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bevybean said:
Maybe it is in the minds of the S. Korean skaters, but certain of these warhorses wouldn't necessarily bring Yuna Kim to mind right away for people outside S. Korea. [..] Or maybe it is just me. Or maybe if it is a homage to Yuna it is only supposed to be significant to the S. Korean fans?
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That was my initial line of thought when I made that post.
I always get the impression that if the OG are in Russia, for instance, most people in the audience are Russian. I don't know if that's accurate, but anyway.
So if the OG are in SK then it's only logical to choose music that should resonate well with Korean crowd. As I've said before, Yuna basically brought Figure Skating to SK and she's a huge star there, the biggest, she's like the "national hero" in SK. So everyone knows her programs and I'd even say that everyone LOVES her programs. And I think skaters tend to choose music that they are pretty sure the audience will enjoy.
But again, I don't know if that's a valid perspective. And also not all of these programs will be skated at the OG.

I was so happy when I saw Danse Macabre on the list, but then someone told me here that Sakamoto is not skating to it anymore. :(
I was dying of curiosity to see what she could do with that music!
Also curious about Chen's Tango... :luv17:

And about Nagasu... I've seen her 3As recently and Oh-my-gawd! She's SO ready for this season!!! :cheer:
If she can land those 3As she will make history! I hope she does well with her programs! She usually has nice artistry, I think she chose well her music, it suits her.
Let's see how she'll do! :luv17:
 
icetigger said:
I think the general laudatory statement made by skating to Scheherazade is about that piece of music and how well it can be cut up and edited to make a satisfactorily unified programme with great placement for the jumps, a climactic end, and a sinuey skating skills middle section. Credit for its frequent use goes to Rimsky-Korsakov far above Kwan, Kim or any skater for that matter, in my opinion.

My favourite use of it is Midori Ito. I especially like the climactic end which begins with her taking a skate up to a triple-toe triple-toe the speed of which makes me feel sick, only for her to do the jump so directly at a man in the audience that he looks like he passes out. https://youtu.be/XQaE6Y6Sq5k?t=3m10s
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I think we are all influenced by who we grew up in skating. Michelle Kwan's Scheherezade was cut up by Frank Caroll who used it for his former pupil Linda Fratianne in the 1970s. Blumberg/Seibert used it in 1984. Midori used it in 1991 to incredible effect and I wonder if Kwan's seemingly improvised at 2002 Nationals two split falling leaves was inspired by Ito's two semi-split falling leaves into a double axel. Kwan used it in 2002. Miki Ando used it as a SP in 2007. Yuna Kim did it in 2009 wearing a similar dress to Kwan's and having similar choreography in places. There used to be a Youtube video of a side-by-side comparison to show it. I don't think it was David Wilson and Kim's intention to mimic Kwan but rather pay homage to her idol while making it her own. Evan used it in 2010. Davis/White used it in 2014. I like to pretend they were paying tribute to Blumberg/Seibert with their choice as they were the first big American ice dance team in the ice dance in the Olympics-era, and that program was pretty forward-thinking with many Americans at the time and probably now argue that they were robbed of a medal. Even if it wasn't a tribute, it's fitting that 30 years after Blumberg/Seibert almost medaled at the Olympics that Davis/White became the first American ice dance team to win a gold medal at the Olympics with the same music.

I do think Scheherezade's popularity boomed in the 2000s to now. Before it wasn't an unknown piece, but now it's in serious warhorse territory with no signs of retreating. I give Rimsky-Korsakov and all the figure skating choreographers who realized what a great, dramatic piece it is for skating, and the skaters who brought it to life all the credit. I think everyone has been influential in having this piece enjoy its current popularity.
 
icetigger said:
My favourite use of it is Midori Ito. I especially like the climactic end which begins with her taking a skate up to a triple-toe triple-toe the speed of which makes me feel sick, only for her to do the jump so directly at a man in the audience that he looks like he passes out. https://youtu.be/XQaE6Y6Sq5k?t=3m10s
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Oh my god, I had never noticed this LOL!! That guy in the front row literally falls back in his seat as she jumps toward him.
 
World junior pairs champions Ekaterina ALEXANDROVSKAYA and Harley WINDSOR AUS updated their ISU bios:

SP Paint It Black performed by Hidden Citizen; choreo by A. Pachin, D. OBrien, I. Tchiniaev
FS The Mask (soundtrack); choreo by A. Pachin, D. OBrien, I. Tchiniaev
 
Cappellini/Lanotte
SD: "Kaboom" -Ursula 1000, "Skip to the Beep" -Club des Belugas, "1 to 8".
FD: "La Vita è bella"
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xeyra said:
Cappellini/Lanotte
SD: "Kaboom" -Ursula 1000, "Skip to the Beep" -Club des Belugas, "1 to 8".
FD: "La Vita è bella"
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thanks a lot xeyra for posting:thank:

Well, I think that 'La vita è bella' FD will be teary moment for me - them being so in their best element, with great music for a movie I have a soft spot for. Some would say that this is totally playing it safe, nothing original, innovative or new to be brought to the Ice Dance table, but personally I am glad they're staying in their strong repertoire and with Italian-themed program. I think that aside of being great skaters, fantastic performers, they sort of 'Italianize' every music/program/theme they're doing for me with their vivid personalities. I also hope that SD will be at least equally magnificent like in 2011/12 season when they had my fave SD along with WeaPo:)
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I don't think it's implausible at all that a lot of the skaters who are choosing programs that so happened to be set to music that Yuna once used did have her in mind (especially the Korean skaters) when they made they decided on their programs considering the location of the Olympics and the fact that Kim is an influential skater who shaped a generation for many...or at least their coach/choreographer had her mind...no matter how many other skaters used that music before or who Kim herself was inspired by.

I remember when Worlds was in L.A. in 2009 how many people joked that so many skaters were using music that Kwan once used as a homage to her since L.A. is her hometown, even the lesser-used Kwan pieces were used (Dvorak's Dumky Trio for example). Even if it's not true it's a funny thought. I know Kim definitely was paying homage to Kwan's Schez and did her own great spin on it (and won Worlds!). I just didn't think THAT program would be the program she'd pay homage to, but it's also smart.
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I know--of all of Michelle's programs, Scheherazade is one of the ones I would least expect anyone to pay homage to. East of Eden, Lyra, Black Swan/Dumky, Red Violin, RachTrio/Rach3--those are Michelle's signature pieces.
 
icetigger said:
I think the general laudatory statement made by skating to Scheherazade is about that piece of music and how well it can be cut up and edited to make a satisfactorily unified programme with great placement for the jumps, a climactic end, and a sinuey skating skills middle section. Credit for its frequent use goes to Rimsky-Korsakov far above Kwan, Kim or any skater for that matter, in my opinion.

My favourite use of it is Midori Ito. I especially like the climactic end which begins with her taking a skate up to a triple-toe triple-toe the speed of which makes me feel sick, only for her to do the jump so directly at a man in the audience that he looks like he passes out. https://youtu.be/XQaE6Y6Sq5k?t=3m10s
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Midori's 1989 NHK version is better than the World's version and still, so many years later, the best ladies technical skate of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hupxBUve6Q
 
jenaj said:
Midori's 1989 NHK version is better than the World's version and still, so many years later, the best ladies technical skate of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hupxBUve6Q
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It's amazing how ahead of her time she was! Not only she had a 3A but she had HUGE jumps, all of them. A true legend. :love:
It's been decades since Midori was landing 3As like a boss, I wonder if we're going to see 3As this season in ladies programs. I know Nagasu is planning to get her ticket for the OGM with her 3As and I think she's ready. :hap10:
Is there any other ladies (in the senior level) planning 3As for the Olympic season as well?
 
Can you imagine if forums existed back then? All the debates about who had better jumps, Tonya or Midori. I remember watching Kristi Yamaguchi do an interview some years ago where she noted Midori's jumps but was waxing poetic about Tonya and kept saying nobody had better jumps than her. I think Kristi is sort of a Tonya stan when it comes to skating. IMO, no lady skater has come close to wowing me with their jumps the way Midori and Tonya has despite 7 triples and 3/3s and arm variations becoming standard now. I think Yuna Kim, Julia Sebestyen's Lutz, Tuk's Triple Axel and other jumps which I think were so technically great to watch, Gabby Daleman, and Kaetlyn Osmond among others have been the next best thing in wowing me jump wise.
 
xeyra said:
Cappellini/Lanotte
SD: "Kaboom" -Ursula 1000, "Skip to the Beep" -Club des Belugas, "1 to 8".
FD: "La Vita è bella"
Source
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I appreciate them as people and love their style, but isn't this FD a bit too close to what they've done for the last two seasons? Aren't they afraid in the least that it will not have the wow factor. Just a question and no offence intended to fellow fans.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Can you imagine if forums existed back then? All the debates about who had better jumps, Tonya or Midori. I remember watching Kristi Yamaguchi do an interview some years ago where she noted Midori's jumps but was waxing poetic about Tonya and kept saying nobody had better jumps than her. I think Kristi is sort of a Tonya stan when it comes to skating. IMO, no lady skater has come close to wowing me with their jumps the way Midori and Tonya has despite 7 triples and 3/3s and arm variations becoming standard now. I think Yuna Kim, Julia Sebestyen's Lutz, Tuk's Triple Axel and other jumps which I think were so technically great to watch, Gabby Daleman, and Kaetlyn Osmond among others have been the next best thing in wowing me jump wise.
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I can understand Yamaguchi if she preferred Harding, the leg wrap Ito did might be considered bad by some. It's not like Harding had good air position though.
 
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