The only voice I dislike more than McGregor's is Sam Smith, and so I feel a victim right now.
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Maybe because they want to hear the crowd sing "Woo, Woo!!"?
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The only voice I dislike more than McGregor's is Sam Smith, and so I feel a victim right now.
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Maybe because they want to hear the crowd sing "Woo, Woo!!"?
It's mooore than I caaaan staaaaaand! (sorry couldn't resist).
Seriously, why does it seem like everyone is skating to the MR soundtrack this year? I heard that Vincent Zhou changed his FS from the other Baz Luhrmann musical/warhorse (Romeo & Juliet) to "Come What May." Vincent said he had never seen anyone skate to this, but this was the Knierims' SP last season, even if it was only performed twice in competition (and once in exhibition, which I was lucky enough to see).
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:dev2: + :dance: = :shocked: :eeking: and 
The 9.9 is Sharon Roger's score for skating skills.
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well... here are some of the lyrics
On a very swingy samba, that could just a flirtatious song...
and that is probably the concept behind it.
It's like when Patrick did Mack the Knife.... the point of the song is so far away from what he chose to focus on which was in the lyrics :
as Patrick was "back to skating"
Sometimes, I wonder if the ISU made the right decision... they should have left lyrics out of skating... we wouldn't get Josh Groban and Lara Fabian...
and debates about the meaning of songs...A down use of je suis malade is something we should all be thankful for (as well as the fact it has never been covered by Sam Smith or Ewan Macgregor) We'll just have to wait and see what has been done with the song by Virtue and Moir. But I don't really think you can ever get away from the original intent and meaning of those lyrics as sung by Jagger (which looks like the version they are using, cos of Virtue's sticky out tongue emoji).
It's no Purple Rain.......
It's no Purple Rain.......
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One of the greatest works of English Literature is Paradise Lost. In that work a deeply devout John Milton gave Lucifer words and justification for his actions in the fall because he wanted to show people the folly of not seeing evil in all it's beauty. We are taught to think of evil as ugly. It is not. It is seductive and entrancing and that is the trap. I don't see anything in Sympathy for the Devil that supports Lucifer rather it shows how easy it is to justify and glorify evil. Nothing in that song makes me want to worship Satan. Just because the song doesn't say "Lucifer is evil, don't worship him.. " does not make it a paean to his greatness and majesty. It's meant to be ironic. We, as a modern society, are so driven to find offense in things we lost any sense of irony.
Anyway, I was sort of hoping they were doing a Rolling Stones medley and not Moulin Rouge but I'm willing to go with it for now.
I love the Tango de Roxanne. It gives me the chills. But then I love Tangos.
Anyway, I was sort of hoping they were doing a Rolling Stones medley and not Moulin Rouge but I'm willing to go with it for now.
I love the Tango de Roxanne. It gives me the chills. But then I love Tangos.
I don't agree that it is ironic, and there's nothing textually to support that assertion. Beyond which, the whole of the text actually points outside itself, to the fact that this is the voice of the devil you are hearing; the extra textual assertion of the song isn't that it isn't really meant: it's that you are being spoken to by the devil. If anything that's the opposite of irony.......
I also don't think it bears any comparison with Paradise Lost.
I also don't think it bears any comparison with Paradise Lost.
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Because they don't spell it out like Alanis did? (Mostly erroneously)
I think you have to place the song in it's historical context. The people burning their records and trying to have them banned and blocked from radio weren't Satanists. They were Christians. Who would you be more likely to lean toward if you were the Rolling Stones. When Lennon said they were bigger than Jesus people lost their minds but it was ironically meant.
I'm sorry you can't see why one person using the voice of Satan in an art form (poetry) and another person using Satan's voice in an art form(song) are not comparable. I thought it was pretty straightforward but to each their own.
You have a right to think Sympathy for the Devil is a Satanic song if you want to. I do not. And I don't think this is the place to argue that. But when you throw around terms like Satanic it will get some people's eyebrows flying up.
The words "Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name" are a direct quote from Bulgakov's 'Master and Margarita' (well, the english translation), and the satan in the novel is also talking about meeting historically well known personalities and witnessing/influencing historic events in his speech from the first chapter. Probably you have never read 'Master and Margarita' - if you had you should have understood that it's not about satanic worship. It could be said that there is some heroization of satan in it, but that's just because it shows satan (and also Jesus) as different from how religious fanatics (of course, not just them) usually explain or describe him/it. In short, it shows satan as something not wholly evil, but as something/someone whose job is to make people show their true colors and to teach them a lesson, as well as to make the dead understand their sins and pay for them. If he is tempting people with sin then it's only to test their true worth and uncover their true nature. I am not going deeper into Bulgakov's portrayal of Jesus as it's irrelevant here. In any case, if the direct quote from the novel is already not enough proof that the lyrics to this song were indeed influenced by it, Jagger has also talked about this book in his interviews.
It's strange as quite a lot of people saw their version of 'Carmen' as too sexual or even as vulgar.
Well, I don't think paradise lost bears any comparison with Sympathy for the Devil because the voice of Milton's satan isn't that of Sympathy for the devil; and there's a cogent philosophical dramaturgy that underlies the whole of Paradise Lost, where there isn't that to Sympathy to the devil. Sympathy for the Devil is a straightforward celebration of evil; Paradise Lost is a dramaturgical understanding of what evil is, and Milton's Satan is voiced accordingly, and contextualised within a theological narrative. To justify Sympathy for the Devil as a work of art by calling it ironic, when there is no evidence that it is so, and evidence that runs counter to it being so, is quite simply the manner of Milton's satan, who adopted a similar attitude and advised others to do the same upon being place in hell.
If you want to look at the historical context, then maybe watch Invocation of my Demon Brother, made by Kenneth Anger, staring among other Bobby Beausoleil, who later murdered Gary Hitman as part of Charles Manson's family, Anton Lavey who was already established as the leader of a satanic church, and with a soundtrack by Mick Jagger. Watch that, and then ask yourself if what was going on at that time was "ironic".
I do actually think this is an appropriate place to discuss whether this song is satanic or not, because it relates to two ice skaters choice of music for an Olympic programme.
If you want to look at the historical context, then maybe watch Invocation of my Demon Brother, made by Kenneth Anger, staring among other Bobby Beausoleil, who later murdered Gary Hitman as part of Charles Manson's family, Anton Lavey who was already established as the leader of a satanic church, and with a soundtrack by Mick Jagger. Watch that, and then ask yourself if what was going on at that time was "ironic".
I do actually think this is an appropriate place to discuss whether this song is satanic or not, because it relates to two ice skaters choice of music for an Olympic programme.
oh dear.......
Regarding what you have written about the Master and Margarita, none of this actually relates to the song, which is simply a voice relating horrific acts he committed, whilst woo-wooing (cheering) goes on in the background, whilst telling the audience we know his name. That's satanic. Saying there is an allusion to another work that you think isn't the case means nothing.
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What I meant was this is not the appropriate place: The topic is about next year's programs not about let's call it "problematic content" or music choices. And honestly, I was raised by people who see Satan in everything. Get a cold.. you must have let Satan in the door somehow, someway. I became a lot happier and a lot better Christian when I didn't think that way. Fear of Satan and what Satan may or not do to you will not make you be a good person. Only love does that.
They aren't the same Satan no. Sympathy for the Devil is not Paradise Lost. I never saw Sympathy for the Devil as anything other than ironic. You are entitled to your opinion. I seriously doubt, though, that if V/M picked that song it was because they wanted to celebrate Satan. Barring any other concerns it would almost certainly cost them the gold medal.
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This is the closest I've come to a Satan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Šatan
I always thought it was too bad he never played for the New Jersey Devils.
Skate Canada's high performance camp starts tomorrow so I'm hoping for more program news.
I always thought it was too bad he never played for the New Jersey Devils.
Skate Canada's high performance camp starts tomorrow so I'm hoping for more program news.
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Oh.. and I wanted to add this and I'm thinking I'll get deleted but it's kind of irresistible so I hope the mods will excuse me:
Why are fundamentalists opposed to making love standing up? Because it might lead to dancing. (This was one of most taboo jokes from bible camp and retreats when I was growing up)
Why are fundamentalists opposed to making love standing up? Because it might lead to dancing. (This was one of most taboo jokes from bible camp and retreats when I was growing up)
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This is the closest I've come to a Satan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Šatan
I always thought it was too bad he never played for the New Jersey Devils.
Skate Canada's high performance camp starts tomorrow so I'm hoping for more program news.
I always thought it was a terrific marketing opportunity lost by the Devils. Maybe Satan didn't want it because it was too cliché?
I did not say that it directly relates to the song except the quote. Jagger was clearly inspired by 'Master and Margarita', but he turned it in a different direction - as others have said, the song is ironic, whereas Bulgakov's work is part ironic and part very serious. But I wrote what I wrote simply to explain that 'Master and Margarita' is not about satanic worship - just in case if you would get such an idea, considering that 'Sympathy for the Devil', which, in your opinion, is about satanic worship, was inspired by that book.
But, yes, to me it has always been obvious that the lyrics for 'Sympathy for the Devil' are ironic, making fun of some cliches and people's beliefs about Satan, and of the fact that religious people (again, not everyone) so often blame satan/or some other mystical evil for things that are actually the result of actions of real human beings.
Of course, I am sure that Virtue/Moir's SD idea has nothing to do with any of that.
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