessary again – Morozov, trainings, food, travelling – car, choreography, off ice preparation, specialists…and once again, all this have to be done in next few months, it can’t wait until moment when they will become a part of Russian Team again.
 
Of course I think that all skaters came from rich families because all those years when skaters were young, their parents had to pay for anything connected to skating….it is very expensive. Now they are all a part of Russian Team, so parents doesn’t need to pay so much no more. But it looks like that for Victoria and Nikita…it would be necessary again – Morozov, trainings, food, travelling – car, choreography, off ice preparation, specialists…and once again, all this have to be done in next few months, it can’t wait until moment when they will become a part of Russian Team again.

Can't they just change the coach? I mean why do they have to stay with Morozov?
Personally I like very much Averbukh and Zhulin as coreo.
 
Of course I think that all skaters came from rich families because all those years when skaters were young, their parents had to pay for anything connected to skating….it is very expensive. Now they are all a part of Russian Team, so parents doesn’t need to pay so much no more. But it looks like that for Victoria and Nikita…it would be necessary again – Morozov, trainings, food, travelling – car, choreography, off ice preparation, specialists…and once again, all this have to be done in next few months, it can’t wait until moment when they will become a part of Russian Team again.

I actually do not think that is true? Someone correct me if I am wrong/out of date but I believe that when Russians are children they can be taken by their parents (for free) to rinks to skate. If they are identified as having talent, they are put in a training group (also for free) and they are given some free lessons and their progress is closely monitored. They may have to pay for skates, but that's it. They then begin dropping like flies as they are ruthlessly cut from the program and the groups are culled throughout the years as talent is identified and closely monitored. Eventually, they are sent out to competitions. More and more continue to be cut. However, at this level going forward (once they begin to be sent to novice competitions), all is paid for, even skates.

Examples of skaters who I am certain are not rich but have advanced in this way are Sotnikova, Lipnitskaia, Elena herself.
 
I actually do not think that is true? Someone correct me if I am wrong/out of date but I believe that when Russians are children they can be taken by their parents (for free) to rinks to skate. If they are identified as having talent, they are put in a training group (also for free) and they are given some free lessons and their progress is closely monitored. They may have to pay for skates, but that's it. They then begin dropping like flies as they are ruthlessly cut from the program and the groups are culled throughout the years as talent is identified and closely monitored. Eventually, they are sent out to competitions. More and more continue to be cut. However, at this level going forward (once they begin to be sent to novice competitions), all is paid for, even skates.
Examples of skaters who I am certain are not rich but have advanced in this way are Sotnikova, Lipnitskaia, Elena herself.
And Liza, too. I remember V/T were also very poor before they reached to the top level.
 
Morozov breaks silence. http://itar-tass.com/sport/1106392
This is all a very recent news to him so he does not know what's happening. However the situation between E and N has been ongoing for some time. He MAY to talk to both.
:scratch:

That is a very strategical sentence. I MAY...MAYBE....and maybe not.
I can't believe that they wouldn't talk about it earlier....just notice the difference between Lena and Nikita's behaviour after SD and FD at World Champs. After SD Lena and Nikita almost didn't look at him, while after FD they were hugging and kissing him like every time.

So I guess that there was a talk about that article after SD and Morozov swore that it was not him who prepared it, so after FD Lena was OK. Nikita was probably angry at him because he wanted to keep it in a secret and he also believed that it was Morozov who told the press. After FD he also hugged Morozov.

I have an opinion that Morozov didn't expect such big reaction, so now he is a bit afraid of what will be next, so he tries to play a Fairy Godmother who will solve all problems... no, who MAY solve all problems.
 
I actually do not think that is true? Someone correct me if I am wrong/out of date but I believe that when Russians are children they can be taken by their parents (for free) to rinks to skate. If they are identified as having talent, they are put in a training group (also for free) and they are given some free lessons and their progress is closely monitored. They may have to pay for skates, but that's it. They then begin dropping like flies as they are ruthlessly cut from the program and the groups are culled throughout the years as talent is identified and closely monitored. Eventually, they are sent out to competitions. More and more continue to be cut. However, at this level going forward (once they begin to be sent to novice competitions), all is paid for, even skates.

Examples of skaters who I am certain are not rich but have advanced in this way are Sotnikova, Lipnitskaia, Elena herself.

During Soviet Union there was a big support for sport by state, there were sport schools, sport programs, all kids were taken in summer to football, in winter to skating). Urmanov and Yagudin and mainly Plushenko were from families with almost no money, but it was not problem - having talent - Soviet Union paid them everything. But it all ended with the end of Soviet Union. For example Ilia Kulik was suddenly forced to make choreographies on his own, because his parents (with University education) were not able to give money on choreography. And Mishin helped a lot to Plushenko while he was a kid, he didn't pay him for some time.

Elena was able to spend two years in US, with such expensive coaches like Zueva and Sphilband, she had her grand-mother with her also. In that time she was not in Russian Team no way, so she must pay it all by herself - her mom.

Believe me, even those skaters who say they are not rich - are rich enought to pay all those years for coaches, costumes, trainings, tranings camps, competitions, choreographies, skates etc. All of them have great clothes and perfect mobile phones, all adults have cars (some pair coach already mentioned that it is strange when her students arrive at trainings in more luxury and expensive car then she has.).

This is how I remember a story of young skaters, maybe there are different approaches in different regions, I don't know.
What did you describe above, it would take me to believe that it was how it worked under Soviet Union.
 
Can't they just change the coach? I mean why do they have to stay with Morozov?
Personally I like very much Averbukh and Zhulin as coreo.

I wouldn't send any promising couple to Morozov.
If a couple can't hear the rhythm, teach them it. If a couple can't see a difference among some kinds of Balroom Dances, teach them it. But what if a coach (who is a choreographer in one person) can't identify rhythm issues or different Ballroom Dance? Who will learn him?
 
I wouldn't send any promising couple to Morozov.
If a couple can't hear the rhythm, teach them it. If a couple can't see a difference among some kinds of Balroom Dances, teach them it. But what if a coach (who is a choreographer in one person) can't identify rhythm issues or different Ballroom Dance? Who will learn him?

Very much agreed. If Nikita insists however with staying with Morozov, I'd rather they split.
 
I cannot believe I'm going to say this:) I so agree with you here Sisinka :) It's like he doesn't think before he acts. Or is he really that dependent on Morozov? Does he really believe that no-one but Morozov could help with his development? These two need a marriage counsellor, because they can work things out if they learn how to communicate properly with each other. Given all that has transpired he and Victoria need to nip this in the bud now because it just looks soooo bad.

:) Feeling good...
 
Examples of skaters who I am certain are not rich but have advanced in this way are Sotnikova, Lipnitskaia, Elena herself.

I don't think Nikita is from a wealthy family either - his mother is a skating coach, but not at a high level, and none of his family went with them to Sochi to watch them skate. Elena's mother was only there because P&G paid for her. Maybe Victoria's family has enough to support them both, who knows.
 
But it all ended with the end of Soviet Union. For example Ilia Kulik was suddenly forced to make choreographies on his own, because his parents (with high school eduaction) were not able to give money on choreography. And Mishin helped a lot to Plushenko while he was a kid, he didn't pay him for some time.

That's true, it all ended because there was no money, even for the food let alone skating. Rinks were in a bad conditions and as we know many russian coaches left for USA
However, today things are very different and I think it works like tulosai was describing. For skaters who're good, have talent, potential, brings result etc. the Federations finance them in all areas.
 
A lot of rumours first, many wishes, but at the very end things are spoken out by the federation.
There were other splits before and nobody cares today (Romaniuta/ Barintsew f.e.).
All of them are very gifted sakters, so let's see what future will bring for the new couples.
I consider ice dancing more interesting without that strong favourites ... its up to them and there will be enogh reasons for deciding that way.
The race for the medals is open again and I look forward to the next season withot I/K but with other strong competitors.
 
The early reports are that under pressure from RFSF and his parents Nikita may have changed his mind.
 
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