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boohoo. Yuna is by far not the only or first or last skater to receive questionable downgrades.The downgrade call was unfair.
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boohoo. Yuna is by far not the only or first or last skater to receive questionable downgrades.The downgrade call was unfair.
Well, I'm honestly surprised about this thread. I was sure to see more angry talk, but for some strange reason people here were more angry to Yuna when she scored high and now they are kind to her when she finished second.
But what seems to be a near-consensus is that the UR call on the 3T was plain bad. I don't have any reason to believe it was motivated by dishonesty. Actually so far, this event has been relatively well-judged.
OK, I was joking when I wrote the comment about me being painted as an anti-YuNatic. Next time, I will use a more obvious emoticon when I'm being facetious (alas, the green disappointed one is my favourite).
Youtube didn't have these, but ones that come to my mind are:
- Rachael Flatt SP WTT 09 3-3
- Fumie Suguri SP Skate America this season 3flip (though Tara Lipinki pointed out in the icenetwork feed that it might get a call
That UR is hard to see (if it's present). Some people can't see it after watching the video for several times, but that's just because they don't see it. I think I saw it the first time when I saw the performance for the first time, it was like "hey, something strange just happened". But I don't know really, maybe I'm wrong and that call is, in fact, unfair. And there are a lot of people who don't see it, so maybe they are right.I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high.
I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high. :scratch:
Oh man. I'm sorry for misreading your posts. I can't tell subtle sarcasm unless emoticons are used.
Sorry, but I disagree. Yu-Na singling a planned triple and being downgraded on a triple+triple attempt and still being less than 1 point close to a clean Miki Ando is just plain wrong. It's not like Miki is the same calibre as someone like Mira Leung or Tugba Karademir. She's a former world champ and the reigning world bronze medalist for crying out loud. Kim is not that much better a skater than Ando, IMO.
Er... Sorry, but I can't possibly agree with you.
I suggest you get a chance to see them compete right at the scene.
If you can't tell the difference after that, I suggest you go see an eye doctor ASAP. I was totally blown away by Yu-na's skating. Faster, higher, more powerful than anybody else. Such a beautiful skater.
Youtube didn't have these, but ones that come to my mind are:
- Rachael Flatt SP WTT 09 3-3
- Fumie Suguri SP Skate America this season 3flip (though Tara Lipinki pointed out in the icenetwork feed that it might get a call
I agree about Fumie's call, it was UR'd.Um, I don't know about Rachael's case, but Fumie's was quite visible. I was there, and I was pretty sure it was gonna get DGed.
I'd have to disagree with you about that. And again, it's too bad I can't see it either, but I don't believe it was such an obviously bad UR call. Ando also had problems fully rotating it later in the season. Maybe that's why she's doing a 3-2 instead of the 3-3 this season.1. I would say Miki Ando's UR on her 3Loop at SA last year in the short. Her combo was probably the biggest one of the 3Lz-3L.
2. I guess you haven't read numerous posts about how X fans "just" want to see fair judging for the sport (even though their skater got wronged) but they only defend their skater, fighting tooth and nail. You can be die-hardly screaming for objectivity in judging and scrutinize every skater except your favorite. You can scrutinize your favorites too.
You gotta be kidding. I see huge gap between Miki's mechanical/boring style and Yuna's elegant/exciting style. Are you kidding? Did you forget about the difference in the score when Yuna won 2009 world title? She is in her class of her own.
Ice Network showed a freeze capture slow mo of Yu-Na 3/3 ; it was obviously 1/4 short and even a little more. A definite UR. In real time I admit it looks good; but the panel gets to use slo mo. So I don't know why you guys are causing such a ruckes; she underrotated and got caught big deal.
No, I am not kidding. Yu-Na didn't make TWO MAJOR mistakes in the SP like singling a triple and under-rotating her triple toe in the jump combo either in the Worlds SP. Without question, when both are clean, Kim definitely beats Ando, hands down, but Yu-Na was far from clean in this SP and she is way too close in the scores with a clean Miki. If Yu-Na went clean and only scored less than 1 point above a 2 major mistakes skate by Miki, I have a feeling you'd be questioning the placements too.
I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high. :scratch:
No, I am not kidding. Yu-Na didn't make TWO MAJOR mistakes in the SP like singling a triple and under-rotating her triple toe in the jump combo either in the Worlds SP. Without question, when both are clean, Kim definitely beats Ando, hands down, but Yu-Na was far from clean in this SP and she is way too close in the scores with a clean Miki. If Yu-Na went clean and only scored less than 1 point above a 2 major mistakes skate by Miki, I have a feeling you'd be questioning the placements too.
Having done endless frame-by-frame replays of jump landings by now (thanks a lot, COP), I will say that Yuna's 3t landing is exactly the same as any of her other successful 3t landings, with a bobble on the glide out that came after the landing. Maybe the last bit is what confused the tech caller? It definitely did not deserve a downgrade.