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2017-2018 Programs by Discipline

Krunchii said:
Yuna Kim didn't invent skating to any of those pieces, they're warhorses or some of them are well known on their own. Some of them could have a personal meaning with each skater or maybe they just really like the music and/or felt it would work for a 4 year audience. You're overthinking it.

Also Kaori Sakamoto has changed her SP already to Moonlight Sonata.
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Of course. I'm aware of that. I didn't mean to say she "invented" anything.
What I meant is if you're in Korea and you're watching ladies figure skating and someone is skating to Miss Saigon or Papa Can you hear me, the comparison is inevitable.
Figure skating in South Korea was basically introduced by Kim's success, so Korean audience will remember her programs.
So I was just thinking with that context in mind.
But I get what you're saying. And maybe I am overthinking it indeed.

Anyway, It will be interesting to watch.

I'm so excited for this season!
Except for the Carmen programs... lol

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Krunchii said:
Yuna Kim didn't invent skating to any of those pieces, they're warhorses or some of them are well known on their own. Some of them could have a personal meaning with each skater or maybe they just really like the music and/or felt it would work for a 4 year audience. You're overthinking it.

Also Kaori Sakamoto has changed her SP already to Moonlight Sonata.
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Also, didn't know Sakamoto changed her program... what a pity! I was curious to see how she would skate... But anyway! good luck for her!

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Ice Dance said:
This!

We're talking about a form of music that has existed for generations and is an inherent & vital part of a plethora of countries in the world.

None of which are Great Britain. On the one hand, I can really respect coaches & athletes for finding music that fits the required rhythms without being obvious about it. On the other hand, let's not pretend that every form of Latin music is the same. It is regionally and culturally different throughout Latin America. I can appreciate the ballroom focus within many ice dance programs. I can appreciate the teams that embrace the Latin rhythm with a sense of humor, excitement, fun, sexiness, or sultriness. And I think we DEFINITELY need teams trying to do something with a unique personality that allows their program to stand out and reflect their own relationship on the ice.

But I would likewise have a great deal of respect for teams really tackling the challenge of trying to represent Latin culture authentically.

How many people would be thrilled if someone opted to perform Western Swing or Irish Step Dancing to Latin or Chinese music? There's a disconnect there that's worth discussing.
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They've already addressed your concerns by stating they've used a lot of Latin music in their career. It's their final season and they want to do things differently. Considering what went down with the FD music selection in 2013-2014 I totally get why they want to march to the beat of their own drum (while still respecting the ISU's requirements) in their final season of competitive skating.
 
beatrixkid said:
Of course. I'm aware of that. I didn't mean to say she "invented" anything.
What I meant is if you're in Korea and you're watching ladies figure skating and someone is skating to Miss Saigon or Papa Can you hear me, the comparison is inevitable.
Figure skating in South Korea was basically introduced by Kim's success, so Korean audience will remember her programs.
So I was just thinking with that context in mind.
But I get what you're saying. And maybe I am overthinking it indeed.

Anyway, It will be interesting to watch.

I'm so excited for this season!
Except for the Carmen programs... lol

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I don't compare every warhorse to the warhorses that introduced the music to me first when I watch it, it's more like ah, _____ used this music before too.

Also a lot of those girls are Korean, why wouldn't they look up to a figure skating legend from their own country? Yuna goes to the rink and personally advises these girls regularly. I doubt anyone is going to maliciously compare any of them to Yuna's past skates. Dabin is becoming more well known and of course her mother passed away earlier this summer, the music probably takes on a different meaning for her while Yuna skated to that music as a junior. Also you can have vocals now so a lot of music and arrangement can be different. Mirai Nagasu and Yuna Kim are actually very friendly and were seen laughing together at the Vancouver 2010 gala and before Yuna presented her the bouquet at 2017 4CC, she mouthed "hi" to Mirai. There's nothing to worry about.
 
beatrixkid said:
Of course. I'm aware of that. I didn't mean to say she "invented" anything.
What I meant is if you're in Korea and you're watching ladies figure skating and someone is skating to Miss Saigon or Papa Can you hear me, the comparison is inevitable.
Figure skating in South Korea was basically introduced by Kim's success, so Korean audience will remember her programs.
So I was just thinking with that context in mind.
But I get what you're saying. And maybe I am overthinking it indeed.

Anyway, It will be interesting to watch.

I'm so excited for this season!
Except for the Carmen programs... lol

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Psssst... you forgot Karen Chen's El Tango De Roxanne SP!

My theory is: Moulin Rouge/El Tango De Roxanne has become a sort of COP era of Carmen.
Yuna's El Tango was Katerina's Carmen in very different but nevertheless impressionable and influential ways.
Ewan Mcgregor has become some sort of Pavarotti, while Freddy will always been the Queen. Muse can carry on being Russia's muse, while we hope for some American country/folk/gospel get in the mix soon to balance out the British invasion.
 
OS said:
Psssst... you forgot Karen Chen's El Tango De Roxanne SP!

My theory is: Moulin Rouge/El Tango De Roxanne has become a sort of COP era of Carmen.
Yuna's baby El Tango was Katerina's Carmen in very different but nevertheless impressionable and influential ways.
Ewan Mcgregor has become some sort of Pavarotti, while Freddy will always been the Queen. Muse can carry on being Russia's muse, while we hope for some American country/folk/gospel get in the mix soon to balance out the British invasion.
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Hahahaha! 😂 that's very true!
I totally forgot Chen's program. I've seen a tiny video and I think she chose the exact same music, even the cut she chose is similar, that epic part where Yuna does the final spin, Chen's the same. I saw it on Instagram.
Will she skate at the Olympics? I'm not really sure...
Also, it bothers me so much that skaters these days use actual "songs" with lyrics and everything... I personally enjoy instrumental music better. Not a big fan of the whole pop music thing going on...
Although Wagner's Muse program was nice(I guess Muse is not for Russians only HahahhHah 😂)


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Krunchii said:
I don't compare every warhorse to the warhorses that introduced the music to me first when I watch it, it's more like ah, _____ used this music before too.

Also a lot of those girls are Korean, why wouldn't they look up to a figure skating legend from their own country? Yuna goes to the rink and personally advises these girls regularly. I doubt anyone is going to maliciously compare any of them to Yuna's past skates. Dabin is becoming more well known and of course her mother passed away earlier this summer, the music probably takes on a different meaning for her while Yuna skated to that music as a junior. Also you can have vocals now so a lot of music and arrangement can be different. Mirai Nagasu and Yuna Kim are actually very friendly and were seen laughing together at the Vancouver 2010 gala and before Yuna presented her the bouquet at 2017 4CC, she mouthed "hi" to Mirai. There's nothing to worry about.
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Yes!! I know there's nothing to worry about... I guess my English is not very good... I might be saying things incorrectly and you're understanding something that I didn't meant.

I didn't know her mother passed away... [emoji22] so unfortunate...

Anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding.

I meant what you've said not anything mean.[emoji16]
Hehe.

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Krunchii said:
Piper and Paul's FD seems to be Film Noir themed, the music is Stolen Hearts from an album called "Film Noir: Vintage Cinema Classics"

That track is only 1:04 long so maybe it's a selection from the same album?
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That spin that Piper and Paul do looks insane!
 
CAS said:
Sympathy for the Devil was recorded in a samba rhythm by the RS and Hotel California version they use is a rumba rhythm (and has been used on the ballroom for dancing rhumba) so I don't understand the issue you have with it and think it's rather clever that a team went to so much effort to find something unique. Also understandable they wanted to do something fresh considering how many times in their career they did latin the more traditional ballroom way.
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I find VM's music choices for SD are brilliant. It's so clever and refreshing. People probably don't realize these songs are actually Latin rhythm indeed until they're used for Latin dances. Can you imagine the relief of judges and audience after hundreds of similar pieces and all of a sudden Rocked up Latin rhythm? Well done VM.
 
I like how V/M's choices, which I support and applaud, have now become an attack on other skaters who may try to go for a more classic approach.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I like how V/M's choices, which I support and applaud, have now become an attack on other skaters who may try to go for a more classic approach.
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oh lordy...:laugh:

don't forget that their SD already is already a 'cult program' (pun intended), provoking Satanic correlations to anyone associated with it, which - I predict - will be used too for criticizing the choice alone further, even without any connection to the actual SD performed...After seeing this whole situation with one song alone, I have no doubt it will be used as an argument against Tessa and Scott for upcoming season. Then, what's wrong with pursuing more 'traditional' approach towards Latin SD or programs in general? Everyone have a right to decide and perform to what they consider the best for them, their qualities, capabilities - traditional or not. If the program is good, well-performed, it's just never an issue for me if it's more 'traditional' or more 'experimental'. For me, it's kind of useless to use one team's choice against other teams, but maybe it's just me...
 
NoNameFace said:
oh lordy...:laugh:

don't forget that their SD already is already a 'cult program' (pun intended), provoking Satanic correlations to anyone associated with it, which - I predict - will be used too for criticizing the choice alone further, even without any connection to the actual SD performed...After seeing this whole situation with one song alone, I have no doubt it will be used as an argument against Tessa and Scott for upcoming season. Then, what's wrong with pursuing more 'traditional' approach towards Latin SD or programs in general? Everyone have a right to decide and perform to what they consider the best for them, their qualities, capabilities - traditional or not. If the program is good, well-performed, it's just never an issue for me if it's more 'traditional' or more 'experimental'. For me, it's kind of useless to use one team's choice against other teams, but maybe it's just me...
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You're right in that there's more than enough room to celebrate both so long as the dance teams are successful at what they're trying to achieve.
 
oakandbirch said:
Do you think that when P and C work with a choreographer, they don't participate at all to create new movements? They have already spoken about this.
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I definitely think P/C are involved in the creative process. However, nobody works in a vacuum and creators often are influenced by images and things they've seen in the past. I also don't think P/C view what V/M did in that Tango de Roxanne clip as "borrowing" or "stealing" since that move that P/C did isn't wholly original in ice dance and plus the moves are quite different from what Scott and Tessa did in terms of what the move was, the execution, and the purpose it served.
 
Does David Wilson do choreography for other ice dancers? :think:
 
oakandbirch said:
Do you think that when P and C work with a choreographer, they don't participate at all to create new movements? They have already spoken about this.
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It is the team, many teams in Montreal are looking similar, I think P / C already noticed and I am glad that they are working with external people.
 
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