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Then you'll be glad to know that their new FD will not be choreographed by Zhuline. Wonder how that will work out for them :scratch3:
No matter what they skate to, they always seem to look the same to me, ha ha
Then you'll be glad to know that their new FD will not be choreographed by Zhuline. Wonder how that will work out for them :scratch3:
Then you'll be glad to know that their new FD will not be choreographed by Zhuline. Wonder how that will work out for them :scratch3:
No matter what they skate to, they always seem to look the same to me, ha ha
And let's look at all the programs for B/S under Zhulin, the only total miss was Birds #2, most of the others were better - although for some that's not saying much. AK was a highlight. Not all programs are bad.
Also, if they do their SD with something close to their EX from the past season, I'm totally fine.
Um, what was Birds #1 then?
I agree that the Fed's wishes and choices are not always what could be a more logic approach. They certainly lack an understanding of 'flexibility' and 'innovation'.
However, B/S is still number 3 in the World Rankings. So, historically speaking, they cannot have been that poorly... Last year's doping story hit them in the middle of a really good run. I very much hope they are professional enough to keep it together, change their skating and work hard. If Zhulin can't get them into the groove for Latin, who can?
But even at their best, competition at the moment is very, very tough.
If anything, at RN last year it was pretty obvious B/S were not really being pushed to run away with the competition. I can't find the breakdown of the scores per judge, but half of them put S/B over B/S, and look at what happened in Euros and Worlds? What would even accomplish pushing a team that's not going to garner better results out of Russia? There's not really a single team in Russia that managed to beat their scores or consistency in competition, unless you want to count Tallinn Trophy, but we all know how that panned that for all the teams competing there - some of them scored 10-15 points less at Euros/Worlds.
What arguments there is to 'push' another team?
Also, just because B/S placed above the other Russians, there's no reason for the other teams to keep making mistakes in competition.
Maybe taking away b/S national title could make them improve! They don't medal at Grand Prix final ever. They are only third at euros. They are only fifth at worlds. The worst showing for a Russian number one team ever! Because now everyone knows b/S lead Russia to its worst preolympic showing ever the federation might get them better coaching
How well did taking away I/Z's chances to make the team - to a big outcry from the fans - did for them? Nothing. If anything, it sent them into a bigger hole. How is pushing S/B inside of Russia making them evolve in their skating, and score better outside? It's doing nothing of the sort, so how can you ask the judges to actually award a title they won fair and square to another undeserving team when it's going to accomplish anything?
And how is Bobrova and Soloviev's fault that this is the worst showing of the Russians ever? I said it before, and I'll say it again, if they are so bad, what does it say about the rest of the teams at the top? How does it compare to S/B getting close to B/S at RN to scoring 20 points away from them at Euros? How does it compare to I/Z or S/K that are both teams lacking the work needed to be out there and represent the country well enough? How does it compare to the teams below them that have zero chance at making a top ten, or worse, advancing to the FD in big championships?
I loathe this notion that the skaters are the ones to be blamed for the state of Russian skating right now, because if anything they have been working their butts off to represent a country that has been neglecting their discipline for a decade.
There are both skater and system problems! It's been said a lot! Even Russia agrees here as they have asked outsiders to help judge technical elements because all Russian tech panels in dance at nationals can't be trusted. B/S share blame. she knows what her posture is like. Is she being told to fix it and isn't? Is fixing her posture not a priority for anyone in Russia? I don't know what skater based and what's system based? It's the mystery!
How well did taking away I/Z's chances to make the team - to a big outcry from the fans - did for them? Nothing. If anything, it sent them into a bigger hole. How is pushing S/B inside of Russia making them evolve in their skating, and score better outside? It's doing nothing of the sort, so how can you ask the judges to actually award a title they won fair and square to another undeserving team when it's going to accomplish anything?
And how is Bobrova and Soloviev's fault that this is the worst showing of the Russians ever? I said it before, and I'll say it again, if they are so bad, what does it say about the rest of the teams at the top? How does it compare to S/B getting close to B/S at RN to scoring 20 points away from them at Euros? How does it compare to I/Z or S/K that are both teams lacking the work needed to be out there and represent the country well enough? How does it compare to the teams below them that have zero chance at making a top ten, or worse, advancing to the FD in big championships?
I loathe this notion that the skaters are the ones to be blamed for the state of Russian skating right now, because if anything they have been working their butts off to represent a country that has been neglecting their discipline for a decade.
Agree, if people don´t want they be scored well and being the number 1 russian team, Who do they think should be russian champion?
How well did taking away I/Z's chances to make the team - to a big outcry from the fans - did for them? Nothing. If anything, it sent them into a bigger hole. How is pushing S/B inside of Russia making them evolve in their skating, and score better outside? It's doing nothing of the sort, so how can you ask the judges to actually award a title they won fair and square to another undeserving team when it's going to accomplish anything?
And how is Bobrova and Soloviev's fault that this is the worst showing of the Russians ever? I said it before, and I'll say it again, if they are so bad, what does it say about the rest of the teams at the top? How does it compare to S/B getting close to B/S at RN to scoring 20 points away from them at Euros? How does it compare to I/Z or S/K that are both teams lacking the work needed to be out there and represent the country well enough? How does it compare to the teams below them that have zero chance at making a top ten, or worse, advancing to the FD in big championships?
I loathe this notion that the skaters are the ones to be blamed for the state of Russian skating right now, because if anything they have been working their butts off to represent a country that has been neglecting their discipline for a decade.
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Well, S/B were clearly the #2 russian team this season, results wise (internationally) - see their GP results, which were consistently better than I/Z. They were not unfairly pushed ahead, they just got what they earned.
As for the 3rd spot, I dont think fed minds that much, and I dont think it matters that much which of the second tier teams (which I/Z and S/K are currently) go to europeans.
I didn't say their #2 spot was unfairly earned. I actually think they are very deserving of their chance to compete at Euros/Worlds - despite their shortcomings you rarely see them going to a competition unprepared. I just found very funny that there was a talk about them winning over B/S in Nats, and clearly some of the judges wanted the same, but when it came for the international panels to judge them the tables turned. They did were closer at Worlds, but in Europeans the difference was of 20 points.
I think that's just typical behavior for the Russian Fed. The judges tried something similar with SK last year and if they hadn't the twizzle mistakes SK would have been probably National Champion. It's what is so frustrating with this Fed. They have 3 teams fighting for the #2 spot that are more or less equal, but instead of letting the skating talk, they choose their darlings of the year and push them while holding others down. I was live in Helsinki and while I like BS, I wasn't very happy about their programs this year. I felt Anna Karenina was so much more emotional and honest than the Chopin/Vivaldi mix they had this year. Anyway, I don't think there is any doubt that they are Russian #1. Regarding my darlings Ruslena OTOH I crave fo news OTOH I fear them, because the next news could be their break up announcement or retirement, depending which rumor people believe.
I think that's just typical behavior for the Russian Fed. The judges tried something similar with SK last year and if they hadn't the twizzle mistakes SK would have been probably National Champion. It's what is so frustrating with this Fed. They have 3 teams fighting for the #2 spot that are more or less equal, but instead of letting the skating talk, they choose their darlings of the year and push them while holding others down. I was live in Helsinki and while I like BS, I wasn't very happy about their programs this year. I felt Anna Karenina was so much more emotional and honest than the Chopin/Vivaldi mix they had this year. Anyway, I don't think there is any doubt that they are Russian #1. Regarding my darlings Ruslena OTOH I crave fo news OTOH I fear them, because the next news could be their break up announcement or retirement, depending which rumor people believe.
And about Ruslena, I feel like they should be vying for the #1, but it's like it never works. It's programs, commitment, preparation, everything rolled up in one thing. If they had ways to stay for one more season, even if it's to have a coaching change or prepare themselves for after the Olympics, they'd have a chance of making the team, but I feel like the doors are closing for the next season.