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Tutto said:
I think this program is in a painful contrast with the exquisite choreo & interpretation by P/C
Liza's arm movements are same for every program she skates
So far very depressing
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I remember this music when Kostner won World gold with it. Program made me a Kostner fan.
 
Arriba627 said:
I'm crazy about the SP and can't wait to see it live at Skate America. I've been slower to warm up to the FS, but I love the SP music and really wouldn't mind if others skated to it. But then, I'm strange like that. I saw Tatsuki skate it at SA 2014, so it will be fun to compare.
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We will look forward to your report on SA, Arriba! :), esp. your personal thoughts on Shoma's programs. :)
 
Nathan13 said:
Yay I'm not the only one :rofl: Seriously this music is bad. It made me remember Z/K in the worst way possible. "torture" is the perfect word choice.
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:laugh2: And you know what's worse than the "shhhhh" is the "whaaa, whaaaa, whaaa". And I seen Z/K live twice last year, don't know how I will survive Leonova in Paris.
 
Nathan13 said:
Yay I'm not the only one :rofl: Seriously this music is bad. It made me remember Z/K in the worst way possible. "torture" is the perfect word choice.
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RemyRose said:
:laugh2: And you know what's worse than the "shhhhh" is the "whaaa, whaaaa, whaaa".
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:rolleye: - Sorry, but that was my reaction. Many people are quite limited in their perception of music (and many other things too). Most of it is obviously just too "weird", "crazy", "screechy", loud etc. for them. I don't know if you are among those people, but you give the impression of being two of them. And Bjork bad? Sure, she has songs that are not exactly brilliant - just like everyone, including the greats - but this is not one of her weaker songs. It's just not your standard/conventional/traditional music (even though it's basic style is very traditional). Come to think of it, Bjork has never been conventional. In my book it's a good thing, but I know that many people think differently indeed.
 
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lauravvv said:
:rolleye: - Sorry, but that was my reaction. Many people are quite limited in their perception of music (and many other things too). Most of it is obviously just too "weird", "crazy", "screechy", loud etc. for them. I don't know if you are among those people, but you give the impression of being two of them. And Bjork bad? Sure, she has songs that are not exactly spectacular - just like everyone, including the greats - but this is not one of her weaker songs. It's just not your standard/conventional/traditional music (even though it's basic style is very traditional). Come to think of it, Bjork has never been conventional. In my book it's a good thing, but I know that many people think differently indeed.
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Oh okay, thanks for telling me what kind of person I am :rolleye:
 
Ernie tweeted this.


Caitlin Fields & Ernie Utah Stevens USA
SP “Piano et voix rythmiques” by Hugues Le Bars; choreo by Shanetta Folle and Sergei Zaitsev (last season's)
LP Spartacus
 
RemyRose, thank you very much for the links! I particularly liked Liza's, Sima's, Petya's and Andrey Lazukin's programs. In the past two seasons Sima has been accused of having lost her individuality; I think this program demonstrates that she's regained it. Looking forward to seeing it all in professionally shot videos.
 
WeakAnkles said:
I loathe the music--what? Chopin isn't good enough for you that you have to overlay this New Age crap on top of it--but there's a wonderful rotational lift in there and some interesting choreography. My interest is Officially Piqued.
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Dancers are mandated to have a clear beat. So, no, Chopin isn't good enough to compete in dance without one. I like the upside down lift also. Don't think we can have a feeling for the whole piece until we see the ending, but I am also intrigued.

That said, I have a distinct memory of an interview with Zhulin last season talking about how it will take something completely different in order to challenge Papadakis/Cizeron. It was a good interview. I can't say that Chopin & Sing, Sing, Sing fit that description. So who is it that got the something completely different?
 
What was the most interesting about Liza's program wasn't necessarily the music, but her jump layout. 3T+3T, 3Lz, 2A. Does that mean she's abandoning the 3A? I think it might be a good idea for her- if she can get those other triples back to where they were in early 2015, she can still hang with the best.
Her music and choreography is uninspired and recycled, but I can accept that as long as she can find her jumps. Give me that Lutz, girl!
 
Two seasons ago when Liza used Boléro for her SP, I was thinking Caro had just used that piece of music, why would she pick the same since both are top skaters. Boléro worked pretty well for Liza. And now Liza is using the Mozart Caro used before again (with some change in the second half)... I am sure mostly likely it is not intentional. I love the music, but it sounds so un-Liza， because it is not dramatic.
 
hippomoomin said:
Two seasons ago when Liza used Boléro for her SP, I was thinking Caro had just used that piece of music, why would she pick the same since both are top skaters. Boléro worked pretty well for Liza. And now Liza is using the Mozart Caro used before again (with some change in the second half)... I am sure mostly likely it is not intentional. I love the music, but it sounds so un-Liza， because it is not dramatic.
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Maybe it's Mishin? Like Shpilband...
 
OMG.... this is Chopin's prelude in C minor... it is a simple phrase of chords repeated 3 times in the original, meant pretty much as a church organ prelude at mass... and the C minor key, the pace of the chords and the harmonic writing is pretty much along the lines of a funeral piece....

It has absolutely nothing to do with dance... without being an ice dance expert, I don't think there would be a dance rhythm that would fit the music even with the added layer... sorry but no.... it's just a huge clash... I'd fire the one who chose the music and is editing it and choreographing it... fire the coaches too for letting you pick this...

This piece is absolutely gorgeous in its original version, now it sounds so tacky... I want to cry... The added tune is just gross... in any case, 3 minutes of this static piece is reflected in their static skating of it. If they think they can make a skating masterpiece out of it and create material strong enough for top five, they are in my humble opinion dreaming with what is shown there.... OMG... who gets paid to do such atrocious programs? In any case, the rules say that a change of pace must happen so i wonder what they will do with that... at least, if they wanted this piece, they could have gone for a theme and variations on it by rachmaninoff which would have given them some options as some of the later variations have some rhythm into them... but it's still wouldn't make sense.... WOW... ICE DANCE people... it's like we are back to the 90s.....
bramweld said:
B/S FD. Is the other minute the section of originally composed music? https://vk.com/videos257530852?z=video257530852_456239041%2Fpl_257530852_-2

Wouldn't make sense to comment now as we don't know how that might add dimension to the piece.
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Snow63 said:
It's the part of their new FD? She said they found 3 min piece, so this is probably it. There's only one step sequence and no choreographic elements. I wonder if the last minute will be more dynamic or if they will continue with the same tempo. But they're clearly in shape this time, I remember last season thay looked much worse in August.
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Mattieu said:
I'm kinda disappointed, as it looks like they are trying to go in a modern direction, but that music.....
How can they train with that day in and day out, it would drive me crazy?
I hope the last minute of the music brings it to some kind of conclusion, as the first 3 mins are kinda repetitive.
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WeakAnkles said:
I loathe the music--what? Chopin isn't good enough for you that you have to overlay this New Age crap on top of it--but there's a wonderful rotational lift in there and some interesting choreography. My interest is Officially Piqued.
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i agree with the lift being nice.... but yeah...
 
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Ice Dance said:
Dancers are mandated to have a clear beat. So, no, Chopin isn't good enough to compete in dance without one. I like the upside down lift also. Don't think we can have a feeling for the whole piece until we see the ending, but I am also intrigued.

That said, I have a distinct memory of an interview with Zhulin last season talking about how it will take something completely different in order to challenge Papadakis/Cizeron. It was a good interview. I can't say that Chopin & Sing, Sing, Sing fit that description. So who is it that got the something completely different?
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the issue though is that the melodic layer they added doesn't give them a dance tempo... the beat is plenty clear with those basses ... it's just a very static and repetitive pattern that would never be seen in any type of dance except for a very static piece of ballet or modern dance... it's at best a march... a funeral march... nothing can be done to transform this piece into ice dance material...
 
lauravvv said:
:rolleye: - Sorry, but that was my reaction. Many people are quite limited in their perception of music (and many other things too). Most of it is obviously just too "weird", "crazy", "screechy", loud etc. for them. I don't know if you are among those people, but you give the impression of being two of them. And Bjork bad? Sure, she has songs that are not exactly spectacular - just like everyone, including the greats - but this is not one of her weaker songs. It's just not your standard/conventional/traditional music (even though it's basic style is very traditional). Come to think of it, Bjork has never been conventional. In my book it's a good thing, but I know that many people think differently indeed.
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Yay! A Bjork fan! When "Birthday," the first Sugarcubes single released in Amercia featuring the Estimable One, came out, I was astounded by what she was doing with her voice (and deeply worried she would completely shred her vocal cords in the not-as-distant-as-one-would-like future). Dancer in the Dark is a deeply disturbing movie. Part of its power comes from the juxtaposition of this incredibly bleak plot and Bjork's decidedly idiosyncratic take on classic Hollywood musical songs. Just so weird and so wonderful. There's more to music than Top 40 Radio.
 
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